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Buffy 6x21 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-03-01 17:00:07
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2026-06
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audio warning for when Giles enters the scene. i get a tiny bit excited

link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ht29mznhlxcxxim/Buffy%20621.mkv?dl=0

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Claire Eyles

Giles' return is absolutely one of those jump out of your seat and fist pump the air moments! I freaking love the Dark Willow saga, to me these are the best final episodes of the entire show. I mean don't get me wrong the finale for season 5 was damn near perfect, but I just adore the end of season 6.

Andrew Pulrang

For what it's worth, my theory on Dark Willow is that her personality has not been replaced by some other dark magic personality. It's still actual Willow. But dark magic as an independent force has in a way capitalized on and encouraged Willow's worst qualities, traits and tendencies we've been glimpses of since quite early in the show. Mainly, it's a thirst for power, in reaction to feeling ignored and bullied so much, and an impulse to control circumstances to her own advantage or stability, especially once she started to gain some good things in her life like first Oz then Tara. Magic got in there and fanned the flames of these cravings for power and control, to the point where Dark Willow is a lot like Vampire Willow -- who was another example of a semi-magical twist on real Willow's actual personality. By the way, I think it's significant that when Dark Willow describes the positive experience with Tara, it's about Tara loving her, thinking she's wonderful ... not about the good feeling of Willow loving Tara and thinking she's wonderful. Once again, she views Tara's death as something that happened to her, not so much to Tara herself. It all feeds into why Willow is such a great character. She's such a great, nice person basically. But like all of us she has a dark side. And under the right / wrong circumstances and sequences of events, that dark side took over. One more thing ... about Andrew. I see him as an exploration of another type of evil -- the evil of weakness and / or immaturity. Andrew is evil because he's weak and almost willfully childish, and someone who craves to be led by others. Evil isn't his idea. But he's almost compelled to follow evil because following is what he does, and he lacks the critical faculties to question himself and his decisions. God this is a great show!

cosmotron

This isn't related to the episode, but since Lexi mentioned it in passing and it seems like there is possibly gonna be some discussion on it, I have to comment on the idea of a "split personality". For one, that term itself is rather outdated. It's called Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID for short), and the term 'personalities' isn't accurate either. When someone develops DID (always because of trauma, usually in childhood) it isn't this 'darker half' of them that takes over their body. In fact, these Alters, as is the more proper term, appear to protect the person (or system, as multiples often refer to themselves) from that trauma. In fact, that's why there are usually a lot of Alters instead of just one (so the idea of it being 'split' is often not really true). These Alters can take on kind of parental roles - they experience the pain in that moment so the others don't have to, etc. Alters are also just as likely to be very young children (often at the age in which a specific trauma occurred). Unfortunately, in fiction the portrayal of DID is widely really really bad. The idea of an 'evil personality' taking over and hurting others is pretty harmful to those that actually live with DID, especially because that idea is so popularized. In truth, people with DID are much more likely to hurt *themselves* because of all their trauma. And while some Alters might be more aggressive or say alarming things, it is again coming from a place of trying to protect the system. I have a sibling with DID, and there's still a lot I'm learning about it, but I have to comment whenever I see someone talking about 'evil personalities' or stories that have like, a serial killer with a "good" half and an "evil" half that just loves violence. That's not what DID is like at all, but the constant portrayals of it that way have left a big stigma that the very real people who *do* have it deal with all the time. It makes others think that they're gonna snap and be violent. That they're more prone to violence. That they're deceptive and untrustworthy. That they're 'crazy'. And...none of that is true. The comments made about it were mild, and I'm not trying to come after anyone here. I just wanted to say something, because it's a good thing to know.

zerofk

I don't like the way they dismiss Jonathan in the Magic Box. I get it, they're not too fond of him right now. But he _can_ help, and their interests mesh at the moment. I like Willow's self-assessment. She's a bit harsh on herself maybe, but also not wrong. And the way she says it is almost poetic. In fact that whole scene is great. When Dawn mentions Tara, Willow is taken aback - almost as if she had forgotten. To Willow this wasn't about Tara anymore. The power was no longer a tool, but a goal. As she says at the end: it's about the power. That random guy showing up at the end is kinda weird, but okay.

Audra Foxgrove

Your talk about how you feel about Tara's death in the beginning does make sense, at least to me. I remember feeling very sad when I first watched this, but honestly the more time goes by and the more I mature as a person, the angrier about it I become.

Salix

Couple of things. 1 that's not Giles at the end. That's Ripper. And yeah 😍 And 2 bit more serious. My feeling for what they where doing with Tara's death and why no one really cry's that much with it. I dont think the writers where trying to make you upset I think they where trying to make you angry. So you support what dark willow is doing. Until she goes to far and you stop supporting her and question your own choices in supporting her vengeance. Imo.

Collinson

The Tara character had a interesting journey with the fandom. There was some anger when she and Willow became a thing as people loved Willow and Oz so much but everyone came around and ended up loving her. There was lots of anger when she was killed off but I do think that was partly what the writers wanted they wanted you to feel Willows anger.

rattusprat

So you don't feel sad about Tara's death, you just feel angry. I would say therefore the show has successfully got you to empathize with how Willow is processing Tara's death.

Britney

I know I mentioned this in my comment for the last episode, but the Dark Willow arc is one of my favorites in the entire show. As we kept getting closer to it, my anticipation kept building because I just knew you were going to love it, Lexi! I'm glad I was right about that because your reactions to it have been so much fun to watch. I loved how excited you were when Giles showed up at the end. As for Jonathan, I've always liked him as a character. I think he's a good person, but he got in with a bad crowd and was just going along with their plans to fit in and be accepted. Now with Warren out of the picture, you can see Jonathan's trying to do what is right.

Andrew Pulrang

If I understand Lexi's point about Tara's death being less sad, it's not because we're not sad at Tara's death, but that the show did it in such a random, senseless, but also manipulative way. Random and senseless in the show world, manipulative in the meta / writer and viewer's world way. There can be good reasons to write in a senseless death. Joyce was another example. Senseless deaths are part of life, and worth exploring. But when they are inserted specifically to amp up raw emotions and push another character over the edge, it feels like the spell is broken -- we see the mechanics of the story -- and that feels wrong and takes us out of it, at least for a bit.

Shelly

I think Buffy was so awkward with her speech to Willow, not nearly as convincing as most of her War General speeches, because she isn’t convinced herself that life is worth fighting for. She has the conviction It’s true, but she hasn’t felt it was true this entire season.

Martin Waits

The scene with Willow's speech and the room spinning into the Magic Box is incredible.

Ryan Martinez

Giles' entrance the last scene...This whole season was the switch of networks from the WB to UPN. I didn't have UPN at the time so I couldn't see this season untill they released the DVD for the season. So from watching faithfully for years and then Buffy dies. I had to wait 2 years to watch this season. This was my first time binge watching something even before binge watching was a thing.

John Alexander

K, so what we have here is the "Unstable Powered Woman" trope. This trope has it's roots in the misogynistic "Women are Delicate" & "Hysterical Woman" tropes where women are portrayed as emotionally weak & unable to handle immense power. As is the case here, it often falls to a male character, or characters to "clean up the mess" the unstable woman has caused.

John Alexander

also, the reason we don't flay people isn't because there aren't some dickheads out there that couldn't use a good flaying. It's because you shouldn't be the type of person that flays people. Today they deserved it, tomorrow ? Who knows.

Jontor11

I totally get it Lexi. I feel the same about Tara. Her death was just...cheap. It was sad to see her go, but the show really made a mess of it. But wasn't Giles entrance at the end the best entrance ever!!!!

Cory James

I can suspend a LOT of disbelief when it comes to shows like this, but COME ON. Where did Willow learn to fight like that? Do you get inherent martial arts skills upon turning evil? I've never gotten over that this entire time.