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Full Video: "I'll Burn That Bridge" w/ Norm Finkelstein (Patreon)

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2023-02-06 22:14:03
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I'll Burn That Bridge When I Get to It (w/ Norman Finkelstein) - FULL VIDEO

Professor and iconoclast Norman Finkelstein's long awaited book is finally out! He and Briahna discussed chapters on Ta-Nehisi Coates & Kimberlé Crenshaw in the wake of news that those authors and others have been omitted from the African American AP curriculum. Does the cancel culture critic have a defense of these figures being canceled despite his substantive agreement with them? Also, what does Norman, a staunch advocate of Palestinian rights, make of Ilhan Omar's ejection from the Foreign Affairs committee? The critic of identity politics weighs in on the choice to defend Ilhan as "a black woman." Finally, Norman weighs in on the Bernie movement, the future of electoralism, and everyone's favorite topic -- Marianne 2024.

Comments

Jared

Love you Briahna. Norm is correct about the squad.

Jared

Also Brie, notice how you are sympathetic with that presentation on MSNBC and you sounded like you would take the same position as they did. Ask yourself why MSNBC, a corrupt warhawking propaganda corporation, would be so strongly favorable toward something and using their valuable capital airtime to spread that message to their audience. I'm not saying that they can't occasionally get something right, but when you find yourself on the same side as the people who routinely sell war and sanctions and death to brown people in the middle east, it's worth thinking a little more about the subject

Lydia Maria Child

He's such a hard ass...love it. Something was lost in the generation that followed his.

Anonymous

What Finkelstein is describing though isn't really intersectionality, (intersectionality in my view simply being a way to shoehorn [mostly] white woman, and, secondarily, non-ADOS into the social cache of having matriculated into an "Americanness" via Slavery and Jim Crow afterward). But I digress; the point is: Finkelstein admits there's "a recognition that class did not totally encompass certain kinds of oppression" when discussing the political urgency of the Jews, but somehow imagines it's "sinister" to critique Bernie's deficit of ADOS specific policy, i.e. reparations. Class politics doesn't address the economic position that ADOS is in as a result of ethnically targeted exclusion of, and theft from, that particularly group. That is to say, the racial wealth gap between ADOS and White America; the mass incarceration of ADOS black men; predatory lending to ADOS borrowers, are not simply incidental to the calcification of wealth to the top 1%, any more than the Holocaust is incidental to a prosperous 1940's Germany. That said, identity politics will fill the void of actual policy, especially where name recognition is at play. Had Bernie understood this, he wouldn't have been out flanked by Clyburn's fish-fry.

Anonymous

Bri, why are you out here on The Hill saying Kamala “isn’t that bad”?

Anonymous

A great discussion. I agree with Bri that there is a difference between the idea of intersectionality and how it is used. We are currently being propagandized into culture wars that pit our Identities against one another. The focus on identity politics is a dangerous trajectory where the powerless fight each other rather than those who stand on our necks. There are times when different “identities” need to be elevated in discourse but they should never be removed from a larger structural analysis.

Warm Machine

"Get Norm Finkelstein to not relate any talk about the left to political correctness" challenge impossible.

Anonymous

This was a wonderful conversation. Thanks Bri!

Ellen Oxfeld

Wonderful discussion from both of you and a model of how to discuss. Bri — have you ever thought of inviting Barbara and Karen Fields? It would be an interesting follow up to some of the issues discussed here …(p.s. it is still an outrage that Professor Finklestein didn’t get tenure)!

Anonymous

This is so good, I hate to see it behind a paywall. Consider liberating this interview for the cause. Thanks for this, love Finkelstein.

Nathan Ngumi

Very interesting... It is no longer truth that is contested. It is now reality. On the Right the observation is that > 90% of American university faculty countrywide skew Left and support excesses of progressive wokeness. A conference on 'academic freedom in peril' held in Stanford Business School in November 2022 (see videos on YouTube) featured the intellectual who's who of the Right and to a person they made presentations on the shrinking freedom academics have even in STEM thanks to the Far Left's activism in these institutions. A flashpoint was the public health policy during the covid pandemic and how high-profile critics of masking, lockdowns and vaccine mandates (who happened to be mostly on the Right though not exclusively) were silenced by big tech acting on the behest of the government and big pharma interests. These were accusations that were later corroborated by the Twitter Files expose. On the Left the observation is the opposite. Universities are becoming more 'right wing' and are enabling the ruling class to shift the country towards 'fascism' eg in Florida Gov Ron DeSantis clamping down on Disney and Critical Race Theory taught in schools, instituting a statewide commemoration of 'victims of communism', goading irate parents to storm school board meetings over issues like drag queen shows for little kids, book bannings and burnings, etc. Well, which side is standing on the truth?

Jesse Vanderhaeghe

Great interview! I am in a discussion with a friend about this now and I am wondering if anyone in the community has any of the source clips, articles, t.v. appearances that NF mentions in his critique. Specifically looking for clips involving or articles quoting Crenshaw, Kendi, or Davis? Solidarity.