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okay i'm enjoying the show again 

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zerofk

I'm glad you enjoyed this one again :-) It was so funny when you were like "we paid Daniel Dae Kim for the whole episode so we're going to use him" right before he opened his eyes :-D

Clara V.

I think it's safe to say we all hate Connor and Cordy as much as you do, so we all hate watching scenes between them. You pretending not to hate it wouldn't make those scenes any more enjoyable, nothing can. But I am glad you liked this one, the less screen time that atrocity gets the more fun for everyone, I'm pretty sure we're all just in the same boat there and we're all in this together.

Adoreandu

I agree, I think Lilah does love Wesley. ETA: a tougher question, I think, is what does Wesley feel for Lilah? He clearly cares about her a lot if he's willing to risk his own life and break into WR&H to save her from an undefeatable monster. Is that love?

Stargazer1682

I don't think there was meant to be any greater implication to the Wolfram and Hart connection in Pylea other than, W&H have a greater reach than anyone previously considered; and that the priests there couldn't be trusted. Although I have a pet theory that "Pylea" is actually the future on Earth, following some major catastrophe that altered the fundamental balance of good and evil, giving demons a stronger position in society, reduced humans to slaves and you know.... however a second sun fits into all of that...

Stargazer1682

Habeas corpus basically amounts to "present the body" or "have the body" - it's used in law to ensure no one is being detained unlawfully.

Britney

This episode always reminds me of Resident Evil. Like how the Wolfram & Hart employees are slaughtered and then come back as zombies and the little girl in the white room. In Resident Evil, the company was the Umbrella Corporation and it also had a girl called The Red Queen (although it was a computer hologram rather than an actual girl). They even contemplate in this episode on whether or not the employees became zombies due to a security protocol, just like in Resident Evil.

Ron Fehr

Even though I agree with you 100% on the Connor/Cordy relationship, I can't do likewise with Fred and Gunn. And I realize that I am probably in the minority in that regard. (Sorry, I may just be repeating myself. I may have already said so earlier)

Ron Fehr

It definitely hard to like Gunn with the way he's talking to Wes. Did he forget that Wes once took a bullet for him, and that experience grew into a bond between the two of them?

Ron Fehr

I think what the little girl(?) said "The anwer is in you."

Cory James

I just wish Angel would be Connor's dad. Connor calls him dad TWICE! He needs Angel. He has no idea what he's doing. I get that Angel is jealous and angry but he shouldn't be viewing it like that. His son is still a child and has been manipulated his whole life by everyone including Cordelia. He should be talking to his son about this, not just taking petty snips at Cordelia. Sure Connor wants to act like an adult, all teenagers do. The arrogant drunk Liam in Angel who never got resolution with his own father cannot resolve how to act like a father to Connor when he hated the way his own father acted. His solution is to back off and let Connor figure it out on his own because his own father was overbearing but that's not how raising kids into actual people works. The solution is definitely not to send your child off with the predator that groomed him because he actually fell her.