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Supplementary Material 47: The DTG Conspiracy UNMASKED, Quantum Idiots, and Triggernometry Prophecies (Patreon)

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2026-04-03 04:32:06
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Our cover is blown. Our secret funders unmasked. Code Red: Abort! Abort! This is not a drill.

Supplementary Material 47

Reddit post unmasking our Israeli backers

Mother Jones article on whether 'pizza' is a codeword in the Epstein files (Spoiler: No it is not)

Mickey's Opinion Piece in The Canadian Jewish News about "quiet anti-semitism"

Ben Burgis suggesting a journalist should be fired for using AI

Cenk Uygur’s Pickleball Conspiracy

Vigeland & Citarella on Epstein: The One Conspiracy to Rule Them All (YouTube)

Benjamin Boyce and Warren Smith discuss Quantum Physics

Benjamin Boyce’s YouTube Channel

Triggernometry: Mehdi Hasan Debate on the Iran War, Immigration and the Israel Lobby

Creator of Horseshoe Theory Dies aged 100

Comments

Lillie

Yay!!!!!!!

Roscoe 112

Reddit could be wrong, but it also could not be wrong.

Kyle Dun

What is this? Only 1hr 40! Would an extra 20 mins to make it 2hrs, kill you. Man you guys fell off lol.

Kyle Dun

The Destiny claim is so dumb. You probably did get Destiny fans come to DtG after covering him. But there are only a few die hard Destiny fans in the Patreon that I can see. I was put onto Destiny through DtG so he would have benefited as well from your audience. That is how it goes. From what I've seen. You show appreciation for his relative effort around researching opinions and good critical thinking, but I've never seen you pull punches when Destiny has been unreasonable. The whole decoding of him gets into this. I thought he (and Hasan) was a dickhead when I heard the episodes. It wasn't until after I watched them both did I settle on Hasan actually being a fuckwit and Destiny being quite good albeit flawed. And you challenged him on his Dr.K support in your last chat. So yes, I sense a soft spot for Destiny who really is his own worse enemy, because of those positive attributes and some alignement in your political leanings. But that hasn't impacted your ability to critically analyze him.

iffydonatello

The inventor of the horseshoe theory was not a antisemite that I know of. But he worked with the postmodernists extensively.

Guruacolyte

I think the epstein conspiracy theories and the sceptical reaction towards AI is part of a general phenomenon where people think that to be cynical automatically makes you smart. People like to think that they are the sort of person who can look behind the curtain and understand how things really happen or they're the sort person to not fall for the hype of AI companies. Reddit is full of that kind of thinking.

Rich F

Im really glad Matt explained that he doesn't bear any animosity towards the disabled community. Obvs im entranced by his bad boy image, like all of us, but that would have been *too far*. Hiya. Happy Easter etc.

DudeNah

This week I emailed my doctor about having a pizza party. I was excited to have a procedure greenlit by my insurance company and emailed my surgeon to thank them and note that I’d be having a pizza party to celebrate. I email about pizza all the time. Because pizza rules.

Par 🇨🇦

Wow. That’s pretty disrespectful of Matt to give the Copenhagen interpretation of the QM measurement “problem,” given Sean Carroll is a friend of the show. 😤 In the many-worlds interpretation, there is no collapse of the wavefunction. Rather, the wavefunction evolves deterministically (Schrödinger equation), and what we call a measurement is just entanglement with the apparatus and environment, causing decoherence and suppressing outcomes. My understanding is the blocked interference essentially creates new branches of the universe (e.g., many new worlds). From within any one branch, it looks like a single outcome has happened (apparent collapse onl). There are an incomprehensively huge number of copies of you in other branches of other universes that registered different outcomes. Every second, there are thousands of decoherence events just in your body alone, each time branching the entire universe. But I’m not a physicist, so I probably described that poorly. Also, Sean could be wrong and the Copenhagen interpretation could be correct vindicating Matt

Níall

A lot going on in the first 2 minutes. Matt is disappointed he doesn't have access to children when they're in changing rooms and he's pretending he's disabled from taking acid

Zendegi Leonard

Should add a “Clandestine Backer” tier to the membership options.

DudeNah

Last comment! I think the ai discussion is missing the point by focusing on the individual use case. It’s the macro deployment of these systems that has implications, eg doge usage of it to slash thousands of grants and jobs from the us government, or insurance companies using it to screen patient files to find ways of cost cutting. It’s those use cases that have profound effects, externalities that ai discourse isn’t accounting for. Automotive automation fundamentally changed the city of Detroit, for example. I dunno if one needs to be in America to understand these effects and their 2nd and 3rd and so forth degree implications, but from a policy standpoint, without any regulation or oversight about how corporations and governments are using these technologies, we’re kind of …I mean it’s bleak. I live in la, where the film industry is being hallowed out by these technologies because they do save so much money. That’s an externality that’s not taken into account in discussions about ai and its impact. This episode tho was really great, aside from that!

Emma

I just wanted to say. Im day 10 post adult tonsillectomy. AKA hell. My doctor's only advice was try not to get dehydrated, come back if you notice heavy bleeding and pick up your drug goody bag on your way out. So basically AI has been my nurse through my whole recovery. It tells me what to expect, how to manage the pain, when to ring the doctor and demand more drugs! I see a huge need for AI in healthcare because human health care providers are so useless.

Ema

But like I dont agree with Medhi. Everyone has started trying to appeal to populism, even our centre left and right parties in Australia. The Liberal party tried to do it and just lost half their vote to One Nation, because the Liberals helped normalise extremism, but at the same time people recognise ON are the real deal. And now rather than learning from that fuckup, Labour are talking about trying to appeal to it too. Its across the political spectrum. And I think its all just stupid and dangerous.

Damian McCarron

thekaratekidpartii2169: Matt’s burner account?

Níall

Chris, at 10 mins, I could tell it's a different audio clip inserted FYI. Not a big deal but thought you'd like to know that it is noticeably different quality audio. Was this that AI tool you were talking about that allows you to insert bits you missed? There are other tools out there that help with normalising audio. I know I've used one to get the volumes of clips to be identical. Could be useful as Matt's getting quieter into his twilight years

Amy

I appreciate the measured discussion on AI around the hour mark. I relate to all of this in software engineering. You need to know what you want the AI tool to do to be able to judge its output, so you can’t take shortcuts there. It also tends to over-engineer solutions so you also have to be mindful of that. I really can’t take people seriously who are either, “never use AI, it’s useless!” or, “the AI is flawless and doesn’t need oversight!”

Adam Sher

As an operator of a sports facility that includes pickleball, pickleball casaulties are being hidden from the authorities. It's worse than car collisions and gun deaths combined in the US. Pickleball is a scourge on society and should be permanently banned for the sake of humanity.

Ryan Weeks

Matt conflating pickle ball with tee ball was probably one of the funnier moments here. Especially considering the conversation being about an elderly man playing the sport.

Lucyna

In my high school teacher bubble “the answer is within” to students using ai won’t suffice. The solutions will have to be different for various sectors. There is too much competition for post-secondary spots, too much parental and societal pressures not to take advantage.

Yoko Swagman

You guys seem to be offended about the conspiratorial accusations from that reddit comment, but you glossed over the blasphemous accusation that the content was Lazy?! Chris is surely listening to the worst podcasts in the world at 2x speed for 12 hours a day just to make it possible and we should not let that comment slide.

m

Tfw you're at the apex of human contribution

Dries T.

Genuinely charmed that the first half of this essentially amounts to Chris frantically failing to get Matt to care about a person on the internet being wrong about something ❤️

Eoin

Although the comment about Michael Inzlicht's Zionism sounds unhinged, your defense of not questioning him about it sounded quite similar to what you often critique about Sam Harris or Konstantin Kisin. Konstantin said that he didn't question Brett about vaccines because he was having him on to discuss his book about Evolution.

Phoebe

Matt correctly identified the most glaring issue with the double-slit experiment clip (human consciousness isn’t some mystical thing necessary to collapse the wavefunction), but pretty sure Benjamin Boyce also got the actual physics (whether you see wave-like vs particle-like behaviour due to observation) exactly the wrong way around (didn’t listen back to it to double check because I was annoyed enough the first time).

Bernt

Just started the episode and hearing the opening of Matt's story. Without listening any further i bet it ends with Matt in the middle of school boy brawl in the public pool 🤞 Matt vs 20 middle school boys

Bernt

I was wrong

Ad Tastic

Nobody is so behind the cutting edge as academics and journalists, especially on AI. I work in healthcare and AI has been embedded in our industry for years. I would say 2 things. It helps us do things that would have been too complicated to do without it. And if you dont get on board you're gonna get left behind. If anything, it's gonna create as many jobs as it destroys. But it will be amusing to hear what journalists and academics think after its happened.

Madeleine Reid

Re thoughts from university professors on AI. (I’m studying for a psychology degree). One of the scientific methodology teachers got very passionate when telling us not to use AI. He said we were banned from using AI to write and that if we used it, that that was plagiarism and that plagiarism is ILLEGAL 😵‍💫😆. I agree that plagiarism is not good and not something I engage in. But it did make me wonder if he thought we were morons or maybe he is? This was just after I had listened to your previous episode in AI and how you guys use it. I much prefer your approach.

Mark Vaughan

There's a worrying trend I'm seeing with decoding the gurus.. almost everytime they face criticism their go to is 'boths side'. Very 'centrist I'm not right-wing' while not engaging with the criticism.

Jonathan Cano

FYI: I subscribe solely for the smugness

JF

I'm curious about what approach Chris is taking to homework or out-of-class work in his introductory statistics class, given that LLMs can pretty much entirely handle traditional assignments in stats and programming classes for students.

Mike Nelson

Been a listener of the show since its inception, but I think I'm going to take a break from it. Can't exactly explain why, other than the tone of the program since it's gone with more friends of the hosts interview episodes leaves me cold.

Zendegi Leonard

You guys have mentioned before good ways to interact with LLM that are productive. Are there any good guides on this? Aside from using critical judgement with anything it says. I want to learn more but it's a minefield of weirdos out there sometimes

Rob

FWIW, I'm in a sector - translation and editing- that has been hit hard by gen AI and LLMs, but I totally get and share Matt and Chris's takes on it. Luckily I'm mainly an editor now as my translation work has almost dried up. And while I understand it when someone says if I ai takes my job tomorrow, I'll just become a plumber, in practice, you're talking great upheaval if not impossible transitions. Ai does actually help me produce better translations and editing. But funnily enough, it takes me just as long or longer than before. In editing this happens because now I can check so many more things, in translation because however you use the ai - and there are different ways of using it - you still need to check every word for a high-end translation, which is the only kind of translation a human can offer these days and still make a living, and again, the ai lets you do so many more checks and check so many more things that it takes longer. I was a bit triggered by Matt saying now we can let ai do the mundane stuff we spent years cutting our teeth on while we get on with the strategic stuff. But if you never moved on from the mundane, you're in trouble! My laziness is coming back to bite me! Demonising ai has also become a great pastime in translation. I saw a guy do a talk at a conference on how immoral AI was on so many levels, and that shit got lapped up by everyone in the room, but that ain't going to stop it from stealing your job!

Alex R

Matt's summary of the issue with double slit experiments was pretty good. The specific issue is that when physicists talk about experiments with "observing" electrons (i.e., to see if they'll go through one or the other slit), in practice that means they're *shining photons* on the slits so they can take a picture and see what the electrons are up to. Photons have momentum, they impart that momentum on the photons, and (insert handwaving here) that changes their behavior such that they revert back to a "particle behavior." In my first semester quantum class, I seem to recall we did the math to show that the energy of photons you need in order to try and capture their behavior ends up being substantial compared with the momentum of the electrons (but don't quote me on that).

Leigha

AI might be more accepted if the people who are the face of AI were normal people and not strange people who feel the need to talk about the antichrist and world domination most days

Emma

I thinj I agree w Matt that if your already mid career AI is mostly good because its equivalent to having an assistant that can do the mundane bits for you, allowing you to be more efficient. As long as you closely supervise it. I mean there's a reason why all the important people get PAs right. But i am more worried for the younger generation because i think there's going to be less use for junior staff making it v hard to get to mid level. I am a public servant working in strategy. I think AI has been largely positive for me. My current job requires me to do a lot of work w data but I had barely worked with data since Uni. Note govt obviously does not allow me to give AI my data to do the analysis fir me. But it has allowed me to rapidly upskill. I've also experimented w how much it can do my other types of work for me. I've discovered that I can't let it loose or it will produce generic slop. But if I do the thinking myself I can get it to write up my thoughts for me in various reports and memos which allows me to work much faster. I tend to think that innovation which allows humans to work at a higher level is good. But i am a bit worried anout the turmoil in the short term. At the same time I see no option but to evolve how i work or be left behind.

Emma

I think its a bit different w creative pursuits though. I recently attended a creative writing workshop and the older writers were horrified and were weirdly bragging about how they still use a physical thesaurus. As a younger aspiring writer I see the benefit of AI in writing is to sort of the grammar and such for me to free me to go faster. Plus AI can provide useful editing. But there are various AI now I see where you can give it a rough outline and it will write your book for you, but those books are terrible. I think to some extent you have to trust readers to have the taste to prefer something more human. But I dunno. The art world isn't the meritocracy those writing snobs think it is. Your best chance of being published as a new author is if your already famous for something else. Also helps if you can look hot at promotional events.

Conor McGee

While I don't think your takes on AI are that unreasonable overall, I think you have to admit there's a contrarian element to it, that I only notice so much since it contrasts with your general level of skepticism. To point out two quick examples that come to mind: * "If you don't like it, don't use it" might be fine for you, but there are huge numbers of professionals who are pressured or even mandated to use AI tools now, whether they think it helps them or not. It's hard to know to what extent this happens outside of large tech companies, where it's demonstrably true. But it seems to be a genuine trend. * Places like Fiverr - while they have seen their business decimated since the AI boom started - aren't finished. Whatever you think of their motivations, there are many people who would prefer to pay a human to create a small illustration instead of using AI. On the whole, I think you make rational arguments, but it's straw-manning a little. I think the backlash you frequently refer to (while it is multi-faceted, no doubt) is more a reaction to the presentation of AI by the people selling it than to the tools in and of themselves. Which leads me to think it could actually be very interesting for you to try a decoding of someone like Sam Altman or Dario Amodei. Altman in particular, the more I think about it, would be off the scale on the Gurometer. Not that I expect your secret paymasters in the AI industry would give that the green light.

Joe Euro

The DTG conspiracy theory sounds pretty plausible imo. Has anyone searched for Matt and Chris in the Epstein files?

Joanna Mulvaney

i was kind of surprised that the answer to ’how do i use AI in a subject area i don’t know much about?’ was to ask another AI instead of asking someone who is an expert or knows something about it to give it a quick look.

Idan Ca

Conor: to your point re decoding the AI ceo’s, I find Altman to be no more interesting than your standard snake oil merchant, slimy and manipulative af; and Amodei to be straight up unintelligible and wayyy too in love with hearing himself talk. So yeh these would be fun decodings 😄

Cameron Buff

People do follow you who revel in arguing culture war nonsense with chronically online individuals in comment sections, who will never admit they are wrong. I am one of those people. As Chris said before, 'I only grow stronger the more they argue'

Shambles

Just another aspect of AI thats shit. Aside from the literally putting people out of jobs, those that are left with jobs are seeing their workload increase significantly according to recent studies, particularly in areas like customer service. The AI systems that just regurgitate FAQs in a human-like voice are are totally unhelpful, leading to far more angry customers. Meanwhile CEOs are continuing to spend £billions on these systems with the fantasy that it will make them more money with zero effort, but will actually just tank the economy (further) The Trash Future podcast has some good takes on AI related stuff.

Das Mann

I found you through the Destiny episode, but joined later on to get access to Supplementary Materials, not because my Mossad handler told me too

Lucas Winn

sick IT Crowd reference

Paul Bowman

Just on the AI use segment. One of ye (Matt, iirc) mentioned similar principles really apply to most new technological aids. I'm old enough to remember the 1980s discourse that electronic calculators were going to create a generation of maths illiterates. The closeness of the arguments and moral panic between then and now is amusing