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Angel 2x02 (Extended) - Are You Now or Have You Ever Been (Patreon)

Published:
2022-02-07 18:01:02
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2024-07-12 14:08:48
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That ending scene definetly didn't almost make me cry.... IT'S FINE.

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Ron Fehr

When Cordy handed Angel a tumbler of O+ blood, and you made the comment while pausing the intro, it made me wonder if she was handing him human blood. I thought he only drank pigs' blood.

Ron Fehr

Which makes me wonder if pigs have O+ blood.

Nica Marie

John Kapelos (the hotel manager) aka the janitor in The Breakfast Club, the sister's fiance in Sixteen Candles and, if I remember correctly, one of the bar patrons in Weird Science.

Ron Fehr

The events in the flashbacks had to have happened when he was already Angel. Angel received the gypsy curse at the turn of the twentieth century, and these things obviously happened in a later time period. On a different topic, racism was still prevalent apparently, as there were obviously vacancies at the hotel.

Steve Quast

Not even 5 minutes in and already a Jenny reference. It's gonna be a good one....

Steve Quast

If O-positive is the most common blood type, isn't that why he should drink it? What if he drinks all the AB blood and then when someone needs that it's all gone? (Probably just pig's blood anyway, as Cordelia was most likely just saying "O-pos" colloquially).

Ron Fehr

Judy's situation reminds me of the Samaritans in the Bible. Samaritans were looked down on by the Israelites because they were considered impure, mixed blood of Israelites and other nationalities.

Richard Ashton

'52 - the year I was born. It only seems like 69½ years ago. Ho hum... Also I'm O -ve - vampires beware!

Richard Ashton

Human sera cards determined that, in a sample of 19 wild-type pigs (Landrace x Large White), 8 pigs belonged to the A group and 11 to the O group. None of the pigs showed reactions to Rh1 antibodies. Because the B group has not been described in pigs.

Steve Quast

"Fear makes people do stupid things." - Angel That's pretty much the main theme of this episode.

zerofk

This is generally a well-liked episode, but I never really connected with it. I mean the monster is interesting. But Angel himself feels somewhat off to me, and his living in the hotel, interacting with humans, etc. clashes with what we've seen in Buffy about him living off rats before Whistler came to talk to him. It's not impossible of course, but it feels a bit inconsistent.

Vicky N

Always loved this episode. One of the best written and directed of the entire show. The homage to the fifties/sixties era movies blends seamlessly with the paranoia theme.

The Suburban Big Man

I love this episode, the film noir feeling of it is so well done. Bringing in the context of history of the time helps develop the theme of the episode, that of fear. Fear and paranoia makes us easily persuaded to do bad things with the underlying theme being forgiveness. Is forgiveness possible when someone has done something so horrendous, so beyond the pale that the victim is never the same or worse, dead? It's an underlying theme here but it is basically an essential tenet of the mission statement of the show, Redemption.

The Suburban Big Man

I agree, I don't think Cordelia would approve of Angel drinking human blood cause she understands the temptation that could cause.

Thom Purdy

This is in my top 10 of the series! So good!!

UTU49

I just wanted to point out that your predictions were all completely wrong. But that's only because nearly ALL of EVERYONES predictions about the Buffyverse are wrong.

UTU49

I also think of Passion when they say # 217.

Hosman

Angel staying in Room 217 is a reference to the movie The Shining.

Ron Fehr

I don't think Angel really interacted with any of the humans when he was living with at the hotel, except for Judy and whats-his-name at the wierd book store.

Ron Fehr

I like this episode for establishing the hotel as there new base of operations.

UTU49

Angel and Judy let each other down about as badly as it is possible to let another person down. This, to me, makes this episode both ugly and beautiful at the same time.

Ron Fehr

Fortunately their relationship ended on a positive note. The new Angel was able to forgive Judy for what she did to him. And you could tell right away that she was sorry that she did it.

KT

I think she was just being tongue-in-cheek, a different cute way to refer to blood even if it isn't a medically correct term.

KT

That whole sequence in Passion is reminiscent of the Shining though

Jordan Haddow

When she says that O-negative is the universal donor type, that means it can be given to other blood type people with a lot less risk of interactions. This means it's in much higher demand. Some other blood types can only be given to people with the same exact blood type, so the demand is a lot lighter. I also agree that she would normally choose animal blood. In past episodes, they've made a big deal about using animal blood to not take away from donor blood. It could be that she was just using that term as an alternative to calling it blood. Many establishments though do carry human blood, like bars. So, it could be possible that she got a supply from the Host, who happens to carry human blood. I could see her going to him for some blood rather than to a butcher. I do agree with you though, that it seems more likely that Cordy would want to keep it to animal blood, just for the reasons you stated.

Jordan Haddow

This episode kind of shows a glimmer of what Angel would eventually become. He, for the shortest of moments, cared. Was willing to help someone else. I think this could very well be an important moment if you think about it. This could be why the Powers That Be saw potential in him to later try and nudge him towards Buffy so he would turn to helping the side of good. Also, back in the Buffy days, I think they weren't sure how long he would last, so they didn't exactly plan too far into his character's past. Joss always intended vampires, even Angel, to be shown as bad for humans. I say Angel, because he had always intended that they would never make it as a couple. Now that Angel has his own show, his past is so open to exploration. Obviously, they felt keeping him in the sewers eating rats for 80 years was not what they wanted. His terrible shape in New York could just be attributed to him giving up. Tired of living a life in between.

Jordan Haddow

Honestly, Domi pointing it out is the first time I saw the connection. I say, I have to agree with her though. It is far too much of a coincidence to not be a connection. Just one of those easter eggs in the show I guess.

Jordan Haddow

Great reaction. I love when you finally get to see that it's Angel in the past. Love it. It is a very different type of episode. The pacing is ultra slow, but the artistic feel coupled with the 50s aesthetic makes it still so watchable. Plus, the really slow pace makes everything even creepier, because it gives you so much time to think about what is coming next. Kind of like it's inducing paranoia in the audience. I do have to admit something though. I've always really hated that ending scene where he finds her. I love most everything in the Buffyverse, but unfortunately I have one of those types of minds that has to think things through, even if they aren't intended to be. All I can think about when watching that scene is her sitting in that room for 50 years. She's hidden off from everyone by the demon, so even when people are in the building, they never come into her room. Of course, there is the problem of laundry, food, etc. That's nothing to the torture of the situation though. She even says earlier how that very situation would be worse than death, but he show makes her endure it. Ugh. Ya, sorry. Just can't be a fan of that. It's like that early Buffy episode in season 1 with the witch who changes herself in to a statue who forever watches everyone go by. That one makes my skin crawl. I know it's kind of a funny gag, but all I see is the worst torture imaginable. I'm like, she's terrible, but nobody deserves that. Anyways, the rest of the episode was fun. Plus, Angel got a bag of money. Notice how he didn't flash it in front of Cordelia though. Imagine her face if he had though. That would have been priceless. They could have done a little gag of them walking into a room and catching her rolling around in the money or something. That would be hilarious and in my mind completely in the bounds of realism for her.

Ron Fehr

I wonder if any of the viewers thought of The Jeffersons when Judy mentioned that she was of a mixed race. In The Jeffersons, the title characters are African American, but their son's wife's parents are African American and Caucasian. Another interesting thing is that the wife turned out dark-skinned, and she had a brother whose skin was white.

Ray D

This episode is thought of very highly by the Angel fan base as a whole. I love seeing Angel living in the 50s. He has a soul but he hasn’t embraced being a hero yet. A lot of interesting stuff in this episode, Judy “passing” for white, the money still being there, Angel being hung from a balcony, creepy paranoia demon, introduction to the Hyperion, Angel letting a bunch of people die, and that final heartbreaking scene between Judy and Angel. A very interesting and good episode.

Ray D

The title of this episode has to do with McCarthyism and the fear and paranoia of communists in the 50s

Ron Fehr

At least he wasn't staying in room 314. Although he probably wouldn't be bothered by it, we would probably keep thinking of season 4 of Buffy.

Ron Fehr

I can think of one prediction that Domi got right, but I won't say what it is.

Foamy

This is my favorite episode of Angel until the 5th Season. Tight ah script by Tim Minear and a great performance by David.

Ron Fehr

I like the panning shots when transitioning from the present to the past and vice versa. They may be confusing for a second, but viewers should be able to understand the story anyway. I like the scene where Angel hides the money in the past, and it transitions to him retrieving the money in the present.

Aaron Beacom

Wanted to compliment you on catching the "Death of a Salesman" reference. The author of the play, Arthur Miller was cited for contempt of Congress for refusing to cooperate with the House Un-American Comitee (HUAC) by naming people he met at Communist Party meetings. You can also hear HUAC testimony on the TV in the episode.

JTII

he's a communist sympathizer?