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Episode 211 - Is Covid "Over?" (w/ Dr. Vinay Prasad) (Patreon)

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This week, Briahna speaks to hematologist-oncologist and Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco Vinay Prasad for a leftist's critique of COVID policy & the CDC. Has the left let the issue of pharmaceutical overreach be coopted by the right at its own peril? Is there any logic in young people without risk factors getting COVID boosters? How have the risk/rewards changed as variants have changed and risk of death has declined. Should colleges still be requiring young men who are at relatively high risk of myocarditis to get vaccinated? They talk about all this and more.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands)

Comments

Anonymous

It’s amazing how some of the people in these comments are behaving like this is the bubonic plague and stating blatant lies as statistics. Lol Keep trying to outrun COVID, morons. Humble yourselves, viruses were here before us and will be here long after us.

Anonymous

I appreciate you, Briahna, and thank you for doing episodes on Covid, even if everyone seems to think it is "over" now. But man, Dr. Prasad's toe-dip into why we should all chill about long-Covid was a little disappointing. I'd love to hear more about these studies (how many? what exactly do they say?) re:long Covid and why these cases of long Covid are maybe not legit and are somehow related to previous "anxiety" in their lives. Your point about women's pain and concern being brushed aside by doctors only to find later that they had endometriosis was a great one. This is a problem not only for women, but also for people in other specific communities when they go to the doctor. We don't need any more minimization from medical professionals without any real data to back up that minimization. And Dr. Prasad carefully said he was not trying to say "long-Covid" was not legit- but he basically said just exactly that. Some of us have not yet contracted Covid, and we know it is because we have been N-95 masking and avoiding crowds indoors and taking precautions others are not taking who get it multiple times. The relaxation of any care toward vulnerable people with now effectively zero masking on subways and planes or in classrooms, for example, has forced those of us who can't risk getting serious Covid or long-Covid (for health or financial reasons!) inside even more than we were before. I'd say that is a much greater negative impact on someone's quality of life than everyone dealing with a little masking in certain very public enclosed spaces. And unfortunately, one can not count on N-95 masking by doctors and medical staff within NYC's top hospitals anymore (just surgical, often worn at half-mast). So vulnerable people at their most vulnerable are forced to perhaps get Covid -- and possibly while they are recovering from a necessary surgery that weakens them to Covid even more, leading to a worse case and long-term negative health impacts. Finally: schools. Can we stop acting like we have the Finnish education system? Are kids really so negatively impacted by staying home from the school we publicly offer? I understand if they go to a wonderful private school or some well-funded magnet school, but this is not most kids! Maybe in Silicon Valley? We could have used this opportunity to clean up our indoor air everywhere- that would be a Left position. Here in NYC, we have chronic and severe indoor air quality problems that have nothing to do with Covid! All of this could have been near-eliminated by measures to purify air and ventilate. We already need to do it for mold and other IAQ contaminant reasons. Instead, current mold policy is not enforced, despite new laws, we are encouraged to accept that we will all get Covid 6-7 times and flu and colds. I've had landlord-caused mold issues in 3 separate apartments now, and it sure is difficult to get these issues addressed properly in NYC. Covid policy could have really helped with this!

Anonymous
>>91945232

...and if "everyone's gonna get Covid 6 or 7 times" -and we are expected to expose ourselves to it and face this reality- then we should have free and excellent healthcare at point of service. I don't know anyone who can really afford to get long Covid and lose their job while being bankrupted by medical costs here. How do we feel about our refusal to distribute masks worldwide quickly and vaccines worldwide quickly? This failure - explicitly the vaccines and their patents-- is an aggressive right-wing project because it secures profit potential to the disadvantage of worldwide public health. I think it is dangerous to keep "masking" this intent with a let's get on with life public push by the people who are charged with leading us medically but who stand to profit from giving advice.

Anonymous

I just wish we really took the pandemic as a chance to unilaterally push for medicare for all. My boss’s pushing my coworkers to demask at work cause some folks can’t hear them well. I work in customer service & they’re not giving part time folks sick pay or anything. Idk, I’d just be a lot more amenable to this argument if we actually had effective healthcare infrastructure. Read somewhere about ventilation systems needing an upgrade too, why not take this once in a generation pandemic to make critical public health upgrades? Lifes are being cut short cause of this. My cousin’s mom died, like she’s not coming back. We should really be trying to prevent shit like that. W/e

Cory

Oof this is going to be a tough listen for me.

Cory

I don't think there's anything bad about "platforming" someone who already has a huge platform. You do try to get all sides of an issue with these interviews. That said, I think this guy is mostly wrong and disingenuous.

Anonymous

Awesome, thank you fot this Brie!

Daniel Matera
>>91957343

He has been consistent for years talking about regulatory capture, I think he's on the mark. I also study lung diseases for a living and have looked at the studies he references, I have my disagreements with him regarding some things but I wouldn't write him off by any means.

Sarah Jarrett

I loved this. The outrage is a little dramatic. As a nurse this is the conversation I've been wanting to hear.

Anonymous

Thank you for this really wonderful conversation. I thought you raised some excellent questions. I was really stunned, however, when you expressed your perception that schools were largely open in the fall of 2020. I hope you will do some follow up research on this as you suggested you would. Millions of kids were locked out of schools across the country for almost the entire 2020-2021 school year. I was surprised to hear you say that you lived in NYC at the time and thought the schools were “open.” After much turmoil between the union and DiBlasio during the summer of 2020, NYC schools opened on a limited hybrid schedule in the fall. This meant kids who opted in could go to school on average 2-3 days per week, but in some schools it was only 1 day per week. Also, the union negotiated a rule where each school had to shut down for two weeks if there were 2 cases reported in the entire school. What this meant in effect is that even students who opted in couldn’t go to school most weeks. I have friends whose kids only went to school a handful of days that entire fall. There are 100,000 homeless students in the NYC school system. These kids were stuck in disgusting city shelters, and lost there only daily respite: school! Many more were living In Crowded apartments, being cared for by older siblings who were also trying to do remote school , or by elderly grandparents or neighbors who were at much higher risk for COvId complications than the majority white, younger NYC teacher population. As someone who is so engaged with left politics, I am concerned that you seem to be unaware of how poor kids suffered so much all across the country. Schools from LA to Chicago to Newark were shut down for the entire year. Now is the time we need the left to rally for resources to address the harms done to these kids. I hope you will make an effort to learn more about the pandemic school closures and what kids went through. A great place to start is a book recently published by Anya kamenetz, the former education reporter for NPR, called “The Stolen Year.”

Sky guy

Who is this Sanjay ass bitch. Can’t understand anything their saying

Sky guy
>>91999259

Don’t listen to Julie from moms for liberty. Doesn’t know shit

Anonymous

Is it possible to hear the Call In for this episode? I missed it last night.

Anonymous
>>92030017

If you have the Call-in app, you can listen to passed episodes! This one is up and running right now. Peace.

Anonymous

@Chetzmom many thanks!!

Anonymous

The issue with Prasad is that he can skillfully adjusted his tone and message according to his audience and has no trouble seamlessly blending common sense and scientifically supported positions like "population-wide yearly COVID boosters are a bad idea" with contrarian or ideologically motivated nonsense like "masks don't do anything against COVID". And obviously he can use his elite socioeconomic position and credentials to further his reach. The man is an expert at what he does so having him on without a similarly informed and adroit countervailing voice, for listeners that aren't highly informed, is like leading lambs to the slaughter. On top of that casting Prasad as a left voice on this can only avoid being understood as satire if you include folks like anarcho-capitalists as left standard bearers.