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Buffy 5x16 (Extended) - The Body (Patreon)

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2022-07-23 22:35:37
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2024-07-12 17:02:01
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Just finished watching this episode and knew I didn’t wanna wait ‘til Monday to post so… Here you go. And just… Wow. What an episode. Can’t even type right now too busy still crying.

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Just Jayy1

It's been 20 years and the pain is still fresh, there is nothing you can do but grit your teeth and bare it, Anya is still MVP (for me) for this episode because her line of "but I don't understand" always gets me and then her exclamation of "I wish Joyce didn't die" just the cherry on the cake of character arcs.

Erik Griffiths

This still remains the greatest, and hardest episode of television ever made. Whoever thought a silly show about a girl who fights vampires would create the most real episode of television?

StealthMomo

@32:40 we see domi e. have a stroke on camera ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (in a good way) A lot of us felt the same way at the time. Very first kiss? Also, one of the pioneering network shows to show a same sex kiss in prime time [OMG I just dated myself].

madfem

AAAAHHHHH 😭😭😭😭😭😭 bless you Domi ❤️‍🩹

Steve Quast

This episode is a rough one. One of the roughest moments in the Buffyverse. In one sense it's so incredible, artistic, and very well done, but it's also heartbreaking, gutwrenching, and brutal beyond measure. It's one that I can only rewatch every so often. But I will do so with you when I get a chance later this weekend. Lots of hugs, Domi. It was tough to get through, but you made it. I'm here if you need to talk, vent, or whatever.

UTU49

You okay? We love you.

George Baxter

I don't think there's ever been an episode of television that deals with a sudden death this authentically. And what's amazing is it takes place within a show about supernatural monsters! I know Joss Whedon really wanted to tell this story. I believe he had experienced something similar and wanted to explore it. Obviously its an incredibly painful realistic scenario but that's what elevates Buffy from schlocky entertainment into art. I remember watching this and being shellshocked. But I was also really young (too young) and unable to comprehend it. This is like watching someone attending a funeral... but I appreciate that Domi is honest and expressive. This is very raw. Thank you for sharing.

Claire Eyles

This is a tough episode to watch, but it's also one of my favourite episodes of Buffy, and I am so grateful for its existence. My Grandmother dropped dead in front of my Mum and me when I was 8 years old, & until this episode aired I had never seen anything that reflected what I actually experienced that night. Grief was always depicted through this filmy lens of cathartic crying, and families gathering around, and people coming together to bond over their shared grief, etc, etc, and my experience was nothing like that. It was shock, followed by horror, followed by panic bordering on hysteria, followed by a feeling of utter numbness, followed by a total crying meltdown when they pronounced Grandma dead at the scene, there was nothing cathartic or coming together about it, at all. For years after my Grandma died, even into my adulthood when I knew better, I couldn't shake this feeling that somehow I had gotten the whole grief thing wrong that night, because none of it even remotely resembled what I had been shown in movies or on TV...and then this episode happened, and it was like, "OMG, this is what it was like, I recognise this, this is what it was like for me, holy sh!t I didn't get anything wrong, this is what it was really like!" The first time I watched this episode I spent half the time crying & the rest of the time feeling strangely happy that I was finally getting to see my experiences reflected on screen. This episode, is, and will always be so incredibly important to me for that reason.

Ron Fehr

The lack of background music in this episode was intentional. Music is usually somewhat comforting, but this was not the intention in this episode. Also, the scene after the opening credits was done because it didn't seem fitting to have the secondary credits over such a sad scene.

Shaun Stacy

We all had to go through it, sweetie. Buffy is my all-time favorite show and it's gotten me through a lot of tough times. My mother passed away four years ago and I hadn't been able to watch this episode again until my favorite reactors came upon it. Hard to describe but I felt safe watching it with them (and you) bc it was like watching it with a friend who knew what a toll this episode takes on people. You did good.

Ron Fehr

Yes, not the best time to see the first Tillow on-screen kiss, but it did seem appropriate that they would kiss in that moment. Not so much a lovers' kiss as it was a comforting one.

AlyAdmirer

"I know it's different for you, because it's always different..." I usually refrain from commenting on this episode because I recognize I'm an outlier with it. But I think part of the reason why is because I lost my mother in a very abrupt fashion pretty much at Buffy's age, about 5 years prior to this airing, and for me, the *only* part of the episode that rang true to my experience was Tara's talk with Buffy. (The script is an actor's showcase, I'd love to have been given it as one to show what I could do, and they all rose to the occasion. But I do find the script overrated.) But I don't want to minimize it for the people who *do* find elements of this episode they can identify with. I *did* just wanna comment on The Kiss, though. Because again, this was 2001. And they had to fight the network to even get THAT kiss into the episode. It was pretty much only allowed BECAUSE of the circumstances that inspired it.

Ron Fehr

Possibly my favorite part of a depressing episode was Tara's conversation with Buffy. She was the only one who could truly feel empathy for her, having lost her own mother. She was genuinely willing to help Buffy get through this.

UTU49

I love this episode. It's such an emotional experience, that I struggle to analyze it with any objectivity. I do, however, have a lot of thoughts about this episode. One amazing thing about this episode is how visceral it is... literally visceral. This script is CONSTANTLY drawing attention to the human body... perhaps to remind us that our bodies are all that is left after we die. Consider: Buffy doing mouth-to-mouth breathing on her mother, Buffy breaking her mother's rib, Buffy adjusting her mother's skirt, Buffy vomiting, Buffy cleaning up her vomit, Dawn crying before even hearing about Joyce, Dawn drawing a naked figure of a woman, a shot of the naked statue followed immediately by the coroner cutting Joyce’s shirt off, Tara and Willow’s first kiss, Xander kissing Willow’s forehead, Anya asking if they’re going to cut the body up, Anya saying that Joyce will never “drink fruit punch or yawn or brush her hair”, Xander bleeding, Tara saying “it hurts”, the visible scars on the side of Joyce’s head, Dawn saying that she has to pee, the vampire being naked, the vampire grunting like an animal rather than talking, Buffy kneeing the vampire in the crotch, the vampire grabbing Buffy’s face, Buffy killing the vampire by strenuously forcing a saw through his neck, Buffy telling Dawn “it’s not her” (the body), Dawn reaching out to touch Joyce’s face. This episode includes more details about the human body than we usually see in film and television. Joss’ commentary for this one is really good, and he talked about how he deliberately included a lot of details about the physicality of the human body. Perhaps one day I will write a long article (or essay or discussion) about this episode.

Domi E

you’re very right. and i appreciate this so much, thank you steve!

Domi E

thank you george ❤️i agree with you totally it did feel very authentic

Domi E

thank you so so much for sharing this claire ❤️i’m feeling so touched by this because i totally understand. i’m so so sorry you had to go through that, but i’m happy you’re finding ways to process grief and feel seen and understood. sending u lots of hugs.

Domi E

omg thats eva!!! i know her, we’re friends and i’ve even commissioned her for a present once :) she’s so talented, this artwork is BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Domi E

the silence really was not comforting!

Ron Fehr

My mother passed away about seven and a half years ago. She had experienced a cardiac arrest. We were lucky at the time that she was revived, and we had her on life-support to give time for immediate family to get together. My older brother and his wife had been on holidays when it happened, so we kept our mom alive long enough for them to return. Her passing was inevitable, but it gave us a chance to be there for each other when it happened. We had purchased a double plot, so she lies forever with our dad.

Domi E

aw shaun, thank you so much for sharing this ❤️i’m so incredibly sorry for your loss. i’m glad you’re able to watch this episode again, i do hope it brings you some comfort in knowing you’re not alone in this! sending you lots of love

Domi E

very true! the best possible worst moment!

Domi E

hey darryl! first of all, i’m so sorry for your loss. i think that quote perfect sums it all up. grief is always so personal sometimes it’s hard to remember it’s a universal experience. not everybody is gonna feel the same way, and that’s totally okay. ❤️and i’m so so glad they fought for that kiss! it was amazing! just perfect

Domi E

agreed. one of the best moments and conversations for sure!

Domi E

oh damn thanks for pointing it out! i hadn’t noticed how much emphasis they had brought to the body, that’s fascinating. i do hope you write your article one day, i’d love to read it!

Domi E

im so so sorry for your loss ron ❤️

Kate

because this was such an early portrayal of queer relationships on mainstream tv, they really had to fight for each development. Essentially, their interactions had to be "earned" in the eyes of the producers to get the green light. I think the writers also wanted(possibly needed?) to demonstrate that a queer relationship is not just about sex, which was an even more popular myth then. I've come to absolutely love this kiss. They earned it, got the green light, and gave it the biggest close up they could and carried really important character work in the scene.

Keenan White

I always appreciate how there was no music of any kind playing throughout the episode, it just added to the tone of it all.

Ray D

It’s not a fun watch but it an amazing achievement of filmmaking. I feel like it’s the most realistic portrayal of death and losing a loved one in TV history. It’s just amazingly written and acted all around. Also, shout out to Kristine Sutherland, it has to be really hard to portray a dead body for as long as she had to in this one. She really made Joyce a character that could have been very one dimensional on paper, feel like she was all of our moms. She was really great in the role and deserves some praise.

Ray D

Also, I don’t think there were any callbacks to Restless. The things you pointed out as possible connections weren’t really. Buffy hearing the children laughing and playing when she opened the door was Joss’ way of showing the even in one persons worst moment ever when it feels like the world has stopped, that life is still going on around you. They showed Buffy throw up on the ground and that’s what she was cleaning up with the paper towel. And the light on her face was just a sharp contrast to how she was feeling and how numb she felt in that moment. So yeah, I think trying to connect restless to that that was you seeing something that wasn’t there

CeNedra

4 hours late!! Noooo!! I'm trying to not read the comments b4 I watch 🥺😂😂

Loves Bitca

I do think the scene in Restless where Joyce is behind the wall, with mice nibbling on her knees was about her dying.

Henrik Holst

Sorry that you had to go through this Domi, it's always a hard thing to do and as a old school Buffy fan I have had to experience this episode many many times over. Don't know if this helps any one else but I have found that I have to listen to Aurora:s Murder Song from her 2015 Nobel Prize concert after viewing this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh0SWTVwXxw

Ron Fehr

Yep, it was intentional.

CeNedra

Hi, so sorry for your loss. I first watched this episode on airing in the UK which was about 8 years before I lost my mum and I found it a totally different experience watching it again a few years after she died. The first time I related more to them leaving the body at the house with Buffy as that was what happened to me when I lost my dad, I was only 22 and pregnant at the time so a pretty harrowing experience. Watching it more recently I can now relate to how Buffy was over focusing on things like the phone handset and the sense of it not being quite real.. so yeah I definitely think different parts relate to different experiences and now the whole episode is one huge nightmare for me 🥺🤷‍♀️

Ron Fehr

I think Dawn's reason for going to see Joyce's body was simply because up until the end, she had only been told about her death. She had to see it with her own eyes. Although Buffy was trying to spare her having to go through that trauma, I think it was a necessary thing for Dawn.

Thomas Zajetz

Sarah Michelle Gellar said that she never ever watched this episode. As she was a child raised by a single mother (as Alyson Hannigan too) I deeply believe it has been the most painful acting she ever performed.

Thomas Zajetz

Joss Whedon had planned this since the end of season 3. In "the Freshmen" there is a hint from Buffy: "Thanks. (Buffy puts the books in the basket.) Can't wait till mom gets the bill for these books, I hope it's a funny aneurysm."

Claire Eyles

As others have said, this episode had been planned for a while. If you go back and watch the season 3 episode where Joyce goes to talk to Angel about him & Buffy, pay attention to the statue that Joyce touches briefly - it bares an uncanny resemblance to the 'negative space' drawing that Dawn does in this episode. Kristine Sutherland has said on one of the DVD commentaries that she wanted to leave the show by the end of season 3, as she had planned to travel through Europe. He who shall no longer be named, let's just call him 'Gross Beacon', got her to stay on the show by revealing that he planned to kill her character off in season 5. The reason we don't see much of Joyce in season 4 is because the actress was away, and the only reason we see her at all in season 4 and 5 is on the caveat that her character's arc was ending.

Martin Waits

"I'm quitting if Buffy says 'Mommy' again." Oh, oh no... Congrats on getting through this episode. It's one of the best episodes of tv ever. The hardest moment from me is when Buffy says "we're not supposed to move the body!" Her look of horror is crushing. I'm so glad you mentioned Willow's scene! I know a lot of people talk about Anya's monologue, but Willow's "can I be a grown-up?" speaks the most to me and I rarely see it mentioned in the fanbase.

Stargazer1682

Wow, you and I have similar coping mechanisms...

Ron Fehr

I had a theory come to me when you spoke about Buffy giving Dawn the bad news. We, like Dawn's teacher and classmates, were on the outside looking in at that moment. I like to think that was because it was an extremely personal moment for Buffy and Dawn, not something that we needed to be a part of.

James

Well done for getting through that Domi. It's not an easy watch, but it is an amazing episode of television. Your discussion afterwards was really great. Thank you, you are appreciated! I don't mind if you swap the Angel and Buffy eps!

Ron Fehr

The next Buffy episode is kind of necessary, as it kind of links to this one.

zerofk

After reading some of the other comments here, there is nothing left to say but: *hugs*.

James

I understand that, but I didn't want Domi to feel pressured to watch the next 'Buffy' episode if she wanted a break - because the next 'Buffy' is a tough watch as well, whereas the next 'Angel' is more light-hearted. I don't mind either way, I just didn't want Domi to feel like she had to watch the next 'Buffy' if she was feeling too emotionally drained. These episodes can bring up tough associations for people. Domi feeling ok is more important than the watch order.

Ron Fehr

That's true. Domi's mental state is more important. Taking a break to watch Angel might be what she needs. Either way, the next Buffy episode will probably bring back a few memories of this one. But with time in between maybe she'll be better prepared for it.

James

Thanks Ron. Yes, whatever works for her. Best wishes :)

Girl4Music

You know, I don't even know why I even bother commenting on here since everything I say gets deleted.

Ron Fehr

I hope they're not spoilers. That's the only reason I can think of why her mods would get rid of comments.

Girl4Music

I wouldn’t say they are. Honestly I’m not too sure what would be a spoiler or not. If they are, then it’s understandable but I wouldn’t say the comments I wrote that got deleted were.

UTU49

I really appreciate your enthusiasm to read something that has a chance of one day existing. :P

Kirsten (Heavenli24)

I had to stop my Patreon subscription for a couple of months while I was deployed overseas, so I’m catching up now and have just got to this episode. Well done for getting through it, Domi. For 20 years, this episode didn’t really affect me because I didn’t have personal experience of grief, but then I lost my dad suddenly 6 months ago, and it just hits completely differently now. I’ve seen 4 reactions to The Body since my dad died… the first one was really hard for me to get through, as it was posted 3 weeks after it happened (Sofie's reaction, who also had a really hard time with the episode), and I just sobbed my way through it - similar to you, I had to force myself to press play because I really didn't know if I could handle it. The next two reactions I saw were posted last month and easier to watch with a few months of distance from it, but today, seeing you going through all the emotions got me all emotional too. It’s an excellent episode, but it’s an extremely heartbreaking one too.