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Episode 233 - Fraud Squad? (w/ Kshama Sawant & Ryan Grim) (Patreon)

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Seattle city councilmember & Socialist Alternative member Kshama Sawant joins Bad Faith to debate the strategy, adopted by most of the squad, to vote for the union-crushing tentative agreement that averted a legal railworkers strike. Ryan Grim has been accused of "running cover" for the squad members' strategy, while Kshama Sawant argued their vote for a union voting bill was a clear betrayal. Is Ryan right to say it made sense for the squad to follow the advice of some union members who wanted them to adopt that strategy? Or is Kshama right to call that "political gaslighting?" Ryan joins the conversation about half an hour in, and it's a hot but productive conversation. you wont want to miss it.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

MYK’L ROCKS

Squabbling over paid sick leave…. Incredible. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Anonymous

My head hurts from listening to this guy not getting it lol. It’s just goes around and around

Sifl

With "Force the Vote", a performative vote on M4A was so important that it was worth starting a huge fight inside the party at the beginning of a hugely important session of congress where Dems were in control. But now, a performative vote on paid leave is a betrayal because it would have been better to have centrist Dems join Republicans to vote to force the union deal and progressive Dems vote against it, which is really just a performative vote as it is no mystery that centrist Dems do not support labor when push comes to shove. Also, had there been some way to avoid a centrist Dem and Republican alliance to force acceptance of the contract, a rail strike during the Xmas season at a time when inflation is already very high would have a huge impact on the economy. With Ukraine, everyone was throwing a fit over the economic impact of sanctions and the war on the working class, but a rail strike would be significantly more devastating economically on the working class. Yet, there is no mention of that issue at all.

Anonymous

What is this 4th Dimensional chess people are playing? A vote to break a strike is not a socialist position no matter who supports it. Enough said.

lin hou

Just finished the callin episode. I think people, hopefully Bri, will understand what happened & who the BMWED IBT Rank & File United & RWU are & the dynamics of what's going on after the story Grim talked about during his call. Wish she'd have some labor reporter on, specifically with union experience, to educate her about the broader union labor movement. I don't think she understands what is happening in legacy unions or our struggles very well. That's no shade to Bri specifically, it is confusing & the American public generally isn't well versed in the specifics or issues. Education of R&F & the public is an ongoing endeavor.

Anonymous
>>97302210

I think most of us understand that union leadership is in bed with the Oligarchs. They may have convinced themselves they doing the best they can for workers, but they're really just protecting themselves. I think that's obvious, seeing that the Rail Workers job conditions have been allowed to deteriorate. Why? So the Rail Barons can make obscene profits? Yes. But it's also a symptom of the demonization - started under St. Reagan - of unions and workers in general. The workers don't believe they have value, and they've been conditioned to take whatever crumbs they're given. Well, this time the Govt has decided they are no better than chattel - worth less than the trains they operate. Biden and the Strike-Breaker Squad is not hiding the fact that Rail, along with airline workers, and prison inmates are legal slaves. You don't have rights in the USA. Oh, but the Ŕail Barons knew they would win cuz they were talking up the increase in stockholder dividends BEFORE Congress pulled the 1926 law out of mothballs.

Anonymous
>>97243457

Defending the Oligarchs and the Strike-Breaker Squad, huh? Bold bullshit indeed. If it's so goddamn vital that the railworkers keep working - WHY didn't Biden sign an executive order for their sick days? WHY didn't the Squad talk about that to the media? Cuz they're little more than paid whores for Capitalists. So they need to STOP referring to themselves as Socialists.

lin hou
>>97302210

They didn't have to pull the 1926 law out of mothballs, they've been negotiating under it's parameters for the last 3 years. That's what I mean about not understanding the fundamental issues involved. The people that asked the squad to vote yes on 7 days are the same people that Ross Grooters, co chair of the RWU, said on the Chapo Trap House episode we're responsible for getting the largest union or one of the largest unions can't exactly remember, involved to vote no on the TA. There's a possibility that the TA would have been passed without their work. These situations are complicated and have a lot of moving parts. I just think a lot of people have their hearts in the right place but aren't that educated on the issues surrounding the union movement. And you're right a lot of that goes back to the demonization of workers and unions started by Reagan.

surrander 2000

..."These situations are complicated and have a lot of moving parts. I just think a lot of people have their hearts in the right place but aren't that educated...." TRANSLATION: You can only understand the viewpoint of people like The Squad from the inside. PDS - Parliamentary Disorientation Syndrome - sets in after months of information overloading, which is sometimes referred to as Data Waterboarding. The subject's worldview begins to shift, seeking a new framing for its experience. This tension is resolved when the subject identifies the source of the overload, the Waterboarder, as her/his new authority. It ain't Chess³, it's just the same ol' Shell Game, repackaged.  It's a Grim business. Kudos to Kshama & Bri for keeping their footing. aw

Anonymous

This is why I give Bad Faith Podcast my money.

Anonymous

Every time I seriously think of formally calling myself a DSA member, I listen to Sawant and then say, “nope.” I don’t think the lines she draws are particularly useful. I can’t help but think how she groups me into an enemy group for having the audacity of having a house (owned by the bank and making me house poor).

Anonymous

Ryan should listen to "working people's podcast : where do the railroad workers go from here" If he wants to "quote railroad workers"