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Briahna speaks to Kamau Franklin, founder of Community Movement Builders and a long-time organizer/attorney/writer in Atlanta who has been working against Cop City and around policing broadly, and Matthew Clair, a Stanford professor of sociology with a focus on how race and class inequalities in the criminal legal system are embedded in and reproduced through the attorney-client relationship. The panel discusses the proposed cop training development known as Cop City, the recent murder of Cop City protester Manuel "Tortuguita" Páez Terán by the police, the murder of Tyre Nichols and debates over whether "racism" could have played a role in the killing of a black man by black police officers. The panel then debated the utility of framing criminal justice reform as a "black" issue, the failures of the Biden administration's criminal justice efforts, and the role black mayors play in affirming the status quo.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

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Jonathan Kadmon

Fabulous and fascinating conversation. Some of the things said in the first half of the episode put me in mind of this book by Martin Gilens, the co-author of that study from 2014 showing no correlation between what people want and how congress votes, but high correlation between wealthy and corporate interests and same. https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/W/bo3633527.html "Why Americans Hate Welfare". It's from more than 20 years ago but tackles similar topics and it holds up.