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Gurometer: Destiny (Patreon)

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2024-04-25 00:32:01
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2026-06
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The second time's the charm!

We put Destiny through the Gurometer and used the opportunity to make some overdue recalibrations. The gurometer is an ever-evolving high-precision instrument, so some maintenance is required from time to time. Agree with us, disagree, laugh, cry, scream, do what you must... and produce your own score if you feel like it!

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Mutated_Cuhnt

New Paypig here, specifically for Destiny content (PBUH). Great coverage. You missed that he actually does have a supplement sponsor, he has a GorillaMind promocode for 10% off, understable considering there's 10+ years of lore to cover. Also I believe the guy who helped found that supplement brand, Derek (moreplatesmoredates), would be an interesting online personality/guru to cover one day, especially since its an example of what happens when the Guru stops posting/being active. He also has a very active reddit community, but its taken an awfully strange turn since he stopped making regular content.

Anna J

Scoring D lower than Hasan on the cult dynamics metric? C'mon now...

Anna J

Enjoying the lively discussion/debate between Matt and Chris about how the metrics themselves should be interpreted though!

Cesare

I think Destiny really challenged the Gurometer. He really showed the distinction between intent and outward manifestation. He has so many of the characteristics of a guru, but because he seems to primarily act in good faith it's super hard to categorize him. But such is the limit of any scientific metric, it's extremely difficult to reduce super complex topics into easily identified and quantified measurements. And as a Gen Xer, I totally agree with the boomer Matt that I don't understand the concept of streaming, like at all. Whatever floats their boat though.

Sam Mountjoy

One of destiny's best debate rounds was with a guy called Atheen. Atheen claimed to have unified quantum mechanics and Einsteinian physics while using extremely guru language. You guys would probably score this man sooo high on the gurometer.

Ymirsdreams

I've not listened yet, so I am in an ideal position to comment: a consistent trait of a personality or behavioural tendency that has 'overly' (as in, causes conflict and potentially inhibits daily functioning) narcissistic traits is a refusal to 'code switch'. With Destiny his refusal to 'code switch' doesn't seem to be an autistic/aspergic 'blindness' to the responses of others, nor a schizotypal style divergence in priorities. He presents it as a point of principle, under the rubric of 'being authentic', but the level of aggressiveness associated with it, and as it clearly causes both him and others discomfort and even distress, it might be classed as a dysfunctional narcissistic trait. [Edit: he even calls this out with mock assertions that he does 'code switch', as with his 'do you know how hard it is for me to talk to you people on the same level' rant. Glorifying one's flaws is also a narcissistic trait: 'oh I have a terrible temper', etc. Obviously I'm not saying he has NPD, he has just displayed some behaviours in the content DtG covered, and they might be one time things and off comments. I've said worse trying to unscrew jar lids.]

Chomagerider

Ok, if you decode Derek, let's pleeeaaase throw in the Liver King for good measure. That'll finally be a candidate for which I'll agree on a 10 for profiteering 😁 Those fitfluencers are definitely an interesting bunch. Their followers are often quite cultish.

teixeira

>he has merch lies /s

Reinert

Neat nod to Graham Hancock there, are you planning on covering him at some point?

Anonymous ethicist, not a serial killer at all, just asking questions.

Definitely feels like the gurometer might need some refinement to include the polymathic tendencies, because I think covering every sort of topic is often pretty bad, like Sam Harris gets into a lot of shit for talking about everything without doing due diligence, same with Rogan, it's definitely a guruesqe feature, even if destiny does it better than most.

SHOUNAK SARKAR

Loved the banter and back & forth between you two Chris and Matt about the different aspects of the gurometer. On the grievance mongering, I’m firmly in Chris’ camp here. Gurus / pundits who spend half their time bringing up old feuds against other people, their grievances, constantly accusing others of bad faith & intellectual dishonesty (hello Sam Harris) are instant turnoffs for me. They do deserve a higher rating because of that. Matt’s definition is too politically valenced. If you spend half / most your time whining about grievances (regardless of political affiliation), you are a grievance monger period. There is a distinction here btw. You do have a right to bring up legitimate grievances provided you have been genuinely misrepresented or lied about. That’s different. But if that becomes your go to thing for every criticism or disagreement, you are a grievance monger.

Tomek Krzesiński

I noticed, Chris, Destiny's fans are fiercely arguing with you in favor of murdering the kid and his dad. I think if you spend time debating that topic with various people from the DGG community you might end up bumping up the Cultishness rating a bit. It's not a minority as well. 2 reddit polls showed the support for the murder is 30-40% among fans. Some of it might be trolling, but I'm guessing most of it is genuine. Statistically, given how huge the fanbase is, quite a few of those people will lose their jobs unfairly at some point. Destiny admitted he got a permit for a gun, had the streets mapped out and it was 'scary' how close he was to actually doing it.

Cursive Sheet Music

When you guys ask him about wanting to get away with murder, It may be relevant to check out his Alex O'Connor interview about ethics. It was the only thing I saw of him before this and I'll do him a favour of assuming it's his worst performance, but I felt pretty dismissive of him after it lol. I don't think its straw-manning to say he essentially put forward a kind of moral nihilism that Alex pretty easily pointed out the thoughtlessness of.

i'm dissLexick

Favourite part was when you almost called him Graham hungcock

PaperMache7

Destiny's audience demographic is around early-mid twenties for the info, there's not that many teenagers.

Exai

Just want to throw in my two dollars a month on the whole pile of streamers being a bit like strippers. Shake it, baby!

A Nyelvészet A Legjobb

I really liked hearing your guys's perspectives on Destiny and I thought your judgments were pretty fair (I say this as a fan of his)*. I wish you guys the best! *could be my cultish biases though so... take this with a grain of salt ;)

David Noble

I think I agree with the Destiny score, he's not much of a Guru. Hearing your Hasan Piker score however, 66% is pretty nuts. I'd put him on par with Destiny, I think you imagined a lot of the moral grandstanding and galaxy-brainedness due to your dislike of him and some incorrect presumptions about his political ideology.