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Using Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro To Teach About Logical Fallacies (Patreon)

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We are all guilty of using logical fallacies, but the less we use them, the better our lives will be. In this video, I use an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, featuring guest Ben Shapiro, as an opportunity to teach about logical fallacies. 

I will probably get crap for criticizing Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro. I will also probably get crap for saying I am a fan of Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro. And so it goes.

Regardless, I continue to appreciate your ongoing support. I hope you are all taking care of yourselves. 

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How to Spot Logical Fallacies (Featuring Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro)

Mr. Beat reacts to an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience featuring Ben Shapiro to point out and define common logical fallacies. Join me for my upcoming seminar about logical fallacies! https://www.speakeasy.com/e/logical-fallacies Thanks to Paul and The Felt Show for helping me make this video! Subscribe to his channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCC38u45KCmNDe9X4ozxqlA The full episode I'm reacting to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl0iNRXcUbE&t Produced by Matt Beat. All images/video by Matt Beat, found in the public domain, or used under fair use guidelines. Music by Electric Needle Room (Mr. Beat's band). Much of this video was based on the book "The Fallacy Detective." Purchase here: https://amzn.to/3rChcgJ Additional sources/additional reading: https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTMC_81.htm https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/ https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ I'm now on Cameo! https://www.cameo.com/iammrbeat?qid=1614915028 Snail mail Mr. Beat: PO Box 1982 Lawrence, KS 66044 Donate to Mr. Beat for great perks on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/iammrbeat Buy Mr. Beat's book, The Ultimate American Presidential Election Book: Every Presidential Election in American History (1788-2016) https://amzn.to/3fdakiZ Donate to Mr. Beat on Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/mrbeat Buy Mr. Beat T-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.: https://sfsf.shop/support-mrbeat/ More merch: https://www.bonfire.com/store/mr-beat/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/mrbeat/ Mr. Beat's band: http://electricneedleroom.net/ Mr. Beat on Twitter: https://twitter.com/beatmastermatt Mr. Beat on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/iammrbeat/ Mr. Beat on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iammrbeat Mr. Beat's Discord server: https://discord.gg/g8cZPjt Mr. Beat favorites: POP! Icons: George Washington https://go.magik.ly/ml/11jrb/ Useful Charts: https://usefulcharts.com/?aff=12 Recommended books: Republic, Lost by Lawrence Lessing https://go.magik.ly/ml/11jul/ Truman by David McCullough https://go.magik.ly/ml/11jwc/ Studio equipment: Canon EOS M50 Camera EF-M 15-45mm Lens https://amzn.to/3dcNPen Samtian LED Video Light Kit https://amzn.to/3llDwHO TroyStudio Acoustic Panel https://amzn.to/33CkqHn Blue Snowball iCE USB Mic https://amzn.to/2GseOHa I use MagicLinks for all my ready-to-shop product links. Check it out here: https://www.magiclinks.com/rewards/referral/mrbeat/ FTC Disclosure: This post or video contains affiliate links, which means I may receive a commission for purchases made through my links. Creative commons credits: Larry D. Moore I regularly listen to both Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro’s podcasts. So I was excited last summer to see that Shapiro had once again appeared as a guest on The Joe Rogan Experience. Episode 1512 on July 22, 2020. However, something really stood out to me as I listened. There were A LOT of logical fallacies in this episode. Like, more than normal. This was disappointing to me, especially since Shapiro is known as a logical dude (clip at 2:10) Logical fallacies are common errors in reasoning based on bad logic. Puppet: Wait, what is logic? Well I’m glad you asked puppet. There are many definitions of logic. The one I’m gonna use for this video is reaching a reasonable conclusion by adequately analyzing facts. For example, if someone spends too much money to a point where they can’t afford basic necessities, then it is logical to conclude they should save their money to have more of it. At first glance, a logical fallacy seems to be true, but once we apply the rules of logic, it is problematic. Often, we use logical fallacies and we don’t even realize it. Logical fallacies hurt our ability to argue, but more importantly, they cause us to fall for crappy arguments. So back to the latest Joe Rogan Experience with Ben Shapiro. What I’ll do is first play the clip and then explain the logical fallacy you just heard. I even have puppets to help me out again. I know I was a bit nitpicky, and perhaps I even got some of these wrong, but I just wanted to show you how two smart, entertaining people, can be guilty of a lot of logical fallacies in just an hour and a half of conversation. I counted _____ of them. For the record, I still enjoyed the episode. And I am also definitely guilty of using logical fallacies himself. One of my goals lately has been to stop using them when I form arguments. So join me. Let’s all be logical. And boring. Yeah. Woohoo. #logicalfallacies #benshapiro #joerogan

Comments

Devin Canada

Ok a few seconds in i see what your doing. because the "Appeal to the Rabbis man" you can tell was a joke in good humor but even as a humorous thing it is still a door way for a leason. I personally hate the Appeal to Authority falicy as a argument to dismiss my argument. my thoughts generally are im a High School Graduate why would i not quote experts in their field or someone with at least more notoriety? when someone dismisses it as an appeal to authority fallacy it comes off as more of "nana boo boo im no listening!" At the same time the falicy is a real deal because people in their own field can get it wrong and people who are not experts in that field are sometimes used in arguments as well. Just like using Bill Nye as an authority in sceince.

Devin Canada

The Ancedotal falicy dosnt seem real to me in the way you explained it. Seems like a way to make people feel like they are crazy for having an experience. it would be like if you said "I drank from a red cup." you know it's red, you saw its red. but then someone says to you "there is no way you could have ever have drunk from a red cup that is the Anecdotal Fallacy." Maybe there is a better way to explain this falicy?

Devin Canada

Genetic fantacy I commit the most probably. But logically if someone lies to you constantly why would you listen anymore? The problem with news as you point out is it wasn't just one lie but multiple lies and that forces people to at least six choices, take the abuse, go with someone who lies in your favor, cherry pick, sacrifice time to study yourself, dont watch at all, or a mix of more than one.

Matt Beat
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I do that one, too. I'm probably most guilty of the hasty generalization and the strawman fallacy, mostly since I can get lazy with my language.

Devin Canada

The new True Scotman falicy. i hate that term still today because someone can claim your using it in error without knowing their target. I was a evangelical for years before becoming Lutheran just recently. So someone would walk up to me and say "you Christians declaired war for your faith in the Crusade." i would respond "those were not Christians." the person would go. "thats the No True Scotsman falicy!" This made me mad many time and i would respond. "Christianity has an entry exam to declare one christian you cannot be born into it like a race, If someone belive baptism via water gets them to heaven then they are not a christian." Now I don't believe that way anymore but if I was arguing with an evangelical I would try not to make a blanket statement of "Christians did blank or declare they are committing a no true Scotsman fallacy" because I know they define the term Christian differently and thus the argument would be lost to them. Also, i have read the primary sources of the first crusade and now know that faith wasn't the key issue.

Devin Canada

Historically when there was no form of law enforcement and limited right to bare arms was there higher, lower or same amount of crimes against humanity taking place? I wonder if there is any data for this or not or even enough information to find out.

Devin Canada

I confess I have committed all of these fallacy's and will most likely commit these same fallacy's in the future. please forgive me.

Devin Canada

Appologizing for being nit picky was a nice touch because even though one could argue it isnt neccesarry it is a nice way of saying. "i know you the audiance are not idiots and you know i went nit picky but i did so for leason materals." I think you treated Ben and Rogan fairly and i kinda concluded from this that logical falacys make us human. also i thought it was a nice touch to say. "hey i like both of these guys." because it set the tone of "this isnt from a place of a hater" the only thing i need explained better is the Ancedotal Fallacy as the way it was presented just got lost on me completly see my comment above.

Naterade

Great video! I remember learning about fallacies in a public speaking course I took in college. Thank you for the refresher course on them!

Naterade

Also civics and debate should be mandated in all levels of schooling. It would help us get out of our bubbles and expose ourselves to a variety of ideas and arguments.