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Briahna is joined by Joel Rubin, Bernie's 2020 director of Jewish outreach and founding political director of J Street, to talk about Netanyahu's power grab in Israel, the historic street protests there against the far right, whether a two state solution is still viable, and how the left can figure out how to talk about Israel and Palestinian rights. No gotchas here.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Christopher E Musgrave

Being a white supremacist is traumatizing? Oh darn, feel so bad for you guys.

Cclear

💯 He would be my go to for Israel Palestine as well. He's also a very funny and nice guy

Jon

Brie, I'm outraged that you are covering things that I, personally, don't think are important. Are you not aware that your role is to recite back to me my own perfectly correct, true leftist beliefs?

Cclear

Who said covering Israel Palestine isn't important? I haven't listened to the entire episode yet so I'm waiting to see what pushback she offers to his racist liberal Zionism

Jon

Thank you for your thoughtful corrective, Christopher. You’ve convinced me that Brie was wrong to platform a Jewish person when discussing newsworthy political developments within the Israeli state. Well done, comrade.

Jonathan Kadmon

Bro she's got Jewish people in her callin audience that know more than this chucklehead does. You're out of your depth here.

Jon

Being serious, you’re probably right Jonathan. I’m more just sick of people who come to podcasts etc with zero curiosity and seem to want to hear their pet issues rehashed and reiterated back to them

Cclear

Jonathan K is right. He and Neoliberal Tears are both Jewish for example and they both have infinitely superior views on the issue. Like I said, I don't have an issue with having him on the show as long as there's pushback. I haven't listened to whole thing yet

Adam Brosnan

Meh, not a fan of him. However, I assume that was the intention of having him on. Anyway, I have a right-wing Israeli student (I am teaching English remotely) who is an officer in the IDF. This was an incredibly helpful interview for me to frame her next class (her English is great and we just debate and discuss topical/historical issues). Thanks. Edit: he is very knowledgeable though.

Anonymous

I was interested, I was following everything he was talking about. Then he said something like, if Israel's not careful, they COULD become, in the FUTURE, an Apartheid State. Ummm.... Totally lost me. He's a Marianne-style pro- Apartheid shit. What's my reason? He thinks things are just difficult for Palestinians and NOT that they're living in an Open Air Prison! Jeebus fucking christ. How BLIND are you?!? I'm wondering what his definition of an Apartheid state is?

Anonymous

People of Israel are fighting for the genocide of Palestinians. You'd think they would have had enough of leaders who claim one People is pure and worthy of life & liberty, while other people should be exterminated.

Cclear

You have to be willingly ignorant to not think Israel is an apartheid state at this point. It always was but especially after the nation state law. How can anybody deny it? Even Peter Beinart, probably one of the top liberal Zionists in the country, has finally come around. I think Joel did have good analysis of internal Israeli dynamics

Christopher E Musgrave

I appreciate the value of picking apart an issue with detail and precision and speaking from a place of experience. That said, racism just aint that deep fam. Those shitheads that watch Gaza getting bombed from their folding chairs are the same shitheads that cheered from their couches in Ohio watching Baghdad get bombed.

Anonymous

This was a weak guest, when he started babbling about a two state solution I knew he was not serious, just a kinder-gentler Zionist propagandist.

Anonymous

What is this guy talking about at the 44 min mark? Talking about having a good two state solution and soon it won't be possible. HUH? This IS the two state solution bud, apartheid is a feature not a bug

Anonymous

Referring to Israel as a "democracy" repeatedly and nonsense about a "two state solution" and suggesting that Israel might be an "Apartheid state in the future"??? Wow. Just wow. Utter drivel. Apartheid Israel is now. A two state solution is not a valid possibility (and never was, it was inly ever a Palestinian compromise position). Apartheid Israel is not a democracy if you are a Palestinian living under Israeli rule. Amazing to listen to this nonsense on Bad Faith when in the past Bad Faith has covered the topic so well in the past (Marc Lamont-Hill episode?). Never heard of the guest before and hope I never catch him on a podcast ever again!