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Supplementary Material 14: Return to the Gurusphere (Patreon)

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2024-08-31 05:19:35
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2026-06
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World travels complete the Guru Decoders reconvene to examine how the Gurusphere has been behaving in their absence. Bad news abounds.

Featuring:

Introduction and Hosts' Reunion

Chris's Travel Tales Cultural Observations and Comparisons

Health Concerns and Anti-Vax Movement

RFK Jr. and Political Endorsements

Quarantine Measures in History

Bret Weinstein endorses Trump

Eric Weinstein's quasi-endorsement

Stephen Bartlett promotes Bret and gets in trouble for ads

Plagiarism Allegations against Robin Di Angelo

Elon Musk's Twitter Investors Revealed

Konstantin Kisin vs. a normal Interview

Jonathan Pageau and 5G Conspiracies

Sam Harris & Destiny Conversation

Sam's Analysis of Jordan Peterson

Social Media Derangement: Sam vs. Destiny

Offline vs Online Behaviour

Focus on the Far Left vs. the Far Right

Closing Thoughts & Next Episode

Links

RFK endorsing Trump

Delusions, Right and Left: A Conversation with “Destiny” (Steven Bonnell) (Episode #381)

Konstantin Kisin vs. NBC interviewer

Fortune: Elon Musk was just forced to reveal who really owns X. Here’s the list

BBC: Steven Bartlett nutrition adverts banned for being misleading

Eric's quasi endorsement of RFK Jnr. and Trump

Bad Stats clip of Pageau from Peterson Academy

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Comments

Lillie

👏

Will

Pageau's rant on 5G truly was one for the ages. This tendency to link everything by way of analogy is great for late-night dorm room/ stoner conversation but ffs Pageau is in his 50s and presumably stone-cold sober 😂🤦‍♂️ It was also really useful hearing Matt describe the measures the authorities took to ward off the black death. In the heart of Christendom, who'd have thought that the powers that be were more than happy to tread on individual sovereignty in the pursuit of the collective good?!

Tom Wheatley

Good episode lads, great to have the SM back. I find Harris and Destiny the absolute worst. Can't stand the pair of them

john statham

This is top drawer productivity. I’m going in and expecting at least six fluffs and 2 MATTrixes (TM).

Kyle Dun

Chris is saying, "lot of sheep, lot of green, lots of cars", has a Trump vibe to it 🤣

Andy First

I’ve been pointing this out so you may have seen me making this point in the Patreon chat but Destiny initially actually put forth an argument for more assassination attempts against Trump AND his supporters before silently reeling it back a bit into a much more defensible position over the next couple days

Intergalactic Panda Wrangler

The idea that Sam Harris is the ‘opposite’ of JBP’s emotionality literally made me spit out my coffee laughing. He *acts* like he is emotionless, but he is clearly furious, indignant, insecure, and intensely emotionally driven. That’s partly why he can’t change his position even when he is obviously wrong. Occasionally it slips out when he is challenged, he pushes it down but you can see he wants to scream at people. Destiny wouldn’t challenge him on anything at the moment because this month he agrees with Harris on everything. Next month, who knows?!

SHOUNAK SARKAR

Great to hear from my two favourite guru whisperers again haha! Chris, IMO the only two places which I found to be as beautiful as Switzerland are Indian Himalayas and New Zealand! Highly recommend visiting both places for both of you especially Matt, if u haven’t been already. Btw, now that Kamala clawed back all the down on Biden vote from RFK, he was always going to drop out. I always suspected it was a Trumpist operation to divide Democrats. Did you see the story about him sawing off the head of a dead whale and driving it back home on the top of his car? What an insane guy! Also, “a pyramid of idiots kissing each others butts up the hierarchy” is a superb quote lol! Thanks Matt, great way to describe the online secular guru world.

SHOUNAK SARKAR

As much as I dislike Destiny, it’s amazing how much more informed he is on multiple issues (Israel-Palestine, American politics) compared to Sam Harris. He added nuances, brought up Israeli settlements, made the perfect comparison between the relative power of far-left and far-right, but Harris just repeated his standard right wing talking points. What a painfully ignorant, shallow and bloviating guru. Incredible how he has no intellectual curiosity at all and yet filled with so much ego and arrogance. No wonder he’s best friends with Douglas Murray.

Linda Sears

Looking forward to discovering what craziness our gurus have been up to.

James P.

Just had to google the term midwit

James P.

🤣 I love that Sam Harris ranting about social media reminds Matt of I Think You Should Leave Left unchecked, his social media mirror world diatribe eventually ends up at "They replaced your real toilet with a joke toilet that's just for farts!?! Has this ever happened to you!?!"

Kgar

What was that? A pyramid of morons kissing each others’ butts? 🤣😂🤣😂 And then ‘like human centipede?’ Still the best listen in my crowded pod list!

Kgar

“Yo Sam. I left a 12 year old twitter account a couple months ago. My life hasn’t changed at all. What were you up to on twitter anyway?”😝😂

Linda Sears

Good on Bad Stats for giving us insight into Peterson Academy.

Ryan Goss

I continue to think Chris and Matt are giving Destiny way too much credit, if anything he seems like the perfect example of what Sam is talking about in that his personality has been completely warped and consumed by the internet and the incentive structures of being a twitch streamer and online culture critic. I don't think he's "authentic" at all.

Robert Andrews

Okay, I've got it everyone... regarding the Online/Offline thing, I have invented a phrase that is positively Weinsteinian in its brilliance: "In Tweeto Veritas!" Thank you! Please use it as often as you can. With attribution - don't Robin DiAngelo me. Oh wait, I just Googled the phrase and found that Jesse Singal used it in 2018. :(

Monica B.

Lol at Sam seeing the term ‘pregnant person’ as an eRoSioN of InsTituTioNs, and implying it means you can’t say woman anymore. Language shifts. Sam seemingly doesn’t. A full on goofball!

Randy

Be right back. Going to start a band called Pyramid of Idiots. (I hope editor Andy is already working on the graphics for the thumbnail. Who sits atop the pyramid?)

Paul Bowman

Having grown up in Switzerland I can confirm it genuinely does look like the picture on the chocolate boxes. Obviously there's lots of things that are less than idyllic, even for short-term visitors (eye-wateringly expensive, for starters), but the Alps are genuinely spectacular. Much as I love the beauty of Ireland, I have to take regular trips back to top up my "real mountains are awesome" reservoir. On Sam Harris/Destiny, takes me back to the discussion on Gabor Maté and "authenticity" not being all its cracked up to be. I think Destiny is authentically disturbing at times. I also think that Sam is authentically a self-satisfied dolt. My old jiu-jitsu sensei taught us some of the nastier techniques he reserved for bouncers on the grounds that they were "ignorant". Explaining that by "ignorant" he didn't mean lacking in knowledge (or intelligence, for that matter), but having the firm conviction that what you don't know isn't worth knowing and bull-headed refusal to learn anything new or that might challenge your pre-existing prejudices. Sam has this kind of ignorance in spades, imo. Intelligence is no cure for that kind of willed ignorance and lazy uninquisitiveness. Your authentic self can be that you're an authentic arsehole (which is a point I think Matt made in the Maté ep). And finally, yes, totally agree that in the US the far left is outside the DNC protesting against it, whereas the far right is inside the RNC fantasising that the far left is inside the DNC rather than outside it. This is more than a Dude-style "well that's just, like, your opinion, man" point, it should be objectively observable. Not that that's going to stop culture war "centrists" both-siding the situation. Whatevs

Idan Ca

Watchmen reference by Matt was best moment in this excellent ep. 👏

Níall

I'm one of those people that can't argue on the Internet without it ruining my day. I don't know how you all do it.

Eric Ireland

Great episode. I’ve been thinking about the topic of social media derangement. I think when Twitter brought in the “home” timeline with the algorithmic feed, it changed people’s behaviour. Although it helps people find stuff that interests them, the algorithm encourages people to make controversial tweets by amplifying them. Twitter was more boring but less addictive for me 10 years ago. I use Mastodon now. It’s like Twitter was in 2009. Clunky and boring, like me.

Dr Badmouth

A fun episode. Even though I'm closer to Destiny on the use of social media, I'm not sure how many people fall on our side of the fence. My partner is one of the people who twitter can ruin hours of her day (not up to an hour). Also, I read Sam as very curious about Destiny and his view while (with Chris leading the way) Sam is claiming his view is the correct one. Found that take surprising but otherwise... good episode

Amy

I share Chris’ unrealistic optimism when it comes to accomplishing more when I travel. Now I know I can blame it on my Ulster ancestry!

Evan Strippelhoff

Sam kind of sounds like an addict in recovery, romanticizing his intense experiences with social media and sounding the alarm for his peers

Charlie

Destiny is so much smarter than sam