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We return to the world of Graham Hancock, pseudo-archaeology, and real archaeology with Cardiff University archaeologist Flint Dibble. Sadly the senior member of the Decoding team was absent for the interview but young apprentice decoder Chris struggled on as best he could. This episode, recorded just before the release of Ancient Apocalypse Season 2 on Netflix and Graham Hancock's associated podcast PR tour, examines the appeal of myths like Atlantis, the criticisms Flint has faced from Hancock and others, and the broader challenges of communicating good science online. The discussion covers whether debunking false narratives is effective, Flint's experiences with public engagement and social media harassment, and the cultural significance of "edutainment." We also explore the misconceptions perpetuated in popular media and the importance of academics actively participating in public discourse to counter culture-war-fueled stereotypes. Finally, Chris also gets Flint to acknowledge that archaeology can't disprove his stunning new theory about ancient seaweed submarines powered by coral technology.

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Archaeology with Flint Dibble: The Aftermath of Talking to Graham Hancock on Joe Rogan: A Reply to the Haters

Archaeology with Flint Dibble: The Top 6 Penis Bones in Archaeology

New Scientist article on Flint: The archaeologist fighting claims about an advanced lost civilisation

Real-Archaeology Event!

Graham Hancock's Response Video to Flint: Fact-checking science communicator Flint Dibble on Joe Rogan Experience episode 2136

Bridges Podcast: Uniting YouTube Against Fake History Frauds | MILO ROSSI & FLINT DIBBLE | Bridges #21

The Skeptic: Dr Flint Dibble wins 2024 Skeptical Activism Ockham award

Halmhofer, S. (2024) Manufacturing History: Atlantis, Aryans, and the use of Pseudoarchaeology by the Far-Right. Conspiracy Theories and Extremism in New Times (pp.53-81) Chapter: 3. Lexington Books.

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Anne Stephens

If they've accidentally booked Keanu Reeves PhD the renowned Archeologist, I shall be just so happy 😊 And honestly, we don't see enough of Chief Inspector Keanu Reeves of the Fraud Squad these days...

Adam Sher

Hancock's Rogan appearance dropped Thursday. What a call, Dibble.

Anne Stephens

Excellent conversation: much appreciated. Thank you. (PS: My only trip to Cardiff was for a job interview at the Archaeology Dept., shortlisted for a contract to redraw some old plans, and make illustrations of artefacts. Dr Charles (?) had recently been on the BBC regarding his dig at Silbury Hill. Fun day out. Met a Celebrity Archeologist. Remained unemployed. Promised not to tell about the Neolithic Seaweed Submarine being painstakingly conserved on the 13th Floor. Oops! 🤷🏼‍♀️

Dada de Broglie

“puncturing the self importance of conspiracy theorists and people that will present themselves as martyrs is effective” ~1:25:52🫶

Nancy Hale

Grateful for what Flint’s been doing (and will do) in the face of attacks online and in IRL. It’s understandable that many scientists, including those that are good communicators, would not want to address popular pseudoscience. You’re likely to get grief and nastiness from some motivated stans. Flint sounds as if his positive outlook has been protective in weathering the Hancock storms. Also very encouraging that his Uni has stood behind him.

Koidestroyer

"We are going to blow up the internet." I just hope he truly does, not like Bret.

Mark Francis

Is Hancock romanticizing the past?

Daniel Richards

Would like to clarify I am not the Dan Richards mentioned in this interview. Always crazy hearing your name in a podcast hahaha

Tom

Lost a lot of respect for him when he put his Twitter on private after the joe Rogan harassment easier this week. If you’re going to stand up to these charlatans you can’t be a pussy when they push back.

Matt Dear

World Of Antiquity, Stefan Milo, and Miniminuteman (Milo Rossi), are all really cool archaeology/anthropology youtubers, in case you aren't familiar! All of them have spoken to Flint I believe, and they all do some pseudoaracheology debunking to varying degrees.

Sean Power

Just a lovely interview, really interesting. And last point is Excellent. It seems to me on a casual glance that the kind of doubling down of these folk seems to be driven by an inability to allow that, in research, you can go wrong, have to walk back ideas, ackowledge that what is believed now is not just added to what was believed then (say, about culture in a 1970s paper) but can undo it. And yet, both bits of work for their time are good research. I wonder do they hold it must always be that what is believed now is on top of what was believed then. It’s wholly additive. I wonder is there some relationship between that and the ‘yes, and’ aspect of these gurus friendly discussions?

Gray

Keanu Reeves getting into this makes me sad. He is by all accounts a genuinely good dude.