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Buffy 6x22 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-03-05 18:14:54
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an epic finale

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Eric J Quintern

OMG there's so many things about this episode that I love. The yellow crayon speech at the end and the fact that it was Xander who saved Willow and the world put it over the top. Random bit of trivia: the spot willow tried to end the world was the same cliff Angel tried to commit suicide in "Amends"

Britney

"Buckle up, Rupert! 'Cause I've turned pro!"

Britney

I love this finale. I love all the character moments between Buffy/Giles, Giles/Anya, Buffy/Dawn, and Willow/Xander. "I don't want to protect you from the world, I want to show it to you." My heart! ♥️ I also love how it ends with another Sarah McLachlan song like the s2 finale.

Eric J Quintern

Her climbing out the grave in the finale to green grass and happy surrounded by sunshine is such stark contrast to how the season started. The contrast between "heaven" and "hell". This is why six is my second favorite season. Marti gets a lot of shit but this season was amazing

Leenis

I don't think Spike wanted to get the chip out. He always said make me how I was. Altho soulless Spike can't know love, he recognized he couldn't give Buffy what she wanted, so he wanted to have a soul for selfish reasons, not because of real love. Just an opinion tho.

Neburcs

Yeah there weren't really any monsters/demons of the week in this season. This season focused more on the characters and their relationships than the supernatural/big bad. One might say the big bad of this season was themselves and not the trio.

Andrew Pulrang

"Hey black eyed girl, whatcha doing?" One of the most memorable lines in Buffy.

cosmotron

So, there's a fair bit here I like, but also a lot that I just...don't. First off, the Spike stuff. It's written in a way that feels weird and lazy. The way Spike talks is deliberately meant to sound like he wants to get revenge and hurt Buffy more, but no he's actually been after his soul. And previous dialogue indicates he knew what he was getting the whole time, but his behavior here doesn't sell it. And it's a shame, because I think it could have been done in a really ambiguous way, where the first time you watch you think one thing, only to realize that something else was being communicated. They didn't even tell the actor what was happening, which would have allowed him to do a more nuanced performance. Secondly, I mentioned before that I think Xander should have died instead of Tara. And while the whole 'yellow crayon' speech is very moving and always makes me cry...I still think Xander should have died instead. Not just for the reasons I already mentioned, but also because of Buffy's character arc. It's a nice full circle moment to have her crawling out of her grave again, but her realization that she still wants to live kind of feels like it just happens. I think having Buffy be the one to convince Willow that they and the world should keep living would be a lot more thematically appropriate - especially since Willow was really the driving force behind Buffy being brought back/dragged out of Heaven. It could even be both Buffy and Dawn - Dawn has struggled with her own existence after all. And all of this would be even more emotionally charged if it had been Xander who died. And that's not even getting into the little things. It's almost easy to forget that Tara is dead, because we just don't get to dwell on it. If Xander had died? It would have been hanging over every single scene, impossible to ignore. It would have really given us the weight of his death. But Tara's, despite all that's happening ostensibly being because of her death, feels like it is brushed aside. And I'm not a fan. But, your reactions are great as always. <3

mary smith

You're right on in your interpretation of the Grave finale title, and I think it's such a great tonal bookend to the season for buffy. It was also so great to have Giles back. Regarding the spike thing, you mention spike was not clear enough in his language. Thats true, the writers want us to assume all along spike went to get his chip out. But if you sit back and think about it, it doesn't make much sense. Why would he need the chip out so 'Buffy can get what she deserves'? the chip doesn't work on her...he can already hurt her/try to kill her. Subconsciously or consciously, he went for his soul.

zerofk

I really like the relationship between Anya and Giles. It's a bit more in the background but in episodes like this it really shows. She's a demon again - but she still cares for Giles. As for the temple being small: I always assumed it was just the tip of a tall tower. Willow only needed the statue, not the rest of the temple, so she didn't bother bringing it up higher. And there he is: the Xander who would die for his friends. I don't think he planned to stop Willow by telling her he loved her. I think that just came out. His original idea was just to be with her. She needed a friend, and he went.

Dylan Hull

He wanted his soul back, just said it confusingly to trick the audience

Adoreandu

Going straight into Season 7 is the way to go, I think. You can almost look at S6 and S7 as one loooong season with one big arc across both.

Chess Red Eagle

So Spike was actually asking for his soul the whole time. The writers made it intentionally vague as to not ruin the surprise but the idea was that what he was before was a souled being and not a soulless one. Honestly kind of a "meh" answer but I'll take the end of season twist over them being clear about it lol Overall I really liked this season. There are conversations to be had about some of the individual choices the writers made like in Seeing Red but overall it's really solid. I understand the criticisms but they deliberately went with real world issues other than using supernatural forces being metaphors like they did in the first 5 seasons and for better or worse they pulled it off. The trio comes off as a joke since they are just human and rather silly but underneath it all, at least as far as Warren is concerned, was real danger and toxicity in his misogny and incel personality that not only exists everywhere in the real world but just like in the show actually did the most damage to the group. And I always appreciated that the way they "solved" the big bad problem at the end of the season was also not by supernatural means but with genuine human emotion and love. It fits the season tone beautifully. And I LOVE the symbolism of Buffy starting the season by crawling out of a grave into chaos and darkness and ending the season by calling out of grave into beauty and sunshine. It's so good. I can't WAIT for you to finish season 7 and then 5 of Angel. Gonna be an amazing journey.

Stargazer1682

Your panties dropped at Giles' entrance? Well, good you're shot fromt he waist up, I guess... 😏

Shaun Stacy

Granted I wasn't a big fan of Spike's before Seeing Red, but that bathroom scene definitely killed the character for me for the rest of the series.

Stargazer1682

I think Spike fighting for his soul makes sense, with a certain perspective. He left Sunnydale on this quest to prove something to Buffy; arguably to prove a point to her. Without a soul, Spike, like any vampire, can't actually feel guilt or remorse. The soul acts like the Super Ego, balancing the impulses with morality. Without it, vampires are still capable of a wide array of emotions and whatnot, but it's inherently toxic; and they're driven by what makes them happy, brings them pleasure. In this case, Spike has come to associate his own happiness with Buffy's; if Buffy's happy or what he THINKS will make her happy, makes him happy. But he's not always the best judge of what will make her happy; and he's not above putting his own happiness ahead of hers - hence the Buffy Bot, hence Spike gaslighting this whole season into thinking she can't turn to her friends about how she's feeling, saying she's a demon and all that. Then we get to "Seeing Red". Spike can objectively know that Buffy's just suffered an emotional and physical trauma; which by association hurts him. He can also know that he caused that trauma, just as an objective fact. Both things about Spike can be true, **but** without a soul, Spike can't reach the conclusion of feeling guilty for causing Buffy that trauma; his mind short-circuits and we even see him pivot, his brain is doing mental gymnastics to try and reconcile these things; and he lands on "it's her fault" because she's changed his behavior and he's not good enough because he doesn't have a soul. So now he wants to prove her wrong, and as it's made clear in this episode, what he wants to prove her wrong about is him having a soul. I would argue that Spike's contention is to prove that he can have a soul and be exactly the same person; proving Buffy wrong and that he was good enough for her all along. That would be his driving motivation to fight and get his soul back. And he would be arrogant enough to think that it won't actually be all that bad. After all, he probably thought, if Angel can do it, how hard can it be?

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

As far as season 6 as a whole goes I often find myself putting it in the same sort of space as season 4. By that I mean that for most of it the Big Bad story arc (the Meanies, not the final episodes with Dark Willow) is just kinda so-so. It's fine. Like whatever, I don't love it but I don't hate it. It's just kinda there. It serves its purpose. What the season does offer us, much like season 4, is 1) a lot of really good character development stuff and 2) a surprising amount of really good episodes when we look at them each individually and just leave the greater story arc stuff aside. In much the same way I have a hard time bashing S4 too much since it brought us so many gems like The Harsh Light of Day, Fear Itself, Something Blue, This Year's Girl/Who Are You? and Primeval/Restless, I think the same can be said of S6 and episodes like Bargaining 1 & 2/Afterlife, Once More with Feeling/Tabula Rasa, Smashed/Wrecked, Entropy, even Doublemeat Palace was silly fun. And then of course the last arc just wraps it all up in a way that is very satisfying. Everyone coming to terms with who they are, Xander saving the world, Buffy finding a new reason to live in Dawn and coming full circle by crawling out of her grave into the sunlight instead of the darkness like at the beginning, Willow coming to accept Tara's death, all just really great stuff. Fun fact, Kingman's Bluff is the same place Angel tried to commit suicide by sunlight in season 3's Amends. And Spike?! Spike??!! Swervy McSwerve Swerve, what the hell! What's going to happen in season 7🤷‍♂️ I mean, I know lol But can't wait for "us" to find out. Hella hyped!

esme

this is my favorite season of the show, i love dark willow- she's such a good villain. up there with dru and the mayor for me. i love the "buckle up rupert" because she's just calling him his name but you can feel the absolute disrespect- she has literally never called him anything but giles. as for spike i think that he knew he was fighting for his soul for a couple reasons- the first being that he asked to be what he once was, but him with and without the chip really isn't two different personalities, like xander said, it's just a leash. asking to go back to the man he was because he wanted the chip out wouldn't make sense because with or without the chip- same guy. the second reason being that he doesn't need his chip out to kill buffy. he can hurt her just fine. couldn't necessarily be a big bad unless he had some really committed lackeys lol but he could "give her what she deserves." i think this is just one of the very rare occasions where they mucked up the writing. it was meant to mislead you and make you believe he was talking about the chip, but they way overdid it and once it's revealed he's getting his soul, you still think that he wanted the chip out and just wasn't specific enough. they could've done a way better job making it ambiguous so that you look back on his dialogue and realize that he was talking about his soul the whole time. i've also heard they didn't even tell james marsters what he was actually supposed to be talking about so the acting couldn't really clue you in either. final note about this finale is about xander. i liked him in the scene at the bluff but i really cannot deal with him in the beginning. buffy tells xander she doesn't want dawn to know about what happened to her in seeing red. no matter whether i think it's a good choice to let dawn go to spike's or let her be clueless about the situation, that is fully her decision to make. xander ignores her wishes and tells dawn. xander has every right to hate spike and he has always really disliked him. sometimes it's warranted, sometimes it's not (entropy). but betraying buffy's trust (she didn't even want willow to know, she definitely wouldn't want dawn to) and mouthing off about an experience that was not his to share just to shut dawn up does not sit well with me. once again, not disagreeing spike sucks ass, but the way xander acts and the way he tells dawn makes me believe that xander is just glad to get everyone else hating spike as much as he does. especially after entropy and all of xander's (imo creepy) comments about dawn's crush on him. so he shouldn't even be telling dawn about buffy's business, and he's telling her for a horrible reason. the only possible good reason to tell her would be if she was in danger of him, which she isn't. because firstly he can't hurt her, and secondly he literally left town. just a really shitty thing to do in my opinion. ok anyways sorry for writing a novel in your comment section i've been catching up on your reactions bc i discovered your channel on yt a couple weeks ago, immediately subbed to your patreon, and have since watched every single reaction up to this point and i'm finally up to date so i am psyched to get to share all my thoughts as you watch lol

x_Rhi_x

they tried to write spike as if he was trying to get the chip out, to trick the audience, but some of the writing then didn't really match up when the reveal happened so it is a bit strange he calls her a bitch etc...but it is definitely intended that he wanted his soul back

Shelly

I'm stressed out at work, watching this on my lunch break and sobbing at the image of Dawn and Buffy, back to back fighting. The only person in my entire life that I love unconditionally is my little sister. This is the only love story of this show that matters to me <3

Midnight Crypt Worx

Yayyy what an amazing 3 last episodes of a season! I loved how Willow ultimately becomes the Big Bad of the season. If you listen when Spike goes to that demon, the demon says "So you seek Restoration" or something along those lines. The spell that gives Angel his soul back is called Restoration. A little clue there. Plus, he can already kill Buffy so why would he just now try to get the chip out if he knew it was possible in the first place (going to that demon I mean...he would've gone a looong time ago). Great fake out. When I first watched it I thought the same bc I didn't put two and two together. Joss is the king of gaslighting his audience. lol. Can't wait for season 7!!!

John Alexander

A soulless demon (Spike) going to get himself a soul pretty much just out of spite (the whole sidequest has "oh I'm a soulless thing & you can't love me ? I'll show you..." energy) will never not be funny to me.

John Alexander

I just can't with Dark Willow... I'm glad so many people get enjoyment out of it... no wait, sorry I mis-spoke, what I mean to say was; I'm horrified beyond comprehension that so many people get enjoyment out of it. It is, to me, a hacky, cringy, faux-feminist, lazy-ass, piece of garbage. Tara died so we could get three episodes of "Emo Willow the Supposedly Justified Misandrist"... I want my money back... and also Tara...

Ron Fehr

Well, the surprise ending got just the response that was desired. And the deception was obviously intentional. Viewers were meant to think his quest was all about the chip.

Ron Fehr

Giles is still willing to be there for Buffy, but at least now he knows that she doesn't need to come to him for everything. I kind of think that's what he originally wanted anyway.

Jontor11

The whole S6 we really thought the the lame Trio was the Big Bad. But they weren't. The signs were all there throughout the season, Willow struggling with her magic, and eventually it was too much for her. Dark WIllow was just awesome.

Cory James

Dawn is one of the only fictional characters that has my whole heart LOL I love her so much. She is brave af. She demands they go back and help fight while Xander wallows and she calls him out and then tells him Spike would help her (which is true) but he got defensive and threw Buffy's attempted rape in her face which she didn't even know about cause Buffy purposefully didn't tell her because she loves Spike so much (Dawn not Buffy lol). But then Dawn tells her she can handle that kind of information cause she's not a little kid anymore. She can reconcile how much she liked Spike with what he did to her sister and be upset about it without defending Spike or blaming her sister. Dawn is mature af despite her sometimes childish tantrums. Then Buffy asks Dawn to fight with her and instead of any kind of fear on her face she just says "I've got your back" and just yeets herself at the root monsters and shows a decent amount of skill too considering Buffy hasn't even let her near the weapons. (But clearly, she practices) then just her proud little smile like "what you don't think I watch you?" Buffy is her hero and I love them so much.