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Episode 247 - Vaush Debate Part II: We Have Power, Actually (Patreon)

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Part two of last week's conversation with popular Twitch streamer Vaush is here. During the first half, we have some really promising simpatico about doomerism on the left, before we get derailed in the FTV quagmire again. Is Brie right to want some accountability from left media figures who thwarted one of the few opportunities for the left to leverage real power over the last few years? Or is there a good faith reason to want to let it go?

Listen to part one here.

Subscribe to Bad Faith on YouTube for video of this episode. Find Bad Faith on Twitter (@badfaithpod) and Instagram (@badfaithpod).

Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Anonymous

With all due respect, I don't know anything about Vaush. However, after listening to the first 2 of these I just can't help but view Vaush has this like, terminally online leftist. Does anyone know if he's even done any groundwork? Also, I strongly dislike the way he speaks. It's seems overwhelmingly patronizing although it's not explicit. Idk...he's giving elitist online leftist vibes. The exact opposite of a a coalition builder tbh

Anonymous

The Democrat's sole purpose is to take energy and resources from the Left. Period. They made that clear with what they did to Bernie Sanders, they would rather Trump than real progress because ultimately the goal is to consolidate money and power into the elites. With that as a guide (let's stop pretending that the DNC hasn't been failing on purpose for 40ish years), the logical conclusion to our future is eventual climate catastrophe that will be the pretext to fascism. When that happens and we don't have a movement that has been well funded with trained people, they'll round up the political opposition and the new world order will be impossible to fight against (think of the French underground leading up to the Nazi take over but now they have an algorithm that flags the people who are capable of fighting back). Therefore, like the Black Panther Party, we need to build a parallel government that ACTUALLY meaningfully delivers material difference for the poor - up to the middle class (people need to know that they aren't expected to be poor forever). Then a commitment from leadership personally to donate all money earned after hitting the average middle class wages to the Panther Party (Panther Party is for lack of a better term that has historical context for a parallel political government). The leadership would commit to a broader set of goals (M4A, anti war foreign policy, trade agreements that are worker centric, etc) that are not negotiable to the duopoly. Continue to use the resources of the PP to hire doctors, educators, lawyers, security and financial services for Party members and the poor. Also use the resources to buy housing/support business and the very last thing is to support electoral politics in so much as boots on the ground or fund raising from outside of the PP (Panther Party)for candidates who have our same stated goals with an explicit understanding that if they end up being traitors (by direct means or omission) we will use our resources to make their lives very uncomfortable (not violence but paid protestors, lawsuits, basically act like a hostile corporation). Anything short of that promotes the false hope that electoral politics can be changed to help the working class. Electoralism's last chance was Bernie Sanders and that failed, the inevitable climate wars are coming. Unless we start organizing now and use our time, $ and souls in pursuit of an organization that is going to support us when the System collapses we will find ourselves without the ability to survive to fight back. The system works, let's stop supporting it. Panther Party

Anonymous
>>100771640

Your assessment is 100% correct. He's a terminally online elitist scold who happens to take positions in line with NATO, the FBI, the Democratic Party, and big pharma. He doesn't want to build coalitions; he just wants to be the winner of a debate from his bedroom.

Adam Gregus
>>100771640

While the second part was much better in this regard, I constantly felt like political discourse is nothing more than competitive debating to him and it was really tiresome. To give credit where credit is due though, he did raise 300 thousand dollars for Palestinian aid during a livestream, I believe last year, so even if that was a stunt to bolster his online presence, it led to some genuine good.

Rentaro Matsukata

He's right that most Liberals are unaware blind followers, but his condescension is totally unwarranted and actually seems more like projection. Whenever I show Liberals evidence of democrat wrong doing most people are either shocked and feel betrayed by the media, or they go into denial. Then they return to their WaPo and NYT safety blanket and forget I showed them anything because it doesn't fit their conception of the world. Vaush should realize he's a part of the problem. There are many other ways fascists can take over. The status quo only lulls people in power into a false sense of security

Anonymous

Vaush starts out arguing in favor of being a cuck, then realizes he doesn't want to be a cuck and shifts his position into basically conceding to brie except splitting hairs to pretend she's not right.

Anonymous

Vaush is SSSSOOO terrified by repubs and thinks dems are less harmful. What is this world he's living in?!?!?

Anonymous

Oh wow, close to the 1hr mark and vaush has now completely come over to brie's side. Well done, brie, you've more or less won the guy over to a large degree.

Anonymous

Whoa...few minutes later and now being anti-war is far right...it's becoming hard to see vaush as anything other than a useless moron!!!

Anonymous

Omg, 'don't force the vote because media will be critical!!!'

Anonymous
>>100901997

THERE IS NOOOO PATH TO M4A OTHER THAN A DIRECT CONFRONTATION WITH MSNBC!!!

Anonymous
>>100901575

Can you explain to me how letting Russia invade Europe is good for America?

Anonymous
>>100901575

The US invaded Iraq twice, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Grenada, Panama, Yugoslavia, and intervened pretty heavily in countless other places. The rest of the world just 'let' us and no one claimed we were hell bent on conquering an entire continent after any of those moves.

James H

Interesting he criticizes Jimmy Dore for never wanting to piss off Republicans, when Vaush is a total bootloader for mainstream centrist libs!

Andrew Van Ness

I have never heard of this person. But he is an idiot. How can’t he see that we need to hold the Squad accountable for their past inactions? Especially in light of this recent move by the republicans. Brie isn’t stuck on force the vote, she just points it out because it’s the most obvious example of their failures to follow through on the promises they made. How else are we supposed to treat our politicians?