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Amanda Montell Interview *Early Release* (Patreon)

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2021-06-21 03:11:37
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Hi guys,

We are releasing the Amanda Montell interview early for Patreons.

It won't be out on the main feed for a few weeks but it should be in the Bonus 'Galaxy Brain' feed now. If you haven't got access to that feed yet just drop us a message or use this link: patreon.com/rss/DecodingTheGurus?auth=g2O6nEppM4VAwGvPuFYPr5PcqCrzVX-8

Amanda has a wealth of knowledge on linguistics, gurus, and cult dynamics. We found her extremely insightful and hope you do too!

There were some Zoom artefacts we could not remove from the recording but if you find any other issues, let us know and we will correct before we release to the main feed.

Thanks!

Chris

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Carolyn Reeves

Thanks for this! I found the conversation around metaphor intriguing. Metaphor (and any language tool that emphasizes a concept or meaning via extrapolation/ contextual reframing) helps me a lot in terms of general grokking- and I’ve (anecdotally) heard that this is the case for certain neurotypes. I’ll sometimes use metaphor to help two people understand each other when doing mediation work. So, I think it’s powerful- not just as a literary device, but as a communication and comprehension tool. But, as you discussed with Amanda, metaphors can certainly be used irresponsibly. The vagueness, the blurred edges, the lack of precision and room for interpretation makes metaphor a useful tool for those bad gurus. I can’t see myself disavowing metaphor, but I will be extra vigilant of ethical integrity around those porous borders of meaning. Thanks for bringing my attention to the importance of… using metaphors responsibly? Gotta weed out those sprouts of guru tendency 🌱😆

Paul Bowman

Great ep. Just on the language/metaphor thing. It may seem pedantic, but Brett's "like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun", really gets my goat. You can't play Russian Roulette with an UNloaded gun. By definition, if you're playing Russian Roulette, the gun is loaded. Adding "...with a LOADED GUN" on the end of the sentence is a logical redundancy (if not even fallacious, in the implication that there's any other way). The only reason for adding it, is as an emotional intensifier. Which is symptomatic of the whole discursive style. Brett and Heather present their dialogue as being in a scientific, rationalist mode, and then proceed to use every emotional manipulation trick in the book. But with judicious use of certain stock phrases and weasel words, still manage to convince their audience that they're still in the presented mode. It's irritating.

Emma

Loved this episode. As soon as it finished i immediately purchased 'cultish' from audible!

DavidtheG

For some reason, that link doesn’t work for me. I’ve tried both clicking it and copying and pasting into the podcast app.