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Interview with Flint Dibble on Alternative Archaeology (Patreon)

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2024-05-01 22:32:27
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This is an advance release of our interview with archaeologist Flint Dibble, discussing his recent appearance on Joe Rogan to debate ancient civilizations with Graham Hancock and broader issues relating to science communication and responding to 'alternative' archaeology. If you notice any audio issues, please let us know, and we will fix them before the release on the main feed!

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Flint on X

Joe Rogan Experience #2136 - Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble

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Marius Rutkauskas

Oh boy! This is great! You guys are putting top tier content recently.

Sam Macleod

I knew you guys were shills. But I wouldn't think you'd go as low as interviewing Big Archeolgy itself. Shame.

Anna J

Yesss thank you! Great topic!

DavenPsych

Dibble’s point about “context collapse” is very interesting. I haven’t heard that term before but it seems a really apt description of the online landscape.

Linda Sears

It was nice to hear Flint explain that expertise means having investigated hundreds of different sites. It really feels like people like Rogan just don’t understand what it means to have expertise in a field or subject, even though he would be able to tell if someone knew what they were talking about (or not) if the conversation was about mixed martial arts.

Tim Tripp

Boy Flint sure has a good strategy for dealing with pseudoscience.

Kelley

Love that you guys mentioned the YouTuber Atun-Shei Films. I thought his idea about getting more specialists out there to teach people about niche topics was great. His “Checkmate Lincolnites!” series is fantastic in case anyone here hasn’t seen it.

Ad Tastic

Watched the full 5hrs of Rogan and I have to say, this guy did a better job of science communication than Anthony Faucci

Jean-François Melançon

Dibble's prebunking approach was really effective and it was great to hear him discuss it with you. There is a small audio glitch at around 48 minutes after Flint stops talking.

Roscoe 112

Can someone please make a T-shirt that says, "Archeology: Just Look at It!"

JP

I’ve read about putative ritual behavior in various species of baboons, which surely gave ancient Egyptians the notion that hamadryas baboons greet the sun; and I’ve seen a very amusing video online of baboons watching two domestic cats fighting, quite reminiscent of humans watching a boxing match (proto-spectator sports behavior), even breaking it up when it got too rowdy. But WTF is going on with these ring-tailed lemurs?! https://twitter.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1781919633324347724. They sure look like they’re worshipping something unseen, though I’d bet what’s really going on is nothing at all like that. At least this atheist primate hopes it isn’t or I’m in trouble. Any ideas?

Aaron Holder

Great episode. I think the freeloaders will love it. Flint did do a great job of remaining composed while being scolded. Listening to the excerpts you played in the supplemental episode I had this image of a self-important child wagging his finger at an adult while standing in front of his big, tough brother.

Ymirsdreams

BIG PYRAMID CLAIMS ANOTHER PODCAST D:

Chomagerider

A team of THIRTY conspired to equip Flint with what he needed to burry Graham? 30 against 1. So unfair. I hate it when big archeology does this...

john statham

This is amongst your finest work. There’s been a lot of chatter about ‘missing links’ in Evolution, where we can’t find evidence for some adaptations (Those Gurus exhibiting religiosity of late, often mention this). Can you recommend a credible source that discusses this?

peta austen

clever guy, I feel smarter after listening to him. So personable 🤎⚒️🗿

Christy Kilgore

Flint and his brother Chip got to do archaeology with their archaeologist dad when they were kids?! My childhood was lame as shit.

Reinert

The point about technical language and how it's approached differently by professionals and heterodox thinkers is an important one IMO. One personality I haven't seen mentioned yet is Randall Carlson, a proponent of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis and one of Graham's closest collaborators. He is often held up by JRE fans as a purely factual, no bullshit kinda geologist with hundreds of PowerPoint pages, but he also never bothers to dumb things down in his episodes with Joe, resorting instead to dry academic jargon like "Bølling-Allerød interstadial", "isostatic rebound" and "Meltwater Pulse 1B". Maybe there is some merit to his work, but this also serves to obscure the fact that he's (1) not actually a geologist and (2) into fringe topics like numerology and sacred geometry. Not sure if it's on purpose. A similar phenomenon seems to apply to Graham with his grandiose prose and convenient usage of sciency terms but this point in the conversation reminded me of Carlson in particular.

Níall

Dibble is so impressive. The amount of preparation he puts in. I'll have to go back and listen to the Rogan "debate"

Jason Trock

Really very enjoyable interview. Thanks for putting in the time to do it.

Roland Weber

It's already been mentioned, but: great interview. Entertaining and informative. Thanks a lot!

Kyle Wilson

Huge Flint Dibble fan now

Melissa

Great conversation. The reason I support you guys is because I feel academics need to be more vocal at this time .I’m sure I said “I love him” at least 3 times out loud. The fedora so endearing too.

Maytree

Really good you guys emphasized the weeks of prep Flint devoted. Those helping with the prep might need even longer to really dig into the claims. This is what one would imagine to be necessary for, say, an imaginary debate between a Paul Offit/Peter Hotez and RFK. But would they be inclined to devote that amount of effort? Including building a prep team. Maybe maybe not, but if they didn’t, it could be a disaster is the risk.

Maytree

The Rootclaim lab origins $100k debate is another example of the requirement for deep and thoughtful preparation, and its power to overwhelm flimsy “science”, when science is on your side. An interesting aspect of that debate was the fact that the debater was not an expert, which perhaps lowered the stakes for the reputation of scientific consensus. A good article on the process was written by the research assistant for the winning side, if you have Medium. https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/my-friend-won-the-us-100-000-debate-on-the-origin-of-covid-19-8a9d3f719ce9

S Garvey

geez, I didn't watch the debate but I find Flint to be a really engaging person. Hope he keeps on speaking to the public.

Jacob_3BP

Great stuff. Yes, I feel bad that I as a very long time listener only started paying my fair share recently. This is just great.

Robert Andrews

I definitely support Flint Dibble's approach to having well-qualified experts taking on the pseudo-scientists. As he says, scientists and academics should indeed be able to do this given that they have to teach first-year undergraduates the basics, which often means simplifying the complex ideas and communicating them to people who don't have a lot of background knowledge. And if it can and is regularly done at that level, why not also for the general public? Also, when Chris asked Flint to indulge him with some questions of his own, I thought the question would be "What did you think of the Dawn of Civilization?" :D

Monica B.

Another thank you for a great episode. This conversation was such a balm to listen to. I learned a ton and even felt a little better about the world.

Paul Bowman

That thing about Joe and the photograph - you know the "No, but just LOOK at it, man..." thing. It struck me last time (the episode covering the JR episode with Hancock & Flint), but I had the same response even stronger the second time. I can't articulate why, exactly, but that block on understanding that "seeing is believing" is not always a good heuristic, seems to be emblematic of the whole Rogan shtick, somehow. A kind of "lumpen-empiricism" - "I seen it with my own gosh-darn eyes!". That fundamental belief that the "ordinary Joe" is on the same epistemic level playing field as any specialist expert through the magical power of "authenticity" seems to be at the root of pretty much everything. "You don't have to be an expert to see when it's bullshit" is like a defence mechanism against a complex and confusing world where real information asymmetries threaten a loss of control and personal sovereignty

Linda Sears

Finally got to finish listening. Such great points that Flint makes, like that scientific understanding is not decided upon based on debates on podcasts and being as clear as possible and avoiding jargon is important in public science communication, which is so different from the “sciencey” gurus who use obfuscation to confuse. Since Matt disclosed that he has a fedora, I’m expecting him to wear it in a future episode.

Trees

👏 Flint is the man. Many good points, especially about concepts without jargon and introductory lectures for the public

Michael Lewinger

Pseudoscience uses just the theory part of science while introduction, methodology, and previous knowledge comes from "elsewhere" usually mythical texts such as the Bible, but also something shared with true science, which is a large body of theories that eventually look like common sense so what do we become if we stop accepting common sense right?