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Episode 243 - Speech Matters (w/ Glenn Greenwald) (Patreon)

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Briahna spoke to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update Glenn Greenwald about the good faith leftist (vs bad faith liberal) critiques of the Twitter Files, censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story, the Brock Bot army and media attacks on the left, the "free speech right" and its apparent indifference to speech restrictions that threaten trans people, and criticism Glenn has gotten that he doesn't push back enough against the right while speaking on their platforms, like the Tucker Carlson show. We also discussed recent events in Brazil, comparisons between Brazil's 1/9 and DC's 1/6, and more.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Brakiachi
>>99942725

It's an economy of scale issue. It seems reasonable to only get food from a certain radius, but when you consider the scale of just how much food is being shipped, the emissions per pound is much lower than what it would be to only source food within 100 miles.

Anonymous
>>99942725

I respectfully disagree...or at least i am respectfully very skeptical. How could this possibly be true? It takes less energy to ship a pound of food 100 miles than it takes to ship a pound of food 1000 miles, or 500 miles or even 101 miles. Also, it is far less efficient to produce food on a large scale than a small scale. Shipping and storage are part of this equation but is the production of inputs (i.e. fertilizer, pesticides etc.) the costs associated with the negative environmental impact of large scale monocultures on ecologocal diversity, environmental contamination from the inputs, the negative impact on peoples' health that come from eating nutritionally sub-par foods...the list goes on and on.

Jared
>>99757178

They’re exactly the same. And the source is not identical with the material.

Jonathan Kadmon

Enjoyed the hell out of it this does not disappoint!

Stephen David Miller

Enjoyed this conversation, but I feel like Glenn made some hand-wavey arguments that I don't really buy when it comes to the Twitter Files. After saying he would personally be uncomfortable with Twitter's control over the information drip he's allowed to consume, he argues that this is the same conundrum for all investigative journalism -- Daniel Ellsberg for instance. But those are completely different situations! A whistleblower leaks information they believe might be damning to the government, you hold the government to the fire based on whatever limited info they've given you, you and the public push for them to respond, with the (hopeful) outcome of even more revelations coming to light. With the Twitter files, the "whistleblower" is the CEO of Twitter; there is no counter incentive, no power you're holding to task, no leverage that they haven't already specifically calculated is OK for you to wield. It's far more murky just on its face.

Stephen David Miller
>>99757178

I guess to summarize: everyone who provides information has an ideology. Not everyone has a vested interest in the very structure being challenged, or the power to influence the shape that challenge takes.

David Levy

Glenn needs to seriously atone for going on stage with Alex Jones for 45 minutes helping Alex launder his lies while continuing to defame the families of the Sandy Hook victims. It would be one thing if Glenn pushed back at all on Alex's bullshit but instead he was complicit in some of the most absolutely monstrous behavior I've ever seen. Glenn should be deeply, deeply ashamed of what he did and frankly I wouldn't be able to live with my actions if it was me helping a sociopath defame the families of murdered children. Until he makes some effort to undo that damage that no one should listen to a goddamn thing that comes from his craven and feckless mouth. Honestly after that I have no respect for Glenn and I see him as a massive harm to the causes he claims to support. You don't get to pick and choose when morality matters to you, you fuck up that bad and never make amends that's a stain that should never go away. Glenn wants to claim that he's spreading his message to other audiences but the stark reality of it is he's just supporting this toxic unreality from con artists that are killing us all and taking a paycheck to do it. It makes me tremendously sad to say that despicable is the only word that comes close to describing Glenn Greenwald at this point given how important his earlier journalistic work is but I don't think it's harsh enough. Going on Fox News and other ideological media is one thing, selling your reputation to back up lies told by a monster which enables said monster to further attack innocent victims is another. If Glenn had any spine left and stood up for the values he claims to hold (like truth for one) it would be one thing but instead he sold his soul for some silver.

Eric

I can’t imagine another instance where GG would defend a billionaire for not releasing the full scope of files

Michelle B

Great episode. I'm sad I missed the Callin because some of these takes on the Twitter Files are pretty ridiculous. The fact that people can't separate extremely problematic connections between Twitter and intelligence agencies and The Democratic party understand that is the extreme overreach that it is and their practices as they blatant violation of free speech that they are seems misguided at best. The argument that Glenn is somehow doing PR for billionaires is so insanely overwhelmingly stupid. Literally every company spreading that narrative is also run by billionaires. The mainstream media is run by billionaires. Media Billionaires are the ones who made Elon Musk the richest man in the world to begin with and if people believe he has more power than the people involved in these other networks, I think they're kidding themselves.They are trashing people like Glenn because he is a threat to entrenched power and overreach of the government. Just the fact that the entire MSM is going after him should tell you his value. Glenn hasn't changed. Liberal ideology has become authoritarian and it is a noticeable shift that should be terrifying to people on the left - they are not our allies. They consider all of the changes we want a threat to them as well. There is a reason these jackals painted Bernie and Corbin as sexist anti-Semites who wanted to murder the rich. How do people forget that? It's pretty shocking to hear people who consider themselves to be on the left carrying water for those attacks. Especially for the person who pretty much single-handedly got Lula out of prison. Yes, Glenn believes in free speech even if it's for people he disagrees with. That's just ideological consistency. It's not a threat to the left. Censorship is the threat to the left and how people don't realize that at this point is so beyond me. Anyone who can look even two steps into the future or the past can see where these arguments being propped up by people who are brainwashed by partisanship getting used against the left either simultaneously or the second power shifts. Just the fact that Elon Musk purchased Twitter and that the deep state will continue to be completely entrenched and interconnected with its activities should make that case for all of us. Yet somehow it doesn't. Someone like Glenn is giving you the information to understand how it works and people are so busy hating on him that they aren't reading it and aren't learning how power works. The thing we all should have learned during this period of time is the fact that this censorship and authoritarian behavior when it comes to the our ability to communicate is exactly as dangerous as the whims of one group of people. It is not fair. It is not balanced. It is not making us safer. And what the Twitter files has revealed about the government using Twitter to promote wars and silence dissent and discussion around things like Lab Leaks should make the threat here pretty crystal clear. It's pretty obvious that a lot of the people writing here have not actually bothered to read through and figure out what they mean. The man has certainly done more for the left worldwide than the squad or any of these people tweeting hate messages at him just in revealing the american-backed coup of Lula. What he's bringing to light in the Brazilian Supreme Court is extremely important. People seem to miss that Lula bean jailed in the first place was a judicial coup. The overreach is insane and dangerous. He is rightly concerned for the country he lives in, the people it has affected and his own safety. The only thing I would say about the idea that having these specific reporters report on these subjects is making the mainstream media less interested... I don't think that's the problem. They hate these people because of the fact that they aren't willing to carry water for the Democratic party or liberal behavior or Russiagate. They wouldn't report on these things because it supports their entrenched power. It shows the Democratic party just completely using the Twitter platform like it's own personal handmaiden. Watching Adam Schiff make requests to ban journalists because he doesn't like their critiques of him? No mainstream platform that covered Russiagate like it was legitimate is going to cover that. Sam Harris on that program basically saying that they are willing to do anything it takes no matter how dishonest to secure their power against perceived threats tells you everything you need to know about that mindset. Their behavior is consistent. Their failure to cover real news and distract people with partisan bickering is consistent. It has nothing to do with Glenn or Matt and they will try to destroy them because of their disent. And I think the reason we don't hear about it on the left is because the mainstream media shuts out leftist voices already, so there's certainly not going to report on them getting censored. But we know about it. We know about Abby. We know about the nafo army and the Clinton and K-Hive people and how toxic it was for us. It's certainly why I pay attention and I do apply personally all of the information to that narrative control. Because just the fact that the intelligence services are controlling, which narratives, raise and sink overall is absolutely about the left. It's about Ukraine and Afghanistan and COVID and the erasing of Bernie during both political campaigns. These are all the same censorship regimes. The right wing media is what calls out the censorship on that side, but since the "left" media - which is definitely not left but actually just more right wing media - supports the suppression of left-wing media for their own financial and narrative interests. So it will never be covered the way it should be. But I do think our independent media groups are doing a good job of covering it and I hope Glenn works hard to highlight that in his new show. I think he has. Hearing him explain to a very different audience to read the Jakarta method and defend Lula as a social democrat as opposed to some kind of crazy communist is extremely powerful stuff. I hope that audience takes his suggestions because more people understanding those subjects is ultimately a win for the left. Oh and electric stoves are still powered by fossil fuel because our power grids are powered by fossil fuel. People should be looking way more closely at how corporations are trying to shift the responsibility for climate change onto individuals for sure. Solar panels are the exact same thing. I have them. I was an early adopter. They are insanely expensive, did not produce the amount that they were supposed to and then the state change the laws and now we don't even get the credits that we were supposed to get. Power companies need to be the ones paying for this transition without a question. The fact that they've shifted that onto individuals is one of the biggest examples of insane privatization schemes I've ever seen. It should have nothing to do with individuals. And if Democrats can be supportive of sending billions and billions of dollars of weapons that will do more damage to the climate than any of us will do in our full lifetimes I really don't want to f**king hear one more of their suggestions that requires people to spend thousands of dollars personally that they don't have instead of changing systems.

Anonymous

Brie! A convo on veganism would be amazing. Most vegans are leftists or liberals but there are some who are libertarian and even some conservatives. I would check out Earthling Ed if you want to have a substantive convo. I think there’s a lot people don’t understand about the vegan philosophy, how things like racism/sexism are really just part of a broader value of life continuum in speciesism etc. and the roots of harm reduction in Dharmic philosophies. And of course the environmental consequences around environmental degradation and human and ecological health.

Anonymous

As anti-establishment leftists we should make the connection that food agendas pushed by corporations and the state are intended to keep the population unhealthy and docile. Beef is the most nutritious protein available to humans. Instead we have to dismantle industrial farming (which is an abomination) and focus on local, sustainable food sourcing. A population that is malnourished (and therefore cognitively impaired) cannot do what is necessary to create a just society.

Anonymous

Glenn says that the most important thing you can do for the environment is to not eat meat but i have to disagree. I think its much more impactful to try to not eat any food that wasnt grown within 100 miles of where you live regardless of whether or not you eat meat or not.

Anonymous

Amazing episode btw