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Buffy Season 7 Thoughts :) (Patreon)

Published:
2024-07-31 18:29:36
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2024-07

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a lot of rambling (as is expected in my wrap up videos), and this vid was definitely a hard one to film, since understanding my feels on this season has been quite a challenge. def still need some time to rewatch/process but as of now, these are the thoughts, and i'm sharing them!!

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BUFFY SEASON 7 DISCUSSION

TIME STAMPS: 00:00 - General Thoughts 1:18:00 - Character Arcs 1:33:40 - Relationships n/a - Season 8 Predictions.... I am so sad?

Comments

zerofk

I'm with you on Storyteller. The only "original" thing it did was use the Tales from the Crypt format. It did not endear me to Andrew at all.

Ron Fehr

Whereas I liked Andrew for the humor that he brought to the show. Granted, it's not for everyone. What I liked was that he seemed to think that he was more important than he actually was, and that made for a wierd character.

Shaun Houghton

Got 29 minutes in, and understood nothing that was said. I'm done with this.

Ron Fehr

I don't know if it was really that important that we got too attached to the Potentials. The main arc in the end was Buffy (and Faith) willingly letting other girls share their powers. The Potentials were basically just the future of the Slayer line, and their stories were not really relevant to the show, although perhaps a mini-spinoff with Potential back-stories might have been interesting.

Ron Fehr

One thing that didn't quite make sense with Anya's death was how it happened. It looked like the bringer slashed her, but how could it have slashed so far down? Wouldn't the bringer's blade at least hit some bone on the way down?

Ron Fehr

One thing that brought back some nostalgic emotions further into this season was Anya's episode (#5 I think). The argument with Buffy, Xander and Willow, when Buffy talks about having to kill Angel. Ander mention of Xander relaying Willow's message, "kick his ass." Willow: "I didn't say that."

Khanach

Ok, it took me a while to be in the mood to endure your season 7 hater rant (😛), but now I’ve done it and here are my season thoughts that probably no one will read at this point: I like it. It’s not my favourite by any means, but I enjoy many of the things they went for. I agree with you in many of the issues you mentioned, even if they don’t bother me as much. I also prefer the first half of the season, the pacing felt more adequate; the second half suffers from they wanted to include so many of the ideas they probably had planned to include in the following seasons, they should air any day now (I'm the president of Denial Inc., you can be the janitor). It gains on rewatches, because you already know what they will or won’t do, so it allows you to understand better some things, or even pick up some stuff that was going in the background that gets buried under potentials being annoying, or Andrew being annoying, or Spike being annoying. By the way, I don’t think rewatching “Storyteller” will improve it for you if you don’t find Andrew at least funny, but if you’re doing it anyway, you could do an interesting exercise: think of Andrew as the metaphorical fandom (you know, idealising some characters while completely ignoring others’ flaws, making up entire plotlines to fit their headcannon…) On a couple of things that don’t bother me as much: Anya’s death. Of course it’s sad, but I felt the intent: make you feel like they could actually lose, that anyone could die. And since that conversation with Andrew at the hospital, I knew that it was going to be a sudden, random death, though I expected both of them to die. And to be fair, after 7x05 Anya was getting the same treatment Cordelia got after 3x09, she was just there, occasionally providing, as she said, “much needed sarcasm”. Another one: the Betrayal. It used to piss me off BIG TIME, but the more I watched it (and it’s a tough watch) the more I see that a) there were signs that Buffy was detaching herself from everyone in her attempt to steel herself and be the best possible general, and b) Buffy's plan was complete bonkers and of course no one wouldn’t follow her to that. And she was the one who said “I can’t stay here and watch you…”, so she made it too easy for them to follow on that. So, it still annoys me that they’re so bad at communicating, but it no longer feels like bad writing. Another one: the finale. I like it. It’s not my favourite finale, but it’s good enough. I was so afraid they were going to drop the ball hard, that when they didn’t (imho, of course) I felt SO relieved, and so I probably rate it above its merits as a standalone episode. I still have more thoughts, but it’s enough rambling for today. Sorry if anybody had to read all that lol So, next Buffy episode when?

StephanieB

First of all, I read your comment! Secondly, I gave you a like not because I agree with everything you said (although I agree with a lot- the main point being that this season is better on rewatches)- but regardless, I appreciate the sentiment. Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful comment.

Khanach

I appreciate you taking the time to read it!

StephanieB

Hi Domi, You may never read this but just in case... I think the First (Evil) hated Buffy so much because, as you may remember, "She alone will stand against the vampires, the demons and the forces of darkness...She is the slayer...". So, you know, if you're evil and your plan is to, like, take over the world with your dark evilness, then probably your first move is to take out the slayer line. Re: The history and lore of the slayer: I feel that the show did address this in S7, particularly in 07x15 "Get it Done". That was the episode with the Shadow Men and the story of how they chained the first slayer to the earth in order to, uh, imbue her with some demon essence in order to make her strong enough to be a protector. Perhaps that wasn't enough backstory for you, but they did at least try to address it. As far as further digging into what it means to be a slayer-- I kind of see the entire series as a deep dive into that question. Buffy has spent years protecting others, sacrificing herself over and over for those she loves and those she has never even met. She is a martyr but she is no saint. She is physically strong but also emotionally vulnerable. As the slayer, she has fought the worlds' demons and her own personal demons, usually simultaneously. She rebelled against this mantle that was forced upon her, then accepted it and eventually embraced it, choosing to mold it into what she wanted it to be- much like anyone's journey into adulthood. The final season and the finale may not be perfect but it strives to tie up myriad loose ends and I feel the final message, "Slayers, every one of us", is beautiful and meaningful. I hope upon rewatch you can see that too. Thank you for taking us with you on your Buffy journey, Domi. You are adorable and your enthusiasm for the show is a joy to watch!

Sarah_J_Salerno

I actually disagree about Giles and what you think he would or wouldn’t do. Did we forget his actions in Helpless? Did we forget his outburst about Dawn in the Gift? Did we forget him Killing Ben knowing it was against Buffy’s beliefs? Giles has always been a product of the patriarchy. Whilst he loves Buffy and his relationship with her is genuine. He has always had flaws and has at times been misguided by his own beliefs. And although it was hard to watch, I actually think it’s important for Buffy to realise that just because he loves her, it doesn’t mean she should ignore her own beliefs and instincts. She needs to find her own path. I think the issues with season 7 are that it is quite plot driven and some of our characters feel distant from the narrative. Some of the messages behind the stories are harder to see on the face of it. A lot of people focus on the story of the slayer on a very surface level, the slayer is essentially a symbol of power and a path to adulthood. The messages are very covered in metaphor and hard to see on first viewing. I found that you need to watch it a few times to really see the story it is telling. It’s actually really quite complex. For example storyteller is extremely meta and actually really important even though initially at the surface seems like a comedic bit. It is about how we tell stories to try and find meaning and how Buffy’s speeches are her trying to fill a leader role that she doesn’t yet feel qualified or comfortable to do. We tell stories to hide the truths that we can’t face. But really we need to face ourselves. Andrew’s redemption Arc is actually part of Buffy’s mission. It’s not about the audiences opinion. Buffy has always believed in redemption. It’s why after Anya made the decision to reverse her actions in selfless and give her own life, the very next episode she goes to her house, saves her life and then invites her into her home. She believes people can be redeemed and their redemption is actually a core aspect of her mission. Think Angel, Amends, Willow, Anya, Spike, Faith. All have been murderers and villains. Buffy’s face is used because the story of power is actually about her journey of power. It’s not literal. Except that the first is trying to corrupt Buffy. It’s actually a continuation of her story told through season 6. It is actually quite nuanced and very profound underneath the surface. There are a few characters that unfortunately don’t get the arcs they deserved and the writers were aware of this. They just didn’t have time. The finale is actually a great allegory for the overall message of the show. That you need to use power to lift up and empower others. That power not shared is power misused. She empowered those around her. I think a lot of people have very specific ideas of what they wanted from season 7 and it often reflects what they identified most with the series. But unfortunately that wasn’t what the series was ultimately about. There are issues of execution but I think the story and message is actually very consistent and wraps up the series beautifully.