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Episode 208 - Who's Fascist Anyway? (w/ Cornel West) (Patreon)

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This week, Briahna has an intimate, soulful conversation with one of America's top public intellectuals, and a favorite guest of the pod: Dr. Cornel West. They discussed Biden's "MAGA Republican" speech and the utility of calling voters fascist, whether Biden also qualifies as one, how the left should handle the calls to abolish the FBI, the Mississippi water crisis and more. This is a top 10 all time Bad Faith ep.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

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Anonymous

The US is fascist and has been since at least the end of WW2. Nazi Germany invested in their “worthy” population and had solid social programs. It’s a very easy comparison when you examine the fate of the NSV and the rollback of the New Deal to support the military industry. The victory for the right wing was twofold. They simultaneously laundered money from the public into the private sector while demolishing any trust in mass politics/ effective government intervention. Nazi Germany also had a very specific definition of Jewishness that excluded certain people. Which brings me to the Kennedy civil rights reforms as the qualifier for whether or not the US is fascist. The Germans made all kinds of ethnic and racial exceptions just as long as you towed the political line. So Kennedy/Johnson passing civil rights legislation while branding anyone left of Democrat a foreign agent is absolutely what a fascist government with self preservation instincts would do. Trump era America is unique in the sense that it’s just as fascist but has zero preservation instincts. Literally an in your face smash and grab from the commons to private interests.

Mitchy

Dr. West does express the possibilities of love thy enemy.

Anonymous

Much much respect to Dr. West! I could listen and learn from the good professor for hours! ❤️❤️❤️ When I listen to Biden clips from back in his Senate days, especially, I hear a fascist. When I track what policies he has PUSHED to get through (and the rhetoric he used), I hear a fascist. When I see the policies that Biden refuses (refuses) to ACTUALLY fight for even when the policies are overwhelmingly popular across political affiliations with constituents , I see a fascist. When I see the deception Biden uses to fool his base into believing there was nothing at all he could do and blaming his political “adversaries”, I see a fascist. When I hear and see the way Biden and his cabal treated his true opposite (opposite) in policy, Sanders, the political adversary Biden would vanquish for self interests , I see a fascist.

Anonymous

Wonderful to hear Dr. West speaking with Briahna.

Anonymous

With regard to Mississippi -- Mississippi has the highest proportion of black residents of any state. The Democrats have managed to tip the balance in Georgia, winning the presidential vote and two senate seats there, in the deep South. Yet remarkably, no Democrats are talking about winning Mississippi! Why? Because Mississippi is poor. Georgia is part of the Sun Belt, with rising wealth and a big white-collar class, and Missippi isn't. And the modern Democratic party believes that wealthy white-collar industries and wealthy professionals are their base, and that poor people are, to put it bluntly, "trash." The contrast between Georgia and Mississippi is so very revealing.

Anonymous

Brie, I would really like to ask you a sincere question, I work in the evenings so it is difficult to call in. I listen back to the deBrief though if you would be willing to address this tonight on your show. Do you, inhabiting the professional spaces that you do, feel an overt pressure to not seriously push back on the capture of electoralism in the United States? Do you feel that you cannot seriously raise the historic and contemporary examples from other countries as legitimate methods of dealing with the issues in proportion to their true exigency?

Anonymous
>>91253922

Even from figures as brave and intelligent and learned as Dr. West I feel a huge hesitancy to offer the only strategic solutions that I feel would lead to any real changes. So many people in prison, so many people dying every day denied any number of human rights, in the wealthiest country on earth. Am I wrong to want the left to at least have more radical discussions? I feel immense respect for you and your work when I say these things. I feel like you’re questioning is always leading down this path and keeping the exigency at the forefront. Genuinely curious . Take care

Anonymous

Would have loved to hear Dr. West follow Brie’s question on poison Mississippi water with something like “let me tell you the most effective ways to get arrested disrupting the ruling class” I want someone who has walked the walk to tell us how to best to do it so we can get into good trouble now.

Margaret Okuzumi
>>91256171

The Civil Rights movement was successful because they were laser focused on strategy, not tactics. Arrest actions are the visible tip of the iceberg of a coordinated strategy. If you want to learn more, I can send you an extensive reading/video list, but two good authors to check out are Gene Sharp and George Lakey.

Aaron Slater

West Williamson for Co-President

Margaret Okuzumi

Was moved almost to tears toward the end. There's something called Social Process Triangles that give a way to analyze societies in terms of how focused they are on 1) Politics 2) Economics 3) Culture and if any one of those is too out of whack there are big problems. On the left, I believe that is major weakness is culture and we need to work on shoring up the social aspects of our lives to help us make progress on the other two.

Lydia Maria Child
>>91447326

all the "left" knows how to do is talk about culture. Since as long as I can remember. let's try something else

Anonymous

I really enjoyed that conversation. i thank you both for your dedication to the cause. I could listen to you both for hours. Bri you are an outstanding interviewer and your intelligence is something to behold. I would extend that to Dr. West as well. I love you both and I'll keep the faith.