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J Street View (w/ Joel Rubin) - FULL VIDEO

Briahna is joined by Joel Rubin, Bernie's 2020 director of Jewish outreach and founding political director of J Street, to talk about Netanyahu's power grab in Israel, the historic street protests there against the far right, whether a two state solution is still viable, and how the left can figure out how to talk about Israel and Palestinian rights. No gotchas here.

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Anonymous

The inner workings of an apartheid state. Who cares?

Anonymous
>>105556366

Israel authorised on Sunday the setting up of a national guard under far-right security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, who has said it would focus on Arab unrest, while political rivals accused him of setting up a sectarian "militia".

Cclear

This is disgusting: "it's a really exciting moment for those of us in the United States who support Israel and care about Israel for many reasons, one of which is that it's a democracy and the shared values". Democracy? This is like people getting excited that white Afrikaners in South Africa during apartheid were protesting for internal white settler issues, while the native Africans were still treated like crap and not mentioned in the protests at all. What a joke. This is some racist bullshit

Cclear

J Street has no credibility with anyone in the Pro Palestine community. They do not support boycotting Israel or putting conditions on American aid. Having someone from Jewish Voice for Peace would be great. Also Ali Abunimah and Philip Weiss. As'ad Abu Khalil. They'd all tell a very different, actually anti colonial story, than this man. Zionism is racism

Anonymous

Israel is not really an apartheid state, it is a slow motion genocide. The long term plan clearly does not include any role or place for Palestinians. It has always seemed obvious to me that the end goal is annexation by a thousand cuts. Maintaining a state of perpetual unrest allows continuous expansion under the guise of "security".

Anonymous

Joel is well spoken, but it's worth noting J Street sponsored a trip for Katie Porter to meet Netanyahu not even two weeks ago. The organization he cofounded has been playing all sides for a long time. ("15 Democratic House members traveled to Israel as part of a delegation sponsored by the liberal Zionist group J Street... Porter told JI’s Matthew Kassel that Netanyahu was “extremely generous both with his time and with his thoughts” and that the J Street group was “really able to have an interactive dialogue with him" https://mondoweiss.net/2023/03/rep-katie-porter-pushed-for-dem-delegation-to-meet-with-netanyahu-says-she-was-extremely-impressed/)

Cclear
>>105567180

Anyone who's advocating for something different than giving Palestinians equal rights within the one state they already live in (controlled by Israel) is part of the problem. Enough with the two state delusion

Anonymous

I'm not sure that Palestinians will accept a two-state solution unless Palestinian refugees are allowed back within the borders of present-day Israel. And most Israelis don't want a right to return because then it would mean that Israel's Jewish majority would be threatened. I think some leftists would like a binational one-state solution, but it's hard to see how Jewish Israelis would feel inclined to that in the short-term, partly due to fears of persecution by an Arab majority. In the meantime, Israel has moved sufficiently to the right (in part due to hopelessness about peace with Palestinians) that stepping away from apartheid/occupation seems unlikely, and the right-wing will argue that it's necessary to prevent terror attacks. I hope these challenging details can be discussed in a future episode.

Anonymous

Israel is a theocracy, even less of a democracy than we are which ain't much.

Cclear
>>105579447

Just like in South Africa or any other oppressive situation, outside and internal pressure needs to be put on Israel for them to do the right thing. If we are just going by what the majority of Israeli Jews want, Palestinians will never have a day of freedom or anything close to justice for infinity. Did we care about what the slave owners wanted? Did we care about what Jim Crow supporters wanted? Sometimes you have to force people to do the right thing against their will

Anonymous
>>105579447

I'm supportive of outside pressure (at least by withdrawing military aid and through public statements), but I also think we should reflect on when/how it's appropriate for a superpower to pressure other countries. Also, I think we should be sensitive both to fears of persecution and also to desires for the existence of a Jewish nation that many Jewish people across the world feel.

Anonymous

Just signed up, Peace and ❤️

Anonymous
>>105579447

Daniel, I'm sorry, but that desire cannot be honored at the expense of the Palestinian people. Further this paranoia is part of the problem. It fuels the racism that permeates Israeli society. J Street needs to give up on the two-state solution and focus their efforts on destroying Zionism and promoting tolerance. Not that any of this is easy. I did appreciate hearing this divergent POV and it was interesting to hear Rubin talk about what he hopes will arise from the current unrest.

Christopher E Musgrave

J Street reminds me a lot of Jon Stewart's stance on US imperialism. It made a kind of sense in it's time, but now it's a compromise between two sides that have both moved on. Stewart exists now to praise Zelenskyy like CNN does but with a GenXer grandpa vibe and J Street exists to remind us what one of the hipper Clinton aides would be saying if we pulled one out of the Futurama cryogenic tubes.

Christopher E Musgrave
>>105557568

Exciting because once this movement flickers out they can tell themselves there's a hypothetical "Good Israel" that wouldn't be doing whatever their latest atrocity is

Drew McGill
>>105567180

Is there a good segment on YouTube or a book that you could recommend that argues against the two state solution in a good faith way? I’m intrigued with what you say and made me think I don’t know what I’m advocating for with the two state solution which I always thought was the way.

Anonymous

Bri can you talk about tennesse?