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Next Decoding Source Material: Red Scare Podcast (Patreon)

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2023-11-24 08:35:40
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2026-06
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Red Scare was on our to-do list as many people requested we cover them and we like to break up the endless parade of narcissistic middle-aged men.

I do not know if this was the best option for a 'break'.

To provide a spoiler, we do not really think they are secular gurus just annoying people. Like being stuck at some hipster party with a gang of 20-somethings who are too cool for all this lameness (and also happen to be in their 30s).

Anyway, they also manage to get into anti-vax stuff and conspiracy theories because what else would they talk about?

The interview subject Tao Lin is a whole trip on his own.

Anyway, we apologise in advance but good to have occasional non-guru annoying people to remind people that not everyone we dislike is a guru!

Files

Crazy Autistic Asians w/ Tao Lin

The ladies discuss autism, alt-lit, and more with novelist Tao Lin.

Comments

Michael

You guys are the best

Emma

Argh. Their voices are so annoying. And the woke side of me is getting quite offended! I mean he may well be autistic. But just self diagnosing yourself doesn't make you an expert and certainly doesn't mean you can call other autistic people r****! According to ancestory.com I am 4% maori but I can't go up to a black person and use the n word and them try and claim its ok cause I'm an insider.

Riku

The intro music was a throwback and the best part of the podcast

RareTripleBait

Can we have a self-help circle going for everyone who listened to more than 10 minutes of the source material? I am 15 min in and in dire need of help

Lee Kebum

Soo, I have many questions..are they faking "autistic speech" for fun? Is a non-medical, self-diagnosed autistic person an expert in the area? Is them using the r-word a stance they take, or are they ignorant? Are any of the stats that this guy gives actually factual? Anyone else getting big bully vibes from the women, like they're mocking the guy and he's not getting it? Excruciating listening experience! Threw in the towel at 20mins

Oliver Bostridge

When should we expect this? Curious to see quite how annoying you find them haha...

Linda Sears

I got through about 20 or so minutes. I’ll be the bad student and say I did my homework. I’ll wait for the decoding.

RareTripleBait

I made it to 1:21 and feel like this month Chris and Matt need to pay reparations to their patreons for emotional damages.

Neil Howarth

Blimey, life is far too short for this garbage, one too many space cakes and an excess of middle class emptiness- I too will wait for decoding!

Subodh Kafle

Their guest episodes are largely even worse than their regular episodes, something most of their listeners agree on.

Rod Hodges

I didn’t count the seconds so not sure how I rate on the scale of how long I could stand listening but it was not long after I heard the first vocal fry.

Margaret Drennan

What is happening. Glyphosate replaced DDT. Glyphosate is in the vaccines. There will be neurotypical overloads safeguarding a society of nonspeaking autistics. The fish oil is rancid. No, it's not rancid. No, it is rancid. Eat organ meat. Eat McDonalds.

Margaret Drennan

Oh I forgot about the testosterone and autism loop but they brought it up again

Diane Morrison

I used to listen (half heartedly) in the past but often zoned out..it’s very much vibe heavy low content. This time I paid attention I think for about 20 mins and the guest is even worse than the usual conversation, but mainly cos the topic is actually something fairly serious and worth thinking properly about.

Erin Dougherty

This has me thinking of a recent Conspirituality episode where the guest posits that the next counterculture movement will be right wing. (I think she’s right). These women are irony poison personified, reminding me of myself as a cynical teenager. Saying that nothing can turn you into a conservative like making lots of money feels like they’re being self aware/ironic (this idea is one we heard our parents say) and also completely genuine because they’re so vapid and never apparently had any moral compass to begin with. Being a hot, young, vocal fry heavy contrarian who just can’t muster the energy to give a fuck is pretty lame and I’m glad I don’t know any grown ups like this. To live every day wallowing in your own irony soup is so depressing and they do seem depressed. Fuck em. (Note that I think critiques of vocal fry and the use of “like” are often sexist/classist, but in this case it seems to be exaggerated intentionally to make a point… a really stupid point)

Nina Davies

My husband and 3 adult children are autistic (diagnosed) so I am 4x an expert. The thing they all miss in the discussion is sensory processing disorder as necessary for diagnosis. It is exhausting and very difficult to manage (as it includes difficulty processing emotion so can be extremely risky during adolescence). My 16 year old would love friends but everyone annoys her so much ( which she can't process easily) she constantly makes decisions to be alone which impacts her social anxiety mental health massively. It is very strange listening to people who have no idea talk endlessly about something they believe they know something about. Perhaps I should do a podcast on car maintenance or macro economics.

Emma

I don't want to be offensive and acknowledge I am not qualified to diagnose anyone. But I think there are 2 things that sometimes get confused. As I understand it autistic people have tonnes of empathy if they know someone else us suffering. But because they struggle to read other people this can sometimes come across as unfeeling. And then there are narcassists who can read other people very well, as evidenced by the fact they are often talented manipulators, but they just don't give a shit about other people. And in my own life I've encountered quite a few examples of people who are complete arseholes, who try to self diagnose and self describe as being 'a bit autistic'. And I wonder if they are noticing in themselves an unusual lack of empathy, and diagnosing themselves as a but autistic is much more self flattering then the alternative explanation for their unusual reaction to other people. Having said that I do think underdiagnosis of autism has been a real problem in the past and I also know several adults who I think possibly are undiagnosed high functioning autistics. But they don't think that about themselves. It is a complicated subject!!

Artemis Green

Responding to an earlier comment from one of the DTG guys - I'm not autistic but I have ADHD and sensory processing differences, and I have gotten the 'personality quirk' thing so many times. The first time was a week after I was diagnosed... ironically the commenter was the teacher at a week-long yoga teacher education course on how to teach in a way that was inclusive to people with various mental health challenges. I was so peeved I 'came out' publicly for the first time to call her out in class :P I can only imagine my ASD cousins get much the same, but probably worse, because ASD is even more stigmatised and stereotyped than ADHD I'd say. Full disclosure I haven't listened to this podcast and probably won't because it will make me extremely cross for no benefit, so hopefully this comment still speaks to the context.

Ymirsdreams

Speaking as a diagnosed autistic, I would just like to say: nothing and avoid eye contact.