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Angel 4x7 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-05-09 16:00:06
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2026-06
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what a beautiful sunday we're having. isn't it crazy how it's still the weekend? time truly is just an illusion. but no in all seriousness sorry for the late upload. i've been super busy these past few weeks and have been pre-recording a lot and i thought i had a reaction scheduled for sunday. totally my bad. but the reaction is finally here and i thank you for your patience. also this does count as sunday's upload so angel 4x8 is coming tomorrow.

link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u30d7eg9pvf7y7m/Angel%20407.mkv?dl=0

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Ron Fehr

Totally understand your busy schedule. Just nice to watch your reactions, whenever you send them.

JenM

Remember during Cordy’s amnesia arc you made a comment in the replies to someone that you’d rather see your most hated ship rather than the amnesia plot? Regretting that now? Lol..no I’m sorry to tease you about that. Because we ALL regret it and can relate to your revulsion. Hang in there because the rest of the plot lines this season are amazing. Minus the Connor/Cordy stuff I consider this the best season of Angel. Though I understand why this season is controversial and not everyone can get past the yuckiness.. You could do like I do and pretend this last scene of this episode didn’t happen. Denial is fun!

Jontor11

Yeah Lexi. We have all been there. That thing with Cordy and Connor is the yuckiest cringiest most goddamn awful thing we have seen on a TV screen...ever! Just block it out! Just like that unfortunate thing with Spike on Buffy. Angel s4 has some really cool stuff. Don't let this ruin it for you. Denial is a friend. Blocking blocking blocking.

Clara V.

Don't worry, time is a weird soup. So, yeah, "Apocalypse, Nowish", a great episode overall and the one that really kicks the season's plot into motion, lots of fun still to come. But then there's... the thing... that happened... And I really couldn't tell you how anyone ever thought that was okay, it's not like 2002 is so far in the past that most people didn't realize this was gross, so... no clue what happened here in the writer's room. The tragedy of season 4 is that the good parts are really, really good, but then the bad stuff is... this level of bad. And it really leaves a sour taste. A handful of insanely bad choices drag down what is otherwise a really good season. The only thing I can really say here is try to focus on the good parts when they happen and enjoy those for what they are.

HuntingSwan

And that's how Cordelia goes from a S+ character to below Parker and Veruca in my rankings...

Adoreandu

Barf! All of the barf. ETA: Ok, let's repress the memories of the barf. Let's talk about Cordy/Angel and Buffy/Spike. And Buffy/Angel. Back in Buffy S3, on Amends (First Evil's first appearance, hello!) Buffy says to Angel that "I know what you did because you did it to me", but she still loved Angel and wanted to be with him. Cordy says to Angel that she loves him but can't be with him because she lived through what he did... So Buffy's love for Angel was somehow stronger than Cordy's love for him? IDK. And then there's what Spike did to Buffy, which to her represents the reason she couldn't love (soulless) Spike. Where does that put the Spuffy ship to you? Because souled Spike is no more responsible for what soulless Spike did to Buffy than Angel was responsible for Angelus' actions... IDK. Anyway, if it helps at all, just hold onto the knowledge that J*ss was trying to destroy Cordelia as a character bc he was having a problem with Charisma. And she still put on a hell of a performance.

x_Rhi_x

There are a few really great episodes coming up. But yes..welcome to the destruction and dismemberment of cordy's character.

Gaius Frakking Baltar

And thus the character assassination of Cordelia Chase by self-proclaimed "feminist" Joss Whedon begins in earnest. I really try to separate art from the artist as a general rule, but when the artist is a vindictive POS like Whedon it's awfully difficult to do so.

Alison

I’ve not seen 1 reactor happy with the ending of this episode. I want to vomit every time I watch it. 🤢

Chess Red Eagle

And welcome to the most vile and hated part of the entire Buffyverse and it ain't even close. This season has a lot of great stuff but this really makes it difficult to watch.

Phoenix Dawn

*laughing maniacally* sorry Lexi lol...

Stargazer1682

Lexi: Who is this demon? Tara? So you have chosen violence.

Britney

This is a pretty good episode up until that end scene. The raining fire thing was really cool. Too bad it got overshadowed by the grossness of Cordelia and Connor. You're absolutely right, Joss Whedon is a little bitch. You scared me for a second though. When you shut off the episode, I really thought you were done for good. lol I'm glad you're not though because there are some good things ahead that are worth watching for.

Stargazer1682

I want to make it clear that I hate "this scene" on it's own merit, which isn't strictly the same reasons others seem to hate it. Granted, I'm fine with the implications this means for Angel and Cordy, but beyond that, I just think it's heavily contrived; and as it's been discussed, all done by Joss as retribution for a perceived slight by Charisma. I won't say yet what that slight was, but suffice it to say, she was not actually in the wrong in any of this; some of the details have only lately come out and Joss Whedon is just a raging, inflamed, prolapsed asshole. That said, and fair warning on diatribe: I have genuinely never bought the "she's basically his mother" argument regarding Cordelia and Connor. I don't think she has any greater claim to that than Fred or Lorne. Was he important to all of them? Of course. But there was also only maybe three months between Connor's birth and Cordelia going away with Groo; and her care of him was arguably predominantly more passive. That doesn't mean that her love for him just stopped the moment he disappeared; she was invested emotionally as much as any of the rest of the team. And I don't mean that she couldn't have loved Connor like a mother; of course she could have, with the right story and in the right context, but what we were given was not that. I feel like a lot of people, namely those who shipped Angel and Cordy, tend to read more into the few scenes we had of Cordelia with baby Connor. Tara had more of a maternal relationship with Dawn than Cordelia had with Connor - although that's a whole other tangent, as I've come to the conclusion that Buffy and Tara should have run away to raise Dawn together, and open a bed and breakfast in Vermont.... 🤷‍♂️ But there would also arguably be a huge disconnect between Connor the baby and Connor "The Destroyer." Like, it's one thing to objectively *know* that this is physically the same person as the baby you loved, but on a conceptual or emotional level, it's not going to be the same. For one thing, baby Connor stopped being the person he was going to be the second Holtz took him through the tear in reality. And with a flick of a switch, here's the this full grown person who has no memory or emotional ties to the main characters; and vice versa. Not even Angel. He tries, but his emotional stake is still with who he was and was supposed to be to him; and Angel wanting to claw back the time he lost with him; which has made him blind to a lot problems with Connor. For everyone else, this might as well be a stranger, because it's not the baby they loved. I don't know that we can fully appreciate what that would have to be like to try to mentally process Connor going from a three month old to The Destroyer within a matter of days. I don't think even a skilled politician could handle that level of mental gymnastics. Emotions are complex and humans are deeply stupid. On a logistical level, we don't know Conor's age. 16, 18 - how do you keep track in a hell dimension? Do we think Holtz kept track, much less bothered to tell him? He didn't even teach him the word spoon. (First full episode with him back, "I know this. A tool for eating.") Ostensibly the writers started throwing 18 out there lately to keep things between him and Cordy on the so-called up and up; never mind Angel sleeping with Buffy on her 17th birthday... Vincent Kartheiser (Connor) would have been 23 in this episode, which is actually a year older than Cordelia is supposed to be during this season - but Charisma would have been about 32; and as youthful looking and beautiful as she was and still is, she had started looking her actual age before she left Buffy and AtS has taken for granted just how young she actually is. She's supposed to be younger than *Fred*, who was already going to college during the first season of Buffy. Connor and Cordelia are closer in age than Cordelia and Fred are; and who knows how old Gunn is supposed to be. Basically, you'd need to go back three years before Buffy, essentially back to when she did a guest spot on Baywatch, where she played a teenager and at that time actually *was* paired romantically with an actor who was underage, because the 90s were fucking stupid - take that Charisma, at 22, and put her side by side with Connor and Angel and decide which pairing looks weirder. THIS is what Charisma looked like at 22: https://static.tvmaze.com/uploads/images/large_landscape/310/777155.jpg 🤔 But all of the is a digression, and I apologize for the rant; because this scene still fucking sucks and is stupid regardless of all of the above. It's just really contrived and doesn't work. It comes out of nowhere. It doesn't even seem to be something that the writers intended the audience to like, because no one does. It's just this inexplicable decision they had Cordelia make for shits and giggles (well, hopefully in this case just giggles....) with the sole creative purpose to aggravate Angel and the fans. Which it does, so mission accomplished, I guess. But knowing the behind the scenes bullshit provides the added context that this was just gratuitous exploitation of Charisma.

Ron Fehr

I felt the same way that you did when I saw the ending. Connor and Cordy together, revolting. 🤨😬😵‍💫

AlexanderWatches

That ending pissed me off ngl, I didn't like that at all...wth. I see how they said he's 18 on purpose, cause my guy looks like he's 15 maybe 16 at the most, but idc if he's 30 its still creepy.

Shannon

“Kill everybody off, I don’t care anymore.” 😂😂 Girl, I feel it. If it wasn’t for one very specific thing in season five, this would have been the last season of Angel for me. I NEVER thought I would ship Angel and Cordelia but they finally actually sold me on it… just to turn around and do this? 🤢Nah, nah, none for me. Throw in some Hungarian curses for me, too. 😂

Garrick Smalley

I'm here to support you through the good and bad times... this is a very bad time. There will be good times.

Andy

It's pretty meta. Buffy is a metaphor for adolescence, Angel is a metaphor for adulthood, and now what's happening in the show is a direct reflection of what's happening in real life; Joss(the powers that be) is pissed off at Charisma, and it ends up in the show, and we all have to suffer for it. Seems like it was destined from the beginning.

Cory James

"Thank god all that connor and cordy stuff is over" Cue my extreme internal wincing. I honestly hope you come to love Connor at least a little bit at some point. I know it's hard to love him as a character but he really was destroyed by the people around him and never stood a chance. I always feel so bad for him. I wish SOMEONE had protected him.