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Supplementary Materials 6: Christian Sensemaking, Hipster Race Realists, & Marijuana Pseudoscience (Patreon)

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2024-05-10 13:42:37
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2026-06
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We shake our heads in despair at some truly terrible Guru crossovers:

Old Man Health Routines: Jogging, Diets, and the Pursuit of 'Wellness'

Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand offer the apotheosis of indulgent Christian-themed sensemaking

Taylor Lorenz and activist journalism

Twitch Streamers, Tim Pool, and the Future of Journalism

Huberman gets himself in hot water over Marijuana episode

The Value of Debating Pseudoscience with Huberman

Casey Means: Cramming all the pseudoscience red flags into a single Tweet

When Red Scare met Steve Sailer: Ironic Hipsterism X Old Skool Scientific Racism

Links

JBP Podcast: The Collective Unconscious, Christ, and the Covenant | Russell Brand | EP 444

Washington Post: Twitch streamers become go-to news source for campus protest coverage (Taylor Lorenz)

Red Scare: Sailer Socialism w/ Steve Sailer

Huberman Lab: Dr. Casey Means: Transform Your Health by Improving Metabolism, Hormone & Blood Sugar Regulation

Casey Means Red Flag filled Pinned Tweet

New York Magazine: The Man Who Invented Identity Politics for the Far Right

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Rob Leslie Jr

Big fan of you chaps! True antidote to the rise of the idiots!

Daniel Richards

When we getting the DTG supplement line then? Sponsorship by manshake or big miso?

Mike Nelson

I want an RFK Jr brain worm after listening to the segment with Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand!

Unfitforpurpose

Brand responding to Peterson like an improv player whose just been given a particularly tough prompt he needs to free associate his way out of might be the most honest version of him we'll ever hear.

brianshmrian

I think LLMs start with their word/token embeddings randomized and adjust them during training using back propagation just like other parameters?

Allan Hutton

B I N T is a Scottish slur for a woman 😂😂😂 On ye go JBP ya dipstick

Dries T.

Hey wait, so what was the nicer thing on the agenda that Matt was referring to? I sure could have done with something just slightly less excruciating than hipster racism...

Paul Bowman

On the hipster racism thing, at 1:31:50ish, one of the Klaus Barbie Girls says "..but I love to go into those types of arenas and say, like, uh, 'You should pay attention to what you see with your own eyes, because, uh, the reality usually conforms to uh *giggle* what you're observing". Yet another clear-cut case of Zetetic epistemics in the wild. (I'm really warming to this theme)

Devin Poore

Jordan performing self flagellations because of his pathological need to virtue signal how much he understands and values notions of sacrifice while simultaneously scolding anyone who brings up climate change on the basis of the profound injustice inherent in asking anyone in the first world to make any degree of material sacrifice... never gets old. I mentioned in another thread at some point that the guy is incoherence incarnate. This is another great example of that. No actual principles. Just rhetoric theater.

Maytree

JP seems to me to be on a life long mission to rationalize his particular moral/political worldview, leading to strained leaps less grounded in science than in motivated reasoning. Trying to take the discussion about “mapping onto reality” in evolution even a little bit seriously, I hear him equating “mapping to reality” as an evolutionary process as “Good” and “Truth” rather than simply as way to achieve a level of accuracy that’s good enough to survive long enough to reproduce. (A huge intellectual leap!) And then he leaps further to such-and-such myth (eg the Christ story) is ergo Truth because we are primed to tell true stories as a species due to our evolutionary mapping to reality/“Good” (or something like that). I don’t know if there is any philosophical scholarship that takes this line of reasoning seriously but it hits me as classic, unsupported sophistry.

Chris Clark

If heaven is Russell Brand’s voice and he is God, then take me to hell please.

Linda Sears

On the sacrifice story, it seems that parenthood is a prime example of sacrifice that would far predate Christianity, especially for the mother. Happy Mother’s Day!

Douglas Gearhart

Bint, or, بنت، is also Arabic for girl. Not derogatory

Roland Weber

Oh dear, thanks once more for reminding me about the dangerous corners of the internet. I promise to stay away from there!

Chris Clark

“Priapus, man…Priapus!” 😂😂

Gavin Ryan Studio

Jordan and Russell…. Two empty vessels trying to out-noise each other

S Garvey

good episode, lads. If you need someone to do some low-key experimentation with marijuana to dis/prove Huberman hmu. I can do. ;- )

Adam Sher

I made it 15 minutes. I previously said no more streamers and now I will eat a sock. Bring back the streamers.

Jeanne H-B

Ack! JPB and Russell Brand are insufferable. I felt like I was stuck at a diner with two ego-wanking boors, talking at each other. Like freshman college boys showing off, voices raised so we other diners are the reluctant audience, the boys blessing the peasants with their Deep Thoughts. Except these two are middle aged men, ffs.

Giant If

i dunno; it doesn't sound to me like Taylor Lorenz is endorsing anyone specifically. The George Floyd protests and the current pro-Palestinian freedom protests are two examples of when a story is wildly misrepresented by the media, to the extent that it damages the accuracy of public perception and portrays the actual victims as aggressors, and vice versa. Piker might not be a great choice to represent that movement, but hot damn, we're starved as a society for the bigger picture in those cases, and the impact on viewers/listeners can have tremendous consequences. And yes, as an American I hate acknowledging such a thing. It's sickening to think of your average American as a Trump-like toddler who needs to have stories read out loud with accompanying illustrations in crayon, but I don't actually believe that's the case for most of us. Most of us are kept in the dark and would never come across the views Lorenz is talking about if they *weren't* on Twitch. No, we shouldn't be getting our news via a gaming network. But if traditional news sources aren't do their job, how can people be blamed for finding the truth elsewhere, and writing relieved articles about it when they do?

Giant If

Oh, and my (unfortunately recently-passed) favorite philosopher, Daniel Dennett (I was going to say "mentor, but I only met him a few times), coined a lovely term for the laughable attempt to state mundane facts as if they're world-shaking insights: "deepity." A deepity is true but trivial, making it especially noxious because you can't argue straight-on against its accuracy-- that's not the problem. The problem is that it's not a fucking revelation, and the only people who think otherwise are toddlers, toddler-minded gurus, and their toddler-minded followers.

Marcin Junczys-Dowmunt

I was listening to this while walking around the city and hope people didn't see my visceral grimacing whenever one of the Brand clips was playing.

Chomagerider

That first part about Matt's attempts to be healthier...or shall we say optimize. Careful, you're THIS close to ordering that good AG1 and embarking on the carnivore diet😂

Roscoe 112

Mattrix multiplication once again deconstructs the guru eigenstructure to uncover several degenerate nodes in the phase space.

db

Love the pod - great episode - two thoughts: 1) My concept of Matt as an effortlessly fit and infinitely seductive silver fox has come crashing down to earth - thanks for the self-confidence boost 2) While listening to the sharp analysis of the Peter-brandian babble, I kept wondering if yall have read either Moral Animal or Non-Zero by previously guru-ometered Bob Wright who explores this kind of all encompassing explanation of the human condition and if you might find it more cohesive or convincing?

David Hohle

What does Freud say about an imaginary word spelled qznt? Jk don’t care.

Kyle Wilson

Are Matt’s ManShakes just knock off AG1?

Kyle Wilson

This monologue duet is truly something else. As Matt mentioned this is a sort of bebop or jazz that these two clowns are performing, just riffing & trading manic word salads to enthusiastic head nods and nauseating yes, anding.

aneladgam_varelse

I listen to this while getting drunk and when Jordan said that death makes things real I instantly thought „oh so god isn’t real, god can’t die”

Roscoe 112

I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened qznt had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away.

aneladgam_varelse

I think I prefer Jordan Peterson over Russel Brand, tho it’s though choice. Jordan is more pleasant to listen (or maybe it’s because I generally dislike British accent?) and sounds more sincere - Jordan talks needlessly dramatic, Russel is kinda self-congratulatory. I can’t decide if sheer unpredictableness of Russel’s speech is more interesting or more annoying.

Jeff Faulkner

Before Russell I’d always kinda liked British accents.

Chandra Collins

Wow, what a whirlwind of hot air that has no semblance of sense. Brand’s vomiting of big words at least made me look up the word penumbra. Brand is like the representation of the hypocrisy of Christianity, spewing sacrifice and forgiveness of sins, but not taking responsibility for his actions against women. You guys are heroes for trying to make sense of those back and forths. My head is still spinning in confusion!

Michael

On the point of Twitch streamers covering current events I would generally agree that we need strong institutional journalism, however the Israel-Gaza conflict is an area where mainstream media is showing a clear bias in their reporting and headlines. I think there’s a lot of value to hearing directly from people on the ground, which is not a perspective you see from these outlets

Alex H

The Red Scare race science clips were bracing. Not even JAQing off. They were fully into it.

Kevin Nyberg

@ 54:25: Russell imitating Jordan doing his Rules for Life… 🤣 👨‍🍳💋

Martin Pelchat

You guys are doing a public service by exposing these fraudsters

SHOUNAK SARKAR

Oof those Red Scare ladies must be doing a bit. I mean come on! How do you keep describing yourself as "liberals" and "leftists" while uncritically embracing the old fashioned intellectual racist and his poorly substantiated arguments? It's not just that, they also adopt this insufferable, hyper-liberal way of speaking in that very hip Jersey girl / LA Valley girl / stoner hippie accent. If these people were actual far-leftists occupying the conspiracy theory horse-shoe spectrum, I don't think they would be so blase about embracing race science. They would be your more "DSA socialist, Biden is doing genocide" types. I believe these people are Bannonite trojan horses for the hard-right.

Matt Dear

Brand is right to call himself an Ouroboros, if instead of eating it's tail, it was disappearing up it's own arse. Jesus wept, it is painful to listen to these sycophants.

Gray

One of the things DTG has really turned me onto is the seemingly inevitable climb of gurus up the gurometer. I used to quite enjoy listening to some of Brand’s content when he first reinvented himself as a a pseudo-socialist commentator. He was always massively pretentious but his undeniable gift of the gab combined with highlighting some of the less healthy aspects of our current political and economic systems made for some entertaining listening. But man. What a massive twat he’s become. Or perhaps always was and I was just not critical enough of his impenetrable word salad.

Rod Hodges

Listening to JP and Russell Brand is literally making me sick to my stomach. I better stop but can’t turn away. I enjoy DTG and don’t want u guys to stop but I would totally understand if one day you just said “wtf are we wasting our time on this nonsense for”.

CHUSSTERR

Peterson and Brand should agree on a favorite yummy dish and have a competition to describe it using the most words and concepts.