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Full VIDEO: Dr. West on Fascism, Abolish the FBI, & More (Patreon)

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Does Biden Qualify as a FASCIST? (w/ Cornel West)

This week, Briahna had an intimate, soulful conversation with one of America's top public intellectuals, and a favorite guest of the pod: Dr. Cornel West. They discussed Biden's "MAGA Republican" speech and the utility of calling voters fascist, whether Biden also qualifies as one, how the left should handle the calls to abolish the FBI, the Mississippi water crisis and more. This is a top 10 all time Bad Faith ep. Subscribe to Bad Faith on YouTube to access our full video library. Find Bad Faith on Twitter (@badfaithpod) and Instagram (@badfaithpod). Produced by Armand Aviram.

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Anonymous

Brie, I would really like to ask you a sincere question, I work in the evenings so it is difficult to call in. I listen back to the deBrief though if you would be willing to address this tonight on your show. Do you, inhabiting the professional spaces that you do, feel an overt pressure to not seriously push back on the capture of electoralism in the United States? Do you feel that you cannot seriously raise the historic and contemporary examples from other countries as legitimate methods of dealing with the issues in proportion to their true exigency?

Anonymous
>>91256356

Even from figures as brave and intelligent and learned as Dr. West I feel a huge hesitancy to offer the only strategic solutions that I feel would lead to any real changes. So many people in prison, so many people dying every day denied any number of human rights, in the wealthiest country on earth. Am I wrong to want the left to at least have more radical discussions? I feel immense respect for you and your work when I say these things. I feel like you’re questioning is always leading down this path and keeping the exigency at the forefront. Genuinely curious . Take care

Anonymous

Bri. This is neither here nor there but maybe you will see it here…when Robby uses the argument about European baby formula as an example to be against regulations…the reason European baby formula is so safe is because it’s HIGHLY regulated and inspected. I can’t do it another day. I cant.

Anonymous

I don’t understand why West stops short of calling Biden fascist but calls Trump fascist. I don’t understand why West acts like Trump’s emergence is when he first began seeing fascism, calling it neofascism, when the road was clearly paved for it long before. Not just paced but traveled upon by previously fascist American politicians. It’s tough to see the distinction he is trying to draw.

Jonathan Kadmon
>>91258346

I also totally wish I could make him understand that there can be no "free association" with the level of coercion in our system. People are held hostage by things like health plans and the need to have constant income. It can take weeks to go through the process of leaving one job and starting another and bills come due on the same day, and just being late can lose you everything. If I don't like this prison I'm free to run through a minefield and swim across a moat filled with alligators and snakes, but most people wouldn't call that freedom.

Jonathan Kadmon

I'd push back in the same areas you did. I don't think most of the people who use the term fully know what fascism is, or they'd know biden checks as many boxes as trump if not more. Not all that is authoritarian and oppressive is fascist and vice versa. I think biden was using it as an emotionally charged epithet in precisely the unhelpful way you described in your radar. Furthermore having made a pretty extensive study of fascism, nazism, and that whole era, the clearest theme that emerges is that fascism, nazism, and that whole authoritarian shebang cannot exist and grow and take root without the cruelty of an elite status quo. To a certain degree that's true of any kind of revolution. Happy people don't revolt, or subscribe to extreme or revolutionary ideas, as a general rule.

Anonymous

Dr West is one of a handful of people who I feel encompasses the totality of progressive experience and soul. I usually post something cynical but to do so would be disrespectful to his tireless commitment to all people, everywhere. Thanks again for your patience and understanding, you are a true inspiration for all of us.

Anonymous
>>91256356

I think she obviously knows this but like Dr West is building a slow methodical consensus to not alienate any potential allies. I'm personally not sure we have that kind of time but while we consolidate after Bernie I think it's worth a try. If nothing else it shows no stone was left unturned.

Anonymous

P.S. Dr West references this book and it's been a reading that has deeply informed my views for 20 years. I sadly don't think Mr Gross realized he was writing a "how-to" book. Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America is a book written by Bertram Gross, American social scientist and professor of political science at Hunter College, and published on June 1, 1980 by M. Evans & Company as a 419-page hardback book containing 440 quotations and sources. The book examines the history of fascism and, based on the growth of big business and big government, describes possible political scenarios for a future United States.[1][2][3] According to a 1981 review in the journal Crime and Social Justice, the book is described as "timely" on a subject requiring serious consideration and is about the dangers of fascism, focusing primarily on the United States, but being aware that monopoly capitalism needs to be understood internationally since capitalism "is not a national mode of production".[4 It's still an important read if you don't believe that either party genuinely believes in democracy.]

Anonymous

In protesting against these "excesses" the liberals pursued 2 aims: first by donning a mask of "profound dissatisfaction" with the ruling class, to gain the confidence of the people, and to get them, or part of them, to break away from the Revolution, and this undermine it's strength.

Anonymous

"We must bear in mind that the struggle with the government for partial demands, the winning of partial concessions, are only petty skirmishes with the enemy, petty encounters on the outposts, whereas decisive engagement is still to come. Before us, in all it's strength, stands the enemy's fortress, which is raining shot and shell upon us and mowing down our best fighters.

Nathan Ngumi

A very interesting discussion! Prof. West is a delight to listen to. He has a way of connecting even with people diametrically opposed to his views, a skill that is lacking in most people today.

Anonymous
>>91258346

I know. Working people have choices but when their choices are all the same it doesn’t mean very much. It’s the same way he refuses to understand price fixing. Bri (Brie?) does the Lord’s work. And for an audience that routinely says things like “she clearly works for the DNC.” I understand why she gets down lately.

Anonymous
>>91279905

I’d agree with Jonathan. Actually I don’t think either Biden or Trump are fascists, awful as they are. Fascism requires control over the most violent mechanisms of the state, but the deep state actually hates Trump. To my mind Trump represents a rightwing populism with authoritarian tendencies. Biden is the worst sort of neoliberal. There are certainly fascistic tendencies in the US but we should strive for precision with the term.

Duborah Oya

Salute! Thank U both for this discussion. Dr. West's commitment to Struggle undergirded by a Christian theology can't be denied. Nonetheless, the question as it pertain to Biden and his historic neofacist position was left hanging by any defense of Biden. Dr. West's strong critiques of Obama lays even more heavily on Biden & I look forward to an expanded discussion between U both! Again! Much Appreciation to both Dr. West and Briahna, Our Sista Who Has Taken Up The Baton!