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Arcane 2x6 (Patreon)

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2024-12-09 15:00:05
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Braden Jackson

Rest in peace Isha you were truly the best of us

Crystal

Caitlyn after hearing cupcake one time: SWITCHING SIDES

HBelmont67

I know Kaiju No. 8 is likely in place while we wait for Solo Leveling season two, but after THAT, Violet Evergarden NEEDS to be your next watch. It's only 13 episodes and two movies, and is one of the most beautiful and tearbending shows you will ever watch. 😢😢

Letts React

Its been recommended sometimes, but it doesnt do too well in polls, but you never know!

Liam Ferguson

I Love hate the fact that jinx's voices disappeared when Isha, a mute, shows up. Then Isha 'leaves'.... :( (the only time jinx hears voices After Ishas introduction is when isha gets TAKEN to still water prison and Sevika tells jinx) Ishas character broke me

HBelmont67

Jinx was arguably at her healthiest and most "canonical game" self in this act when she had Isha. Was great while it lasted. 😪

Juan Solo

Ambessa's core values were each represented by a different character this episode. Vision: Caitlyn Might: Vi Guile: Jinx Sacrifice: Isha

HBelmont67

Glad Montana was still dubious of Caitlin this episode. She's not off the hook just like that.

HBelmont67

When's the next poll?

Suplee215

I think there's an important aspect to the change of sides that is usually glossed over. Caitlyn went down this path because she lost her parent and she blamed herself. She knows Vi also lost her parents and with Vander she felt just as responsible as Cait did with her mom. There's something subtle but poetic that what gets Caitlyn out of ambessa thumb is a oppurtunity to save a parent. Also wrote this before you got there lol

Prda

The glorious evolution line was weirdly emphasized because that's what Viktor calls his work in the game. There are several such scenes which are kind of awkwardly framed because they are references, such as the zoom on Caitlyn's mouth when she calls Singed dr. Reveck in the last episode.

HBelmont67

I didn't think it was awkward.

Suplee215

Also caitlyn had issues with Ambessa's method of keeping the "peace" in episode 4 and 5 too. She just didn't see another way. Still in the wrong but when jinx wasn't involved she was more reasonable

hoodie

Jayce when I catch you....

Mary

I cried so much for Isha in this episode, I had grown so fond of her with the few episodes we had with her. Jinx will really miss her :( And about Viktor and Jayce, I really think Viktor still wanted the best for his people but didn't realize he was getting close to something dangerous. By the way, if I'm not mistaken what Viktor is dressed in is the blanket Jayce had given him when he woke up, despite him saying that their paths parted long ago and that it was only affection that kept them together I think Viktor didn't totally leave him behind like he would like. Otherwise he wouldn't be clinging to something like a blanket.

defnotdai

sure, but you gotta give caitlin some grace. She was never this evil person. She was going through shit, and it almost consumed her and clouded her feelings and judgement. She obviously still cared about vi

Neburcs

The way I see Caitlyn's character is that she's an obsessive kind of person. She wants to do good and help people, but she can get extremely stuck on something until she solves it. In Season 1, she became obsessed with uncovering who created Shimmer. She did everything she could to find out who it was and stop them to help people, even engaging in some very questionable actions. Like letting a prisoner out of jail without knowing anything about them, not even what they were in for. Caitlyn risked her career, Jayce's reputation as a councilor, and the safety of Piltover and Zaun just to gain a small chance of learning more about Silco. Similar recklessness and obsessive behavior can be seen when she tries to shoot Jinx while Isha is there. But even though she's quite reckless, she's never been unintelligent. She knew all along that Ambessa was someone she could never fully trust and that Ambessa never wanted what was best for Piltover and Zaun. Still, she worked with her because Ambessa's forces helped her in her goal to locate Jinx, her latest obsession. However, as time went on, Caitlyn grew tired of everything. In episode 4 she complains to Maddie how she didn't expect this to go on for so long, she's tired of it all. Then Vi shows up, someone Caitlyn knows very well, and tells her about Vander. I agree with Kenny that she would do anything to get her mom back, so she decides to help Vi as she now understands how it feels to lose someone you love.

Mary

I just want to correct, Viktor never told his followers that they had to give them his soul or that they would die if he died. He wanted to heal them without getting anything in return, just a community. But again, that was getting too close to a cult where he was going to be worshipped so it's complicated. But I hope you keep in mind that Viktor just wanted to help his people and that he considers dangerous methods worthwhile if he can help them. Not to say it's right but I think you get a better understanding of his character that way.

Michael Johnson

One thing to keep in mind about the Warwick/Vander lava rage mode after Viktor died, Singed had gone into the hut to inject him with something. After Viktor died, Jinx, Vi and Caitlyn all left the hut, leaving Singed behind with Vander/Warwick. Also, after he breaks out and is crying lava, during Viktors dying monologue, Singed is shown standing in the ruins of the hut staring at him. I believe that the reason Vanderwick went berserk is actually because of some serum Singed injected him with, not Viktors death, since all the other changed people simply collapsed instead of reverting to their pre-Viktor magic hand state.

defnotdai

tbh in this show, I understand and empathize with every character to an extent (except for fucking Maddie). They all have their reasons and believe them to be just or the right course of action. And though we as the audience may not always agree with a character's approach or answer to whatever conflict or problem they may be facing; I try to always kind of see how they arrived at their reasoning.

Prda

It was a bit awkward to me because I knew what it was referencing, I imagine it probably doesn't register as much to people who don't know. It's like Viktor saying his name when he approaches Jayce in the first season and the camera lingers on his face for a moment. I don't think it's a big deal, though.

Mary

Um, not that she is a bad person per se but her actions were. I think a lot of people forgot that she used chemical weapons to spray toxic gases on undercity and the people there without remorse just because of a loss of hers. When people in the undercity have suffered losses every day but they don't have the power that Caitlyn had at the time. I don't hate her but it's hard to forget the things she did in anger and power.

HBelmont67

That's . . . that's exactly what happens in the first season, though.

Donald

RIP Isha.

Suplee215

One aspect about the Isha scene. We only ever saw multiple of those hex tech balls used at once before. It was when Powder used them for the bomb in season 1 episode 3.

Braden Jackson

I believed it to be vander dieing since he targeted vander with the healing hand and the orange lava was in warwicks mind scape

Braden Jackson

Hear Jayce out he might have a good reason

yob

LOL they saw the stoplight jayce pfps

Prda

Yes? That's why I used it as an example.

yob

aka jayce nation

HBelmont67

The music when Vander loses himself and Warwick goes insane is the same when Vander faces Silco's goons on the bridge in season one. 😪

hoodie

There is no reason good enough to justify what happend to Isha....

Lucas Barros

My personal understanding of Viktor curing people is that he isn't directly taking anything from people. He is replacing the damaged parts of those people with part of his finite magic. When he died, the magic he used to replace part of those people died with him and the people couldn't keep living without it.

HBelmont67

With the Remember Me sequence, and a couple others, season two is somehow even more visually creative than the first.

Vonium

100% agree, though it is worth noting that Vi did those things too. She defended the use of the Grey to Jinx. Not that it was 100% her decision or fault, but she did go along with it.

Namikaza

"You filthy traitor" says the girl who gassed her own home and people... I really have to say Vi, Caitlyn and Jinx didn't work for me in season 2. Jinx just is a completely different person and is suddenly pretty reasonable and sane. Caitlyn flip flops sides on a whim and Vi kinda just exists I guess. For me the extremly rushed reunion between Vi and Jinx kinda destroys the point and story that the wunderfully crafted season 1 told us. You can't just go back! Things happen to you and you change. Jinx and Vi both changed and the relationship they once had does not exist anymore. The whole thing with "if Silco just found this letter everything might have been different" is not realistic to me. Vander tried to murder Silco and that changed Silco on a fundamental level. A little "Oh I'm sorry I tried to kill you" will not be enough to fix that. And the same goes for Vi and Jinx, it just does not feel right and makes season 1 meaningless.

Jumod Jones

I genuinely appreciate how intelligent both of you are. I’ll watch shows and be so invested but also be so lost at the same time. Watching again with ya’ll always (and I mean ALWAYS) opens my eyes to something I overlooked or didn’t think about. Thank you so much 👏🏽 sending love from WV

HBelmont67

Agreed except for Jinx. I like her more here, and after the season one finale, I think it makes sense how she got here.

Vonium

I 100% agree that Cait is not off the hook. I am glad though that Cait hasn't asked for forgiveness and is just doing the right thing now. She was always suspicious of Ambessa (though I wish we got to see more of that). I just like that the show shows us someone who clearly disapproves of her own actions and regrets alot. Caits actions speak for her. When you are in a situation like Cait is you don't expect or do anything FOR forgiveness, you do the most impactful thing by changing your actions. I wish Caits arc here got fleshed out more but I do like the message that the way to atone for your sins is to change your behavior and just start doing the right thing.

Juan Solo

I agree with Kenny in regards to his thoughts on Caitlyn. Remember, Caitlyn was already tired of the constant conflict back in episode 4. The only thing that was keeping her going was the hunt for Jinx, but as time went on it was getting harder to justify her and Ambessa's actions against Zaun. Episode 4 also made it clear that Caitlyn already distrusted Ambessa. Singed being recruited to hunt Warwick likely increased her doubts too. I think what finally swayed Caitlyn was Ambessa initially considering to enter the commune by force (before Singed offered to negotiate with Viktor). She was smart enough to see where things were headed, but probably felt she couldn't do anything to stop Ambessa until she reunited with Vi. Caitlyn still has her grudge against Jinx, but you can see her expression wane when she sees how happy Vi and the others are. Despite the pain she's still in, I don't think Cait would get her revenge at the cost of breaking Vi's family apart (even without the threat of Warwick shredding her to pieces). Of course, Jayce ended up indirectly destroying that happiness anyway.

HBelmont67

Not bad. I'm hoping for Violet Evergarden to come to the channel sometime in the new year, preferably after Solo Leveling season two. You seen it?

yani

Favourite episode next week 🙌

Erin Ryan

Very unfun fact: the gear that viktor keeps holding was given to him by jayce when they first figured out hex tech and were floating

Erin Ryan

Ishas sacrifice is such a beautiful and heartbreaking scene

Erin Ryan

I miss ekko the goat

Juan Solo

Agreed. As shown with Huck, Viktor uses the magic of the Hexcore within him and surrounding materials to "heal" people, with the unfortunate side effect of tethering their lives to his own. Considering how Viktor didn't know this, it makes it more plausible that Jayce did what he did because he definitely knows more about the effects of Hextech than even Viktor.

Erin Ryan

No spoilers I'm just going to share the thoughts I had after I finished part 2. I was originally was yellow because I was so sad about Isha but changed to green. The hexcore and viktor is clearly sus. But mostly because jayce loves viktor and did everything he could to save him so he definitely had a good reason.

Juan Solo

Also Caitlyn: Hey Vi make sure you spit on me in the tent, it'll convince them I swear

Braden Jackson

I wouldn’t say they went back in things jinx and vis relationship being brought back but it’s different you can see and feel it that no matter what they can’t go back also Caitlyn is switching sides because of the fact that her grif greatly dictated her side her anger and pain from act one put her against herself and the ones she loves and in act 2 after months passed and she is giving responsibility she has accepted her moms death and while it still hurts her and affects her she is slowly coming back to herself she isn’t full boot stomping the under city like what everyone wants and sees that ambesa is just munipulating to get what she wants cait just needed a reason and a good situation to deal with the noxiuns and she found it with helping someone she cares about get what she couldn’t have anymore with her parents and vi was able to deal with ambesa and if the Caos didn’t happen then it would have been long term but the victor situation gave ambesa time to recover

Braden Jackson

I’m mixed matched on jinxes development but as I rewatched I think it makes more sense than it not

Braden Jackson

I believe victor eventually knew because him and singed both knew that if he dies then his colony falls but I guess that dosnt automatically mean he knew they are all together

Juan Solo

I was 100% green. Even though he looks unhinged, whatever Jayce went through that made him go a complete 180 on his life's work and kill a guy with zero hesitation must've been truly horrifying. Plus, Viktor fusing with the Hexcore already set off alarm bells from the get go.

Braden Jackson

True every character has some reason or Cuase that I understand even if I don’t condone it ( Except FUCKING MADDIE

Braden Jackson

I thought it made sense we see that her mothers death effected her and know that she had in a way accepted it her eyes are more open to what’s happening

Braden Jackson

Cait isn’t going for forgiveness more so that she is trying not to be that person again she has never asked for forgiveness and is extremely remorseful of the things she has done

Seachelle

I wish I had a time machine so I could skip ahead to next week………… heh

Neutral Nick

Another week of getting my question picked!!! You guys are awesome!!

Molly McDougal
>>157776289

I wish people would stop repeating this information because it's flat out wrong. Arcane S2 Act III spoilers . . . . So, I see a LOT of people online and in comments sections claiming that Vander going out of control was not caused Jayce shooting Victor but rather Singed using the serum he prepared on Vander after he was left behind in the little building with Vander after everyone rushed out to see what was going on. They claim the evidence for this is that we see him standing in the building at the end of the episode, showing he regained consciousness at some point and injected Vander. Not only do I think this claim is basically fanon since it's something that is not actually shown or stated at this point, I think there's actually evidence against it. We actually see the serum just before Singed and Caitlyn leave Ambessa's tent. And later we actually see Singed give Vander the serum, Only it's not any time in Episode 6. We actually see him giving the serum he prepared earlier in Episode 8, when Singed "begins the process". The injection is even shown to explicitly do what Singed said it would by "prohibiting the success" of Viktor recovering Vander's humanity when we see his memories burning up after he is injected. Now, I'm not gonna say that it's impossible that he gave the serum to Vander off-screen and that it didn't actually accomplish what Singed said it would accomplish necessitating a second dose of the same serum later but like that doesn't make a lot of sense and is not what the cinematic language implies. We see the serum, we are told what it does, and later we see it used and it does what we are told it will do.

HBelmont67

Wipes it TOWARDS HER MOUTH. What is wrong with her?

Michael Johnson

Yeah you could be right, I simply said it's what I think. I don't think it really matters much either way, if it did there would probably be more confirmation one way or the other. I will say, when he is injected in episode 8, both vials on the handheld contraption are full, whereas in 6 when he is taken out by Cait only the green one is, so he explicitly did refill it at some point. It also causes Warwick to roar, which since he is weakened does not turn into a full rage as the previous one did. However, it's still just my theory, I never said it was canon, and there's definitely enough evidence for it that it at least isn't "flat out wrong".

HBelmont67

Viktor's commune reminds me of the Utaru tribe from Horizon: Forbidden West.

HyperColt14 B42

From what ive heard from others over on twitter, i think what happened was the little girl (forgot her name) she overloaded Jinx's gun with not 1 but 3 hextech balls which caused a mass explosion. so i could be wrong but i think she'd died along with vander from the hextech explosion (i havent got a clue since S2 has been all over the place))

Jon Wake

It cracks me up that people will give Jinx a pass for multiple murders but completely miss what has been happening with Caitlyn this whole act. To be fair, all her development has been non-verbal.

HBelmont67

I don't have to give Caitlin anything. I'm with Monty; let the Cait-hate flow through you.

HBelmont67

Fair enough, though I'm still with Montana. Still don't like Caitlin.

HBelmont67

I somehow didn't even know that was a thing. 😅

Seachelle

Jinx being extremely mentally unstable while being manipulated and used is one thing, she never had a reason to really care about the people of Zaun before her experiences this act, her loyalty in season 2 was to Silco, not the cause. Cait on the other hand fully knew what she was doing and had previously cared about the people, only to switch up once she was personally affected. We can quibble about who did worse all we want, but I do think character motivations and intentions do carry some significance, especially when it comes to development.

Braden Jackson

I believe people give jinx a pass cuase of her illness but situations where munipulated to make her more heartless also she was masked by grief it was a bad choice to go for her mother’s killer a few days after her death also I think motivation shouldn’t give on forgiveness over the other jinx’s has killed literal good people gleefully as they struggle to survive she does things on her own to purposely hurt others to help herself and silco also cait can’t be blamed for knowing what she was doing except for the hit on vi that was purposeful and she isn’t off the hook for that she was quite literally in a fog in act one and ambesa was doing her best to keep her in it but In this act she does much better than I thought I believe she deserves as much as a chance as jinx does if not more because she hasn’t yet directly killed people cause of that blindness like other characters but that is also due to the help of people like vi

Braden Jackson

She overloaded the gun along with the crystal cuasing the explosion at the end and for her and vander to get hit by shrapnel

Seachelle

My take on some of the writing intentions behind what Isha (the kid) did: We see Isha, determined and honestly pretty calm, choose to use multiple hextech gemstones (the stable version of hextech) in an attempt to save her family from a monster. And back in season 1, we saw Powder rashly and in panic use multiple hextech crystals (the unstable version of hextech) in an attempt to save her family from a monster. Even though other people likely died in the process, they ALL likely would have perished if not for Isha (either way their deaths are not on her, but on what they did to Vander). She is everything Powder wished she could have been back then: a “big fat hero”. And she was inspired by Jinx herself to be that hero. So basically Jinx’s first 100% healthy relationship was with a more self-assured version of her past self. The parallels in this season are not as clear for sure, but they are certainly there if you look.

Braden Jackson

I feel like people should be yellow for know once we get context we can reside red or green tho I’m leaning more on green

Braden Jackson

It’s fair while I don’t hate Caitlyn and believe in the point that almost every character has a motivation that people agree with I agree that some people don’t believe that it can make them like that character for instance I don’t like singed I think he is a extremely interesting character but his motivation to do what he does for his daughter didn’t make me like him so I understand that people would feel that way with Mitilda

Cody Simpson

I was expecting way more tears lol

Erin Ryan

I also think her conversation with Singed affected her. Singed has been doing absolutely heinous things for his daughter. She knows that she will be the same if she continued on this path

Erin Ryan

Viktor looks so majestic with his blond highlights and wrap dress

Erin Ryan

What Jinx really needed from Vi is for her to love JINX not powder and shes now able to do that please my heart

Erin Ryan

I love how Vi just follows suspicious looking people with no fear

Erin Ryan

I'm home now so I can watch the ending the episode and cry lol. Vander crying lava before turning into warwick is just so painful. Ishas sacrafice is so beautifully done its painful. The music, the animation of her time with jinx, her doing the figer gun gesture god

sheiroooo

Your opinion on Caitlyn and Vi's relationship kinda got me into the thought. Probably their feelings for each other never got away. We see clearly that both Vi and Caitlyn use different mechanisms to overcome what had happened between them in Episode 3. Caitlyn has an 'entaglement' with coworker and doesn't show any affection to her. Vi goes off by drinking and fighting. It's been like several months after Episode 3 and they are still coping with that fallout. I think Vi understands that something was clearly wrong with Caitlyn at the time they broke up. Caitlyn understands that she was in the wrong when she hit Vi. If you rewatch Caitlyn's reaction after she hit Vi in the Episode 3, just before she turns away, regret is showing on her face. In a split second. I bet she regretted this desicion immediately, but couldn't handle all emotions at once. Feelings are still there. It can also explain interaction in Episode 6. They never got over it, and this reunion just freshly opened what they both tried to shut off for months. They had to act quickly 'bout Vander situation, so they actually didn't have the time to speak about everything, be angry either.

Braden Jackson

Give Victor 3 days guys he’s gonna come back

Braden Jackson

I completely understand why Montana hates cait but you are being a bit to much on her especially with how other characters who do similar or worse stuff get less hate in the show

Braden Jackson

Also I do agree that it would be wrong to go for killing jinx now but in act one jinx killed people threatened people and literally said to cait and vis facing hoped you kissed because I’m going to kill her so she was a threat that would be rational to kill jinx only started being better after isha shilded her and until the prison scene she really only cared for isha and maybe sivika

Braden Jackson

Yea she has a clearer head a different look at things and a example with what the path she could go on looks like also she knows ambesa is using her

Braden Jackson

Me either tell the show was over it’s pretty funny

Braden Jackson

Dang cait must of hit you the wrong way I don’t think I’ve seen you this unforgiving with any other character besides pure evil villains of course

Braden Jackson

In the game one of caits lines are sorry fellas I left the fuzzy cuffs at home she is a freak

Juan Solo

As we saw last episode, Jinx's growth after adopting Isha is what allowed Vi to be able to accept her. Seeing the two interact in the cave showed Vi that even after everything Jinx has done, she's not "too far gone" like she believed. Jinx is capable of forming healthy relationships with others, she just needed to be given a chance (even Jinx herself was surprised by how much Isha cared for her in episode 3). Vander brought them back together, but it was Isha who mended the rift between both sisters.

Cody

Hey, the reason "The Final Glorious Evolution" is framed that way is for league players. That's one of Viktor's lines in the game, and everyone who knew that collectively yelled together when we heard it

HBelmont67

Right about that, stranger. Only character I could really put on my "s**t list" at the moment.

HBelmont67

I'm right there with her, for a change. Understanding be darned, she crossed the line.

HBelmont67

Let's do it. They NEEEEEED to see that one.

BlueEyedRaven

When Embessa is calling for Cate to take over Piltover as their "general", we see the flashback of Embessa pulling the strings on the attack in Ep1. My belief is that it was Cate putting two and two together but opting to go along with it to keep a close watch on Embessa (Keep your enemies closer). That's why I think there was a quick turn around of Cate stabbing Embessa in the back in this episode.

demonic-myst

magic absorbing material exists in leagues lore in domacia their is a forest made of wood that absorbes magic noxus normaly at war with domacia but could be domacia wood aka patricide i think its called or could be somthig else with same properties

demonic-myst

Warwick heals so he didnt become imoble like others conected to victor but the hexcore stuff 8s leaking out if him

demonic-myst

Its more a hive mind situation their all linked

Jon Wake

That's one interpretation.

mantis toboggan

"aptly" followed by "look at her!!" 😭😭😭

HBelmont67

Can't say that I have

Suplee215

A lot of cait's character up to this point is done subtley. It's easy to look at her and not know if she still thinks zaunites as animals and stuff. While I'll argue caitlyn is not on board with Ambessa's methods as shown, that isn't made clear.

Jon Wake

Long ramble On Cait's character arc-- In act 2 of this season, all of Cait's character growth is nonverbal, which makes is hard to see. Just like all the other main characters in the show, she has motivations that are in a state of dialectical tension. Jinx has her the tension between her self-identification as a monster and her desire to help people. Vi is struggling with seeing people as three-dimensional beings and not the archetypes she's put on them in her head. Cait, on the other hand, is trapped by her own disgust. Look at how she interacts with people in Season 1- she is warm, affectionate, open-hearted and pretty naïve. By the end of Act 1, she is fully consumed by hatred, guilt, and rage. But in reality, rage has a shelf-life. Just like when Jinx was done murdering the people that were about to grant sovereignty to the undercity and was left with emptiness and nihilism, Caitlyn is fully aware that she is now trapped by her sunk-cost fallacy. She wants to arrest or kill Jinx because, from her perspective, a psychopathic mass murderer is on the loose. If she captures her, all of her mistakes are worth it. In her mind, Jinx is a supervillain. A demon. The other side of Cait is that she's looking for an out. A way to get out from under Ambessa, a way to reign in the Noxians (you know, without getting killed.) You can see her when the Noxians are lining up outside Viktor's-- her eyes darting around, trying to figure out how to avoid a massacre. And then one shows up and calls her a mongoose. It doesn't go that way. But that's on Jayce. Anyway, right before it all goes really bad, Caitlyn sees Jinx hug her father, and her sisters. And you can just see the fury leave her. She's confused, shocked-- and Jinx doesn't pay her any mind at all. She doesn't laugh or mock her. She's not a supervillain. Just like how for the Jinxers in Ep 4 she wasn't a symbol. She's just a girl, not terribly different from Caitlyn. Vi smiles at her. I think it might be the only time Vi has smiled. Arcane is not a show about redemption. It's not a shonen that uses stock character arcs. It doesn't give easy answers or clear moral lessons. And that's why I love it.

MaSeshield9277

Yes Montana Yes Caitlin slander is correct

Gravy

I'm confused as to why people are saying this. She didn't flood the undercity with gas, she used it tactically as cover for the rare time their movements were above ground and only targeted gang establishments with it. Her strike team was a compromise against a full scale invasion which, even in the throes of grief, she was still trying to prevent. She also deferred to Vi's suggestions time and time again which is what directly lead to Jinx escaping. Vi knows this. It's why she spiraled the way that she did - it wasn't sadness at losing Cait, or the fact that Cait hit her so much as it was guilt and self loathing at making another person she loved into a monster. Vi understands full well what it's like to act out in the heat of anger, ruin something and then have to live with that regret. It's why she doesn't hold what Cait did against her. Not saying you specifically, but in general, I've never seen two characters so misunderstood. People holding grudges against their head canons instead of what is actually being shown in the show lol.

Eric C

as has been echoed in other comments here, caitlyn has definitely been wavering this act. in episode 4 after months of crackdowns, she's starting to realize that it's not working like she thought it would and going on longer than she ever anticipated. outright states that she doesn't trust ambessa to her face in that very episode. and then meeting singed/reveck and seeing how far he's willing to go? after his line about how people do despicable things out of love? probably hit home for her. and then in this episode, after reuniting with vi...she probably expected nothing but vitriol, but one of the first things she calls her is cupcake and we see how much it affects her in her face. then upon putting together that the monster she's hunting down there and vi's father are the same entity, i think that was the final straw for her. she knows from vi how much the loss of her family affected her in season 1. so then learning that he's alive and there's a chance to save him? i think b/c she couldn't save her mom, she was willing to go all in on vi to save her family. like we hear in vi's speech about trust. and as someone else pointed out, she doesn't even think about asking for forgiveness. all she can do is her best to make up for it now. WOW this is a paragraph, sorry lmao. i guess at the end of the day you don't *have* to like any given character just b/c most of the fandom does. but this is just why cait went from a character i really liked in s1 to one of my faves in s2. anyway, can't wait for ep 7 next week!

Braden Jackson

I agree you did a good and respectful way of saying it 😊

LowHorizon

It’s not a spoiler to say Isha is dead. They never provide a more definitive confirmation.

LowHorizon

“….Yeah…I mean that seemed like death” 😂

Braden Jackson

Also we saw in episode 3 and 4 that the goons vi and cait fight with the grey survived with no long lasting effect from the grey even tho they were probably exposed for a long time the grey doesn’t do permanent damage in short burst it works like a combination of tear gas and fog in short burst and the reason they did it was so they can travel through the vents give them a advantage over the people they are fighting and it is a recognizable gas that anyone who isn’t a goon or boss would leave once they saw it and vi said that it was able to keep innocents away from battle and harm while I agree it is bad to be using it they are going against the idea of a hex invasion while trying to convince them that 5 people 2 juniors 1 homeless man 1 undercity person they don’t know and a girl who has a bad record at the academy can go against mechanically advanced drug lords and super syco a d literally super zombies so they had to use desperate measures we saw in season one that when they tried invading a single factory a kid died so this is sadly their best option

Wendy Wang

Well articulated - and I'm glad Kenny also gave grace + the benefit of the doubt to Caitlyn 🙏

Gravy

Exactly this. It seems like people could have bad reactions to it individually but almost all of Piltover was gassed and everyone seemed fine except for that one kid. The gangster was inhaling it for who knows how long and didn't seem particularly concerned. When Jinx ducks out of the arcade that is filled with gas, there isn't even any lingering on the street. It was never indiscriminately used. People treating it like Bhopal or something is wild to me. Interestingly, out of all the criticisms, I still can't find one person suggesting a better course of action.

Luke

Yall should watch Vinland saga next

Braden Jackson

I am curious why are you hateful if cait when jinx had killed good people with a smile while they struggle for their lives or when Jayce kills a kid and acts like nothing happened a day later or vi telling him to forget or when Silco drugs the poor gas challengers and give away people’s lively hoods like toys jinx herself in act one has done just as many bad things as cait so why do you hate her more and don’t believe in flexibility

HBelmont67

Gave Dr. Stone a try. Not sure about it, yet.

Strike177

The reason Warwick was enraged was because of the scientist not Victor, if you look the scientist was knocked out not dead and was left in that room alone with Vander.

Jeffwitdacurls

Vander goes crazy because Singed woke up and injected him with serum that would "prohibit Victor's success ". They showed Singed standing in the building after Vander losses control.

Jinchuriki87

And on the third day, he rose from the dead 🤣🤣

Karlsmithwashere

Yeah to me very quickly the commune became very obviously Lovecraftian. The entire style of it in the architecture and way the commune members act is pretty telltale. Despite the appearance of good being done in the commune there’s definitely something “off” with it all.

fr0st

One thousand percent agreed with Montana's non-slander (not slander if it's facts) of Cait. Girl owes Vi an apology AT THE VERY LEAST, that was a dirty and shitty move she pulled to just toss her away like trash the second Vi stood up to her instead of enabling or using her descent into dictatordom like everyone else around her

fr0st

And yes, you are correct, Kenny, the Jayce pics were basically supporting or not supporting or being undecided on whether Jayce was doing something good or if he had just completely lost it. A fun little time before the next arc came out to show the rest of the story

devilish

I hope you guys one day watch Beastars😭 its so good!

horohoro69

I think the song being in Chinese is a pretty clever way to represent Isha's communication issues. Most viewers won't understand the lyrics, but it clearly conveys emotions. It could have been any non-english langage but Riot also made a point to represent all their biggest player bases through the music of this season and China is HUGE on the League of Legends scene.

Braden Jackson

I do agree that vi is owed a apology i think the only reason why it hasn’t happened yet is because most people associate apologies with asking for forgiveness and that isn’t what can’t wants she don’t seem to want forgiveness for her actions just to be a better person than the monster she was earlier but I do agree that some sort of apology would go a long way

Braden Jackson

Got the Mecha Christ fit on and is rocking it hard can’t wait to see how he will look after 3 days rest

fr0st

One of the reasons I disliked Cait this season (no spoilers and yes I know she has her fans, this is just IMO) is how she's privileged and we see her trying to be a normal person and have sympathy for the zaunites in s1 and then as soon as she has skin in the game she immediately switches to dehumanizing the very people Vi comes from. If you're a POC especially, the "I thought you were one of the good ones" line hits hard. It's a great representation of the kind of tourism privileged people can often partake in: caring about others until it hits home. I get that she's grieving but I'm making Vi turn cop with her, she's basically made Vi turn against her whole people for her sake and then discards Vi so now Vi has literally nobody left. I don't imagine class traitors are welcome in Zaun after VI's been tear-gassing them so Vi loses absolutely everything FOR Cait and is owed some kind of sincere apology and remorse from Cait or they should not even be friendly. Maybe due to lack of time this season but it skips too quickly to working together with no conversations about the past for me.

demonic-myst

Thats a fantjeory but no evidence supirting it not a singke frame actualy shows him do anything only frames that linked is victor

HBelmont67

This. 100% this. Caitlin's just a prissy Piltie in DESPERATE need of some humble pie.

HBelmont67

I had no idea this was even a thing. 😅

HBelmont67

Was it actually three days for Viktor?

fr0st

A very brief thing for a while between Act 2 and 3 this season but I saw it. A fun one, since we don't actually have any context for Jayce actions yet so it's all up to discussion till you see the next eps

HBelmont67

Forreal. SHE GOT HIM SHOT.

Braden Jackson

Cait was munipulated into dehumanizing them and also vi does the same with lilt over for the entire city and she did the same thing cait did also either most didn’t know vi worked with them or after she started her successful fighting career they didn’t care but they don’t seem to have a problem with her and while grief dose not justify some of her actions like hitting vi it does explain her seeing things in black and white and it increasing her lazer focus way on things also we still see during and after act 1 that she still sympathizes with zunites she also does not do any of the things she did after her grief was lessened I do agree that vi deserves an apology I do agree that her actions are wrong but what confuses me is that people let other characters in this show either have less slack or understand it more less people hate silco when he sees zuanites as useable expendable resources and most of the time when he talks about the hardships they go through he is trying to manipulate people or when Jayce literally shot a kid felt bad for a day then has no remorse or faces zero consequences or when jinx kills firelight ( which are the most good people are in the show) with a smile playing has they struggle to live or when she does actions that affect everyone negatively and doesn’t have remorse didn’t apologize to anyone except vi and vander or Mel literally sudsing and manipulating Jayce in season one to get what she want and only stops after falling in love and the treat of her mother wanting the same thing and she doesn’t do anything to suggest she feels remorse i understand why people don’t like Caitlyn and I am not trying to say we need to forget the past or that you should love her now but it’s odd that people will constantly hate her and ignore her reasons when people don’t with other characters they like more or are not as attached to their crimes sorry for the essay but this is just something that has confused me about arcane fans sorry if I sounded rude or disrespectful that wasn’t my intention

fr0st

Manipulated into being racist or dehumanizing towards people is still being racist or dehumanizing, btw.

Braden Jackson

That is true but 1 so was jinx and vi 2 she wasn’t racist but dehumanizing isn’t really any better 3 she didn’t stay that way she says those things at peak moments of her anger but we see her reflect on them in a negative/confusing way but ambesa was manipulating her to try and not look back and change that but to keep her in that state

Braden Jackson

I believe it was at least 2 we know that it was multiple days but not how many it would be halarious if they made it 3 days

fr0st

There's a big difference, though. Cait is literally one of the most privileged people in the privileged part of the city. Everyone in Zaun barely has breathable air till recently, much less any money or protection or anything from the government, which is the whole problem. Cait enacting violence on them because of her personal grief is different to Jinx blowing up some cops and stealing shit from Piltover.

fr0st

+100, I thought it was super clever. You don't need to understand the words to get the gist of the emotions of the song, as with Isha's communication

Braden Jackson

Thanks it was a bit confusing at first for me

fr0st

Absolutely changed actions and making amends is a great way to show changed behavior but that physical attack and abandoning of Vi was so personal, I want her pain to be acknowledged. You know Vi would never ever in a million years ever physically hurt someone she loves if she was frustrated with them and it was simply out of line. I can't get over forgiveness for Cait until that happens personally because it's brutal and she knowingly does it and Vi did not deserve to be treated so badly.

Braden Jackson

I believe the grey caused victors sickness or it helped advance it but he lived there where it was stated to be leaking he possibly had a weaker immune system and no family or shelter so it can be deadly but the way they used it wasn’t deadly also I think they might of made it better cuase they were able to reactivate vents in places they weren’t working but jinx helped more by completely removing it to the upercity

HBelmont67

Long-lasting or no, toxic is toxic.

Braden Jackson

While one of the reasons is to avenge her moms death jinx bombed the local leaders of piltover and then murdered many civilians during a funeral and cait chose a less violent route to deal with the issue than what others had along with that she tries to go against her privilegedness excepts when it benefits bet to lean into it like with salo, her freeing vi, informing ekko about her being friends with a councilor and she does realize down in the UC how privileged she is finally jinx don’t just stole shit she stole a power source and notes to use it that could power literal lasers super gloves and what they feared a extremely dangerous weapon also we are shown that cait vi and the team search for jinx in a much safer smarter and kinder way for civilians than the enforcers have in the past while vi and jinx have more long last reasons to dehumanize and hate piltover that dosnt mean we should give more hate to cait especially with how we are leanest with other characters some that have done worse than cait

Braden Jackson

I do agree that it would be much smoother if they have more time with caits transition and the vi team up

leafieking

An essay(no spoilers) on Cait this season because I want people to understand her character so badly: Over the course of this entire series, we, the audience, have been shown characters who make harsh, brash, and detrimental decisions both to themselves and to the people around them. Frequently, those bad decisions result in severe consequences and shift the direction of the entire story. For Vi, her moment was when she snapped at Powder, hit her, and called her a jinx because, while she had more than every right to be terrified and angry, it still caused harm in the long run that she deals with YEARS later after being freed from solitary confinement and discovering what her sister has turned into. To name a few other examples, Jayce orders a blockade at the bridge between Piltover and Zaun, Viktor turns to dark sources to save himself, Vander turned to violence against Silco, and Silco returned that violence ten fold and became a drug lord even after Vander's death. Everyone commits harmful decisions. Caitlyn, however, seems to get the most hate for hers. Obviously, it's understandable. Her actions were sudden and more than a little questionable in act one, and her privilege makes it hard to find sympathy for her actions. But I think it's also VERY important to note the moments that led her down this path and her mind through the path itself. In s1, she was nothing but open-minded towards the people of Zaun; was one of the few folk in Piltover who cared about them at all after learning the truth. This open-mindedness even stretched so far as to reach Jinx. Jinx was the source of her investigation, all the questions she had, answered, and yet, she was willing to hear Vi out about saving her. All in all, after getting blown up and robbed by Jinx in act 2 of s1, she was pretty kind with her later decisions regarding everything. Jinx, on the other hand, DESPISED Caitlyn from the start. She held both personal vendetta against her for her closeness with Vi (misplaced) and a more broad grievance with her privilege as an enforcer and Piltovian (understandable). This of course brings us to act 3 of s1: Caitlyn and Vi split, Caitlyn (mere hours later) is kidnapped while naked from a shower in her own home, forced to experience whatever Jinx put her through in the in-between scenes, threatened with murder, witnesses Jinx ask Vi (the person she was yearning for, again, mere hours earlier) to murder her, and finally watches as her mom gets blown sky high right in front of her eyes. Listen, I don't know about everyone else, but I'd kinda lose my shit too if I was in her position. Anyway. Caitlyn spends act 1 of s2 being a simmering ball of rage as a result of these moments. Her vision is tunneled and her mind is narrowed, her only focus being revenge, and the only breaks in that focus being Vi. Act one takes place over the course of a week or so, so you can imagine the grief within her is practically palpable. She's lost herself to it and makes hasty, aggressive decisions because of it. Ultimately, as we know, this culminates in the argument between herself and Vi. She runs away, leaving Vi in the dust, guided only by rage and grief and pain. At this point, our resident wolf, Ambessa, sees a perfect victim to strike at. What better puppet, what better pawn in her game of war to manipulate than a 23 year old girl who's just lost everything including herself? Ambessa was even the person behind the attack during the memorial (a massive push to Caitlyn's anger). I'm not here trying to get people to say Caitlyn's actions were fine ones. They weren't. But I NEED people to understand that most everyone else, if put in her shoes, would have behaved the same way. Zaun has EVERY right to loathe Piltover, but Caitlyn has a personal right to loathe Jinx. On top of that, she was being actively manipulated by a master-manipulator and warmonger from the moment she donned that cloak (and arguably before). Gassing innocents is never okay and is, in fact, police brutality. However, the other option proposed by the council that she prevented by doing this was a full-scale invasion using violence and murder as a means to control all of Zaun with fear and an army of enforcers. Her entire plan was to use a small squadron to find Jinx, kill her, and eliminate Silco's loyalists (more evil goons and drug-lords). Again, her methods were questionable at best, but still FAR more focused and FAR from the evil Salo had proposed in episode one. Finally, we reach act 2, and six months have passed since the events of act 1. The first scene we're shown is one of Caitlyn in darkness, having sought out the unhealthy coping mechanism of sex and avoidance. We see others of her conversations with Ambessa where she's clearly lost of a lot of her previous rage, while Ambessa quite literally stokes the fire to force that rage upon her once more. Caitlyn spends a lot of act 2 in quiet contemplation, notably in ways that seem questioning of herself and Ambessa, and how fruitless her search for revenge had turned out to be. Every scene of her is a thoughtful one, with imagery being the main story-telling device in place of dialogue that moves her character arc forward. Visually, she is repenting. Visually, she is conflicted. Visually, she's begun to hate her actions and, therefore, herself. You can imagine being surrounded almost solely by Ambessa as though she were in a toxic relationship with her wouldn't really allow for many moments of escape or the courage to change. Then Vi miraculously reappears. She's different, but so is Caitlyn. Six months have passed, and, all the while, Caitlyn has been searching for an out. So when Vi says she's trying to help her dad, when she calls Caitlyn cupcake and implies there's a hint of hope for reconciliation, when Vi is the wonderfully chivalrous and righteously stark contrast to Ambessa's unending spite, Caitlyn sees her out. She switches sides as she's been wanting to do, seemingly, for months. It's Vi's inherent understanding, affection, and forgiveness that gives her the courage to start a change. It's always been Vi. To me, their reunion is a beautiful one. A plan to break free isn't forgiveness, and conversations should still be had between the two, but they did what they could in the moment: a promise to acknowledge the harder things later and just get through the motions of today while they had the chance. To me, this isn't exactly romance, but it is a level of intimacy that could lead to the continuation of one. It's trust, and it's a really solid mid-point for Caitlyn Kiramman's deeply complicated character arc in season 2. Sorry about the massive ramble here, but I think, moving into act 3, this spiel might be an important one to consider for both Caitlyn and Vi.

Braden Jackson

Yea I agree with that people have a right to hate cait but I’m also extremely confused by how they let other people actions go with less hate or less constant hate I like the show don’t tell they are doing with her and I do enjoy the re team up and the signifies of it I think people would probably have a better understanding of it if the show was longer and we see the shift more but still thought it was good

Braden Jackson

Yea that is true also this doesn’t count to much cuase she was I believe 15 to 16 but vi slapped powder and called her a jinx who killed everyone cuase of her anger but she was a kid so it isn’t a direct comparison to cait

Juan Solo

Well said! Absolutely perfect summary of Caitlyn's arc (so far) this season. One of the many things Arcane gets right is the facial animation, and Caitlyn's subtle development this season is the best example of this.

Juan Solo

To be fair, Cait had no idea Marcus was working for Silco, or that the Enforcers as a whole were corrupt. She also didn't know about the bridge lockdown.

fr0st

That's a lot and spoilery for future episodes but I wouldn't call tear gassing the public to search for one fugitive kind at all. She's literally on a vendetta for personal reasons and the attack on the council is an excuse to exercise her power and privilege. Mel stands against all of this and is outvoted. Cait just takes over and decides to make the piltover police force her personal revenge squad and physically attacks Vi when she won't go as far as she wants.

fr0st

I agree but the conversations you mention are never had so we get nothing. Changed behavior is good but no acknowledgement of wrongdoing is not any kind of healthy basis to any relationship and Vi deserves better after sacrificing literally everything in her life for Cait, including turning class traitor, joining the police force that killed her parents and many other zaunites, and even being prepared to kill her sister (which is mostly deserved, absolutely but still a BIG thing). Cait being driven by revenge is fine and understandable. Her talking the talk about poverty tourism in S1 and immediately dehumanizing Vi's people is absolutely garbage behavior and all it took was tragedy hitting closer to home. Mel remains privileged and still stands against the use of excessive force but is outvoted, as a comparison of similar age and power. Cait is not even on the council but decides to use the kirraman power and privilege to create her own little revenge force from cops and use hextech weapons (something the council never agreed to do officially) because she could to go after those "animals".

Aster

I feel like all the hate on Cait is so forced. "Personal reasons" guys her mom was killed in front of her, I feel like we tend to forget what that can do to people. Of course that doesn't justify what Cait did as right but it makes sense, right before killing her mom jinx had literally kidnapped her hours prior while she was naked in the bathroom, then started begging vi to kill her. Obviously she's gonna hate her, not just that but she killed lot a of innocent people in both piltover and the undercity. But before this cait was one of the only people in piltover to have a open mind towards the people of zuan, she was sympathetic and kind, she didnt understand what they where going throught because she had been raised like that, she was raised to belive that the undercity had bad people, you cant just expect someone to not be ignorant about something until they see it for themselves. What cait did was wrong but a lot of other charecters did the same amount of damage or worse so why is she the only charecter im seeing getting a lot of hate, i feel like its because shes from piltover and i get that a lot of people have hate for the rich, i mean me included but Cait was very different compared to the other people in piltover. Btw I love jinx and cait so im not being biased guys🙏

Braden Jackson

Vi became a “traitor” when she helped convince Jayce to raid a factory and kill a kid I do believe that cait should apologize to vi also there is still act 3 so hope for the best

Braden Jackson

Also cait since the beginning didn’t agree with what people did to the UC but was peerless to stop it then ambesa gave her that power after insuring she can use cait to her advantage so the Mel comparison isn’t the greatest

Braden Jackson

Yea and Mel would have needed to agree to the vote cait wasn’t a dictator before so she can’t make demands to the level before but she made a plan that the council members can agree with to out vote salo

fr0st

So what I recall is 1) Cait is a "decorated officer" and marches in, tells the council to shut it and does what she thinks is best i.e. her little police force with hextech weapons. Then 2) ambessa nominates her for dictatorship basically without the council's input when neither she nor Caitlin have any official power to overrule the council. In both cases Cait is not on the council, she's just the head of the rich and influential house and so people just go along with her name. This is explicitly talked about in the show dialogue multiple times.

Dragi

You nailed this, King Ash. Really explained it well imo.

Dragi

It literally is tho.. ????

Dragi

agreed

Dragi

Demacia* and Petricite*, but yes you are right

Ricky Bobby

Kenny's right, "Glorious Evolution" is important. It's Viktor's voice line in LoL, and I think he says it when you select him at the start of a game

Braden Jackson

In the first episode we find out she inherited her mothers spot on the council also what she did there and ambesa did in 3 is what’s known as aggressive negotiations for ambesa and a good pitch from cait they can’t force the council so they make it seem like the best option cait storming in with a better plan than full invasion and making salo look small along with her being the new councilor of an important house made them agree then ambesa gathered enough concilors and important families so she could manipulate them all into making cait a dictator and if someone didn’t agree they see that they would piss of 90 percent of the people with the most political and economical power in the city so they shut up both situations show them doing a tactic to get people/ the council to agree with there idea

Braden Jackson

Also salo talking about caits name holding power is about him not arguing against het since it would already be a downhill fight since her reputation is better than his

Braden Jackson

Yea the point is that it was the best solution for the problem at hand imagine hex and shimmer fighting in populated streets or 100s of enforcers raiding the place it was sadly the best option in a terrible situation one that is commonly used in real life I was also pointing out that while it was still bad it wasn’t as bad as everyone thinks

fr0st

Where does it state that she inherited any kind of seat on the council? From what we've seen it's a vote to add people and she's not called councillor ever after her mother dies so seems a bit of an assumption.

fr0st

I didn't say salo is arguing against her just that we can see explicitly that he and others talk about her family name being powerful enough to give her a lot of clout for no other reason than that name.

Braden Jackson

It was implied that by inheriting the key she inherites her mothers seat at the table when saw a vote happen with Jayce because he is a family that wasn’t on the table or strong enough to be a runner up so they took a vote and her being able to be bossy with the concilors further helps implie it

fr0st

The key is for their house leadership, nothing to do with the council.

fr0st

Again you're assuming a lot. We never heard anything about any family seats. Jayce is added by someone nominating him and voting him in, not heimerdinher's kid. The seats are never said to be hereditary

Braden Jackson

Yea it was not said not to be either we are given information and it’s up to use to decide the information given made me think she inherited her seat in the council but it could also be she convinced enough of the councilors to vote against salo either way she didn’t do what she did without the councilors approval

fr0st

But hang on, when do we see this approval happening? Like I said, she initially tells Salo to STFU as "a decorated officer" and decides to take her task force in. Next we see her elevated to dictator by Ambessa. At no point do we see her being on the council or getting their input at all. Especially after she's basically the leader, she decides what to do, not the council, which is basically just clockwork person left anyway since salo is drugged up all the time or a half robot, and Mel and Jayce are both missing.

Braden Jackson

The approval for ambesa was no one objecting and seeing agreement for cait they cut after the shot of the task force so they most likely agreed after hearing her plan in detail

fr0st

That is literally just taking over and implementing martial law, though. There is no approval, she just bumps up Cait while not being on the council herself either and plants people to agree along with using the kiramann name. Again, none of this is council discussed or approved, it's just Ambessa and Cait taking over power because they can

Braden Jackson

She had salo a councilor back her up

fr0st

She manipulated him into calling everyone over so that she's prop HIM up as dictator but she double crosses him. It's not council approval if you conspired with one council member to make him dictator without council approval either, just switching the target.

Braden Jackson

She still had her approval in the details she didn’t say it was going to be him in public so when she said Caitlyn she gave her and salos approval for cait and before salo could object rictus threatened him she did switch targets but the only one who knew is salo and rictus

Braden Jackson

I’m sure he is having the time of his life or internal damnasion

Braden Jackson

Also the only current council member not there was mel

fr0st

Buddy that is not how councils work. Salo can't just decide things by himself in his living room and you call it a council approved decision. Things are raised and discussed at the council meetings and officially voted on and then they are either approved or not. Salo is literally making a bid for being the dictator and Ambessa plays him into summoning everyone for an announcement. Martial law is literally that the leader is taking over without approval from the government and backed by the military force to do it. I don't know how long I can keep repeating this but they do not have council approval and Cait and Ambessa are not council folks.

Braden Jackson

Yes but that isn’t what happened salo called a meeting suggested to hear ambesas advice and she suggested ML and to elect cait as a leader and no one aposing it and people saluting and looking happy showed that nobody disagreed

fr0st

Again that is not how councils work. Ambessa told Salo to call.in anyone with any influence just to propose martial law and use cait's name to legitimise it. This is literally nothing to do with the council and is not a council meeting. I'm not sure how that could be any clearer because we've seen council meetings before in the show and this is literally just calling everyone who has any influence to try and get some endorsement for martial law

Braden Jackson

Yes and through that indorcment they were able to make the council agree to it just because cait put on the cloak dosn’t mean she was the dictator at that moment I am sorry cuase I don’t think I was clear on what I believe was being shown I believe that when ambesa had salo call the meeting with everyone important besides people who A don’t want war like Mel or B wouldn’t trust salo or Ambesa and once she convinced that room to nominate Caitlyn after that they made her dictator because the only concilor not there was Mel and she disappeared before she could object like she was going to also the scene is a mixture or the rich and proper of piltover with the warrior like enjoyment of noxus she basically made them put cait in power in her own way through deceit and manipulation

fr0st

I can't really argue with you when you are literally making up imaginary scenes that have no context or subtext indication. Explicitly, Salo is told to summon everyone with any power in Piltover and he does. This is specifically so that they can stage a coup and Salo at the time believes its to install him as dictator (explicitly having power above and beyond the Council's) but Ambessa has done this because she knows Cait's name hold weight for these very people and they will not oppose her propping up a Kiramann as dictator. There is no scene before or after that suggests they then respectfully submit to the Council to get their approval. There is literally a dialogue option that has Ambessa saying it's Martial Law. In case you are unfamiliar, Martial Law is when The Military specifically overrules the government and laws and takes over completely IN PLACE OF the actual governing body or person leading the government. Cait is one thousand percent being "crowned" the dictator in this very scene and everyone else is supporting her because of her family name. Ambessa has the one strong military force in her personal command and Cait has the other with her Hextech Squad of Pilties. They are taking over by force, period. There is no empowering officially of Cait taking over because that would simply be ridiculous BECAUSE Piltover is run by a Council of people, not one person. Even if there was one person voted to take over, it would be someone from the Council approved by the others ON THE COUNCIL TOGETHER, not some twenty-year-old who has zero experience in life or anything except being basically a low-ranking police officer. I don't really understand what part of any of this is up for discussion, it's literally in the show, all of it.

Braden Jackson

One the reason people would trust cait is because she is a experienced officer especially with the UC she is part of the most influential house in piltover and the war expert they brought in recommended her 2 your right they didn’t go and turn in a official request like I said at the end of my last post every councilor was there and they all agreed they didn’t need paper work when they agreed to invade in episode one we saw that if the majority agree then they do it and the majority and most other powerful families agreed so they literally went with it the only one in the room to not agree was the shield goat but he couldn’t stop it and salo who was just threatened so she was basically elected in a very unique way

Braden Jackson

Also the scene I was “making up” were my interpretations on things that were specifically left to interpretation or you didn’t understand me which would most likely be my fault so sorry

fr0st

Again, I think you are conflating "every councillor being in the room" with an actual council vote. That's simply not how government works. You can't have people including councillors in a room at a party and then say because nobody objected to your idea at that party, that the council agreed to it. There is a process and meetings that need to happen. Martial Law is against that process, superceding the actual government's workings. Salo did not vote for Cait to take over. Why would he possibly? He wants to be the one to take over. Why would the other councillor vote for Salo or Cait to take over either? It makes no sense at all. They are the actual career politicians who have been on the council and Cait is literally a junior officer who was assigned to guard a tent, fired by Marcus, and is literally going off her last name at this point with this "Decorated officer" business. She's not in any position of power, it's literally just her name that Ambessa uses and Caitlin uses to seize control and do what they want.

fr0st

Yes interpretations != facts. You can think that but it's not a fact and I can dispute it because there is no actual information about that happening, it's just what you think happened because it makes sense to you.

Braden Jackson

That would be correct if they didn’t show us this season them in a room saying to Mel it’s 2 against 1 we invade then the meeting is done they clearly don’t do politics in their situation the same as we do

Braden Jackson

That is true sorry for making interpretations sound factual

drew

caitvi reminds me so much of catradora

Jenny D

Interestingly, the fans who hate Caitlyn so much are kind of in the same mindset this act as Caitlyn was in act 1, their judgement being clouded by anger to the point that they miss/ignore things. Caitlyn ignored the fact that Vi stepped aside and let Caitlyn take the shot that ended up being at a reflection, before the fight in episode 3. Vi only stopped her when an innocent child got involved. The fans miss how Caitlyn’s been doubting Ambessa throughout act 2, so to them her switching sides seems to come out of nowhere.

Ferret

I think it's fair to point out about Vi that she's forgiven her sister at this point for multiple attempted murders *of her* and a devastating terrorist attack that killed her girlfriend's mom and sent said girlfriend spiraling into fascism. I think she also recognizes that CAit's actions when they last saw each other weren't really CAit, they were all of Cait's anger and grief being misdirected at the closest thing she had to blame. So her just kinda rolling with CAit now is actually very in character for her. Healthy, not particularly, at the very least a conversation is due about their last interaction and apologies need to be made, but from her POV, this is just normal relationship shit. Her experience with close relationships outside Vander and Ekko is hurting each other and then forgiving each other.

Jenny D

I am curious what makes Caitlyn less redeemable than say, Catra? Both were in their early 20s during their dictator eras. Is it because she and Vi kissed before the moment with the butt of the rifle? Because Catra was much more physically violent with Adora throughout the series, including trying to kill her, but they’d never been physically romantic before then. To be clear, I say all this as both a CaitVi and Catradora shipper. I’m just honestly a bit shocked by the level of vitriol for Caitlyn here and I’m trying to understand.

Juan Solo

Exactly! Vi is definitely going to be forgiving because she's been in the same position as Caitlyn, only back then she didn't get the chance to make things right with Powder. Sure, addressing Caitlyn's actions and/or getting an apology would've been nice, but saving Vander was more important to Vi in that moment, and Cait was willing to help.

kon miller

not to beat a dead horse with this argument, but caitlyn was dehumanising zaunites long before she and ambessa met officially (at least in season 2.) cait said verbatim, “i understand how easy it is to hate them now,” and called zaunites as a collective “animals.” also: where at any point did jinx murder innocent civilians at a funeral? what are you talking about? the only murders jinx is actively and explicitly responsible for are the councillors, enforcers and firelights, which isn’t to say that those were right, but don’t be disingenuous and inflammatory to make moral justifications.

Miki

Literally dying at explosions being vague. Sweet summer children, she was ground zero. You don't get a death montage AND live

Derek Chase

“I don’t think they have that kind of relationship anymore”

Teib _21

Best episode for me is next ☺️

Alayna Petty

I’m not sure if you noticed but during Aisha’s Isha’s flashbacks jinx’s eyes would flash to blue. She got to see powder 💙 🥺

Alayna Petty

Also in the episode where Jinx has to break everyone out of prison, right when Sevika told her, the voices and hallucinations came back. If you look closely you can see a little Isha hallucination shooting away the others to protect Jinx😭

Alayna Petty

Singed def gave Warwick that serum to undo Victors work right before he went lava mode. That’s why he’s alone in the dark room at the start of the battle.