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Getting Schooled (Patreon)

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The girlies explore the history of an increasingly popular trend for American parents: homeschooling. They cover the history of public education, why homeschooling appeals to outliers on both the political right and left, and beg the question: do you have autism or were you just homeschooled? Digressions include our sold-out tour and second shows, identifying a binchie based on our cult-like language alone, and nostalgia for the 7am fistfights taking place somewhere in a public school bathroom.

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SOURCES:

Martin Luther Was An Advocate For Education Reform

Perfecting Childhood: Horace Mann and the Origins of Public Education in the United States 

Catharine Beecher and the Education of American Women 

Would Unschooling Actually Make My Kids Any Happier?

Why Homeschooling Happened

Homeschooling Pioneer Susan Wise is Well-Versed in Controversy

‘When You Get Into Unschooling, It’s Almost Like a Religion’

‘A form of resistance’: More Black families are choosing to homeschool their children

"Parental rights" started on the Christian fringe — now it's the GOP's winning issue

Comments

Holly Mattox

an IMMEDIATE pressing of the play button tonight

payt

love

Mia Leo

my prayers have been answered <3

Kynzi Williamson

Yay I needed the pod to do my little crafts!!!

Tess Knoll

PERFECT TIMING girles. for me to have a little something playing

Madelaine Maloney

No joke I’ve been hoping you guys would cover this!! So excited to listen.

Abby

This dropped not even 5 minutes after I finished watching shiny happy people. So excited

Holly Mattox

FOR CHICAGO best bookstore is myopic books in wicker sorry it’s in a tourist area i don’t gaf it slayyyyys

Holly Mattox

omgggg last month my roommate randomly asked if i listen to binchtopia and she was like “yeah i started listening to it and she sounds JUST like you” … she was talking about julia … and the roles are MOST certainly reversed in that scenario … i’ve been a thief…of julia’s voice box

Jane Houseal
>>110687674

I was litereally coming to the comments just to say this! You guys ahah to go to myopic I love ittttt

Dolly

Omg thank god i was about to aboard a 2hour train with no entertaintment!!!☠️

Madison

let's go i was homeschooled in an evangelical christian environment.. turned out sooooo fine :)

Hailey Belli

Currently coming down from acid this is SUCH a blessing

Sarah

Dc second show tickets when!!!!!!!! I’ve literally been shitting myself for the past 5 days over them

Sarah

Clocked in at 1:14 and dc was already sold out

avvsies

My credit card was about to expire and of course the first payment method I updated with my new card was my patreon subscription 🫡

Dolly

Omg the custody battle argument is such bullshit too - the major reason why men dont get the kids in the custody battle is because they dont ask for custody whereas the women do 😭 they genuinely dont want them kids

Kay

I am in a place of staying in line 🫡

Josefina Troncoso

this was so good!! I came across a lot of these people when researching the history of occupational therapy in the US (which to some extent has its origins in very early psychiatry) for my dissertation :-) I’m in a place of academic trauma but it was nice to listen to this and remember my research without wanting to tear my hair out LOOOL Also my autistic ass wanted to be homeschooled so bad… I was in a place of being bullied 🥴

Josefina Troncoso

oh and I keep having to explain to my friends why I say gorgine/gorgina when I could say gorgeous instead… listen I’m autistic I pick up idiosyncratic ways of speaking really easily!!

Grace

as a former Chicago girlie, if you are looking for a bookshop Myopic Books in Wicker Park is lovely !!

Emily Rush

If you have to beg the question …. You got autism Queen!

Neil Bradley

fellow gay man listener 🫡

madi hemming

binchies! i have a DC ticket i’m looking to sell!!! if anyone is interested lmk ❤️

Caroline Quinn

HORACE MANN!!! I have a vivid memory of printing out his picture and taping it to my wall so I could throw darts at it when I was angry about having to learn math 😭😭😭

Alice Zhang

Eliza should i pay 400£ for a lana ticket in london please justify this decision for me

Shaina Adler

Julia and Eliza I’m from DC originally but followed a boy out to Philly so I was a tourist not too long ago here and a TOTAL convert! I’m happy to give you guys some actually good ideas and recs over email if you need! I wouldn’t use google or Reddit for this one because there are sooo many different people who come here (suburban fams, Penn state frat boys, etc) but I can make you some good suggestions for the girlies it’s truly an amazing city!

ssteph

OMG i’m going to all things go festival, anyone else? binchie meet up?

Hannah

In Brooklyn, Greenlight bookstore is my fav, so cute and well organized 🤍 and not too far from bell house! I also recommend The Word Is Change in bed-stuy which has a social justice focus and sells new + used books. Lots of good spots to grab a coffee nearby too (sincerely tommy for hip coffee, corto for classic Italian coffee, or brown butter for the tastiest latte of your life and a truly otherworldly southern biscuit BEC)

Amanda R

boston bookstore: brookline booksmith is simply the best! and a pavement coffeehouse is good but maybe less seating. trident booksellers is also a cute book/coffee combo!

jessica

EEEEEEK!!! im a philly binchie my favorite bookstores are brickbat books on 4th st and headhouse books :') my fav coffee shops are rally coffee and tea and jiggy coffee has the best matcha in the city ♥️♥️♥️

Julianna

So sad I forgot to write in 😭😭

Amanda R

i went to a private high school and in 9th grade there was a huge fight amongst the girls… conducted via amateur poetry posted to insta stories lmao. it got so “bad” all the girls in our grade had to have a meeting with the dean

Julianna

Distinct interesting energy binchies assemble 🫡

Julianna

Am I autistic or just homeschooled 😭😭😭😂

Julianna

MY MOM MADE UP MY FRESHMAN GRADES TOO. I started sophomore year of hs after 7 years homeschooling in entirely honors classes 😬 still don’t know how I survived

Julianna

I’ll write a book on my life

Areej Khan
>>110699275

I would love!! I’m also looking for another for a friend if you know anything! My number is +12028156178 :)

rayna wertlieb

Please please please do an episode on public education. As a teacher who also went to public school there’s so much to say on the matter.

Juliana Dexter

If anyone is interested in the voucher program it basically allows parents to delegate the public funds that would be put towards their child in a public school and transfer it to the private schools all it does is further defund the public schools

ssteph

these longer eps have been BANGING lately omg also the research has really been popping off

Dan

Cleveland, Mississippi didn’t fully desegregate their schools until the government forced them in 2016

Nina

lmao u can go to ben franklins grave in philly people leave coins on it for some reason, but for a great book store check out the wooden shoe on south street it’s a non-profit anarchist shop run by volunteers and it’s super involved in community aid (close to the liberty bell too 🤪)it’s all leftist literature and local zines and there’s a lot of great restaurants in the area too:)

Sara Lippman

dc bookstore recs: politics & prose on connecticut ave or lost city books !!!

jules

Ummm come to my job when ur in New York … birch coffee in downtown Manhattan. Also for bookstore I second someone else’s suggestion of green light books but also also near there is a bookstore called unnamable books which i lurv

Oli Chau

Megha’s tokendude defined a generation!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ellen

I’ve always heard that Amelia Bedelia is an Italian American immigrant though I support autistic people feeling represented by her

Amelia Teske

when you’re in chicago you MUST go to Pilsen Community Bookstore

Olivia

Best bookstore in Chicago is by far Women & Children First in Andersonville. Jamie Loftus just did an event with them to promote Raw Dog & I ran into Sarah Marshall shopping there a few weeks back & nearly fainted. Hot girlies with podcasts are Going to Women & Children First!! ✈️📚

Paige McHatten

Posman Books on Newbury Street in Boston and Brookline Booksmith in Brookline (right outside of boston) are both lovely 🤸‍♀️

Mary

okay but I will show up in pajamas to the Boston 10:30pm show, don’t tempt me binchies!!

Amy Grauley

Homeschoolers who know the BURN BURN BURN song…. Tap in!!!!

theodora

omg pleaseeeee come visit me i work at mcnally jackson rock center (nyc) and it’s truly a beautiful bookstore and also a stationery store and it is actually so beautiful and i love working there please come visit !!!

alexa schnur

in philly you MUST go to wooden shoe books and records <3 amazing anarchist and radical bookstore

alexa schnur

i literally had this binchtopia accent moment w my current girlfriend…. @sarah if you’re in these comments :)

Chloe DeVries

BEST BOOKSTORE IN CHICAGO I MEAN IT: exile in bookville. walking distance from the bean. big big beautiful shelves and natural light in a historical building. plants. EXCELLENT recommendations and indies come FIRST! they have a small selection of records too. they have author events CONSTANTLY and a little book club for anyone who lives in the area too. my favorite place in the world

adelle amor ☆彡

miss eliza had a twang of michael hobbes in her voice today #slay

Grace

i’m pretty sure my parents knew I was autistic before homeschooling me and they just took me out of school as a preventive measure to help me avoid bullying

Kate Ross

My best friend I met at 16 was homeschooled and lived like right behind me (we met at my very first job) she’s one of the best people I know and I helped her pass her English course so she could graduate. I’m not sure the entirety of her homeschooling other than she had severe anxiety at public school and they moved a lot because of her dad in the military. I know her homeschooling was more Christian based, but her parents weren’t pounding the Bible and were amazing people

Berkley 🌸

This is very interestingly timed with the Shiny Happy People doc about the Duggars and homeschooling through the IBLP! Can't wait to listen!

ssteph

i’ve been going back and re-linsing to some old eps and listened to the surrogacy one yesterday. the end of this ep where you guys talk about parents feeling like they have to be everything for their child reminded me of the end of the surrogacy ep where you spoke about like kids being raised in a more communal setting and how the idea of the nuclear family has taken that away idk these things certainly feel connected to me. connects to the parenting panopticon ep as well methinks. like, educators and doctors and other specialists SHOULD be a part of the village that raises a child, and i think the unique form of boot straps individualism we have in the good ol USA has done a lot of damage to us societally and to a lot of the systems and things you ladies discuss on the pod

syd

It was proposition 13 that changed the California tax system in like 1970!! the prop basically changed property tax so that ppl who bought their homes at a certain point in time (aka 1970ish) would never have their property taxes raised (property tax pays for public school in CA) BUT prop 13 extended to businesses and corporations TOOO so like… disneyland for example pays waaaay less in taxes than they should & the schools in california suffer bc there’s so much less money going into them. oof. i volunteer @ a nonprofit working to reform prop 13 when i was trying to get into poli sci :/ it was a big bummer lol. thanks for talking about this!!!

Lacey Kohler

my second penis is dropping is dropping

Lacey Kohler

As a non religious person who was raised in a Lutheran church I’ll admit that Martin kinda was that girl for developing a less hateful sect of Christianity. Like little to no hellfire was discussed 💅

Meredith Floyd

keeping up with julia’s obsession in luke what’s his face has been one of the only things keeping me going the past few weeks lmfaooo

Emily Walter

Giovanni’s Room is an amazing, very historically significant, queer book store in Philly!!?

Victoria Gohmann

you girlies would love the wicker park area (chicago) and a few have mentioned but myopic books over there is great!! plus so many cute shops and thrifting right around the bookstore!

elleri

i’m just a humble midwesterner binchie (please i’m begging you to come to kansas city i know like 5 people who would come😭)

Shawn Hogan

good coffee near the philly venue: reanimator, gryphon, forin, middle child

Gabby Le

I wanted to share my perspective on homeschooling education because I am currently working in the curriculum development field! Specifically, I help design language arts curriculum for a company that is looking to enrich what the current public education landscape can offer and a big population of our clients are homeschooled.

Hannah B

Homeschooled binchie here! I sent in a mailbox moment but sadly was not chosen. No hard feelings tho. <3 I wanted to share a little more about how unregulated and dangerous current homeschooling laws are for the binchies who might be interested. I was homeschooled from 2nd through 12th grade due to my parent's religious and political conservatism and was severely socially isolated as a kid which led to severe anxiety and depression. Not to mention, my curriculum was incredibly biased and insane with propaganda ranging from Native Americans were violent and barbaric and America was god's gift to the Puritans to climate change is a hoax to Marx's kids killed themselves because...communism. The scariest part about it all is that in at least 11 states in the U.S. there is literally no oversight into homeschooling families whatsoever (other states have some regulations but in general, the majority of states are very lax in their laws.) You can pull your kid out of school at any time with no excuse necessary. You're technically required to teach "core subjects" but there is no oversight at all. Because of those laws, my childhood best friend received no education whatsoever because she was the oldest girl out of 6 boys and was responsible instead for helping her mother run the household and training to be a wife and mother. I have other friends who were severely abused and never educated. The reason there is so little oversight is like you mentioned the Homeschool Legal Defense Association (HSLDA). Basically it's this massive lobbying firm that is preventing any homeschooling reform legislation from passing. How do they get their money you might ask? By fear mongering to homeschooling families. When my parents decided to homeschool, the other homeschooling families they knew convinced them to join the HSLDA which cost $$$ (not sure how much). The premise was that if your child was ever taken from you by the state, the HSLDA would help you get your kid back. They'd send out quarterly newsletters sharing stories of kids being taken from their parents "because they were homeschooled" and share tips to avoid the government or DFS stepping in. Tips like "Don't let your kid play outside or take them to the store or anywhere they could be questioned during school hours." Despite the fact that there were actually *zero* laws regulating homeschooling in my state, I constantly lived in fear that I was going to be taken from my parents and that we were "persecuted." Ultimately, I think homeschooling should be illegal except in defined cases of bullying, disability, etc or at the very least there needs to be massive reform. This is truly a human rights issue IMO as all children deserve access to education and as the laws stand now, we are severely failing our kids.(Side note: love the shout out to Alliance Defending Freedom. One of my fellow homeschoolers from my tiny Missouri church I grew up in is now one of their top lawyers and has been on Fox News multiple times spouting transphobic bullshit. Rot in Hell, ADF!!!)

Gabby Le
>>110719430

In a previous position, I have also worked in the public education sector (and experienced it personally— the only way I got through reading east of Eden in 11th grade was by mentally telling myself that I would be allowed to read one chapter of a fanfic per every three chapters of steinbeck). I have found public education extremely limited and not focused on nurturing creative and problem solving skills. Much of common core is based around task and skill completion as opposed to nurturing creative minds and centering the student narrative. It also largely lacks representation of diverse populations! Much of this is due to the way that the education system is funded. There is a large curriculum industrial complex and the curriculum found in public education often sources from pedagogically conservative textbook industry giants. However, there is lots of other curriculum being made that center other educational philosophies and STILL meet common core standards (and usually go above and beyond).

Gabby Le
>>110719430

The big misconception with homeschooling I feel is that students aren’t able to get the same level of schooling as others and are somehow more behind. I think the homeschool population is very diverse and there are definitely some crazies out there (insert white van mom) a lot of alternative curriculum being made does follow common core and usually goes above and beyond. I’m just offering my personal perspective from a curriculum development basis. I think some of the downfalls of homeschooling are that it can stunt social and emotional growth for some, and create negative/dependent relationships with parent figures. Also religious trauma and abusive. I personally have experienced some of the negative social effects of homeschooling but was only homeschooled shortly in elementary school. But based on what’s available for students to learn from a pedagogical point of view there is lots of diverse and amazing curriculum that truly centers creative thinking in a way that goes above and beyond what’s available at public schools. Lots of material out there also center social learning and building community with other homeschoolers.

Gabby Le

any uc berkeley binchiez out there ? 🥰

Ella Riganti

A loophole for price Christian school findings are becoming “military school” so they are funded by the US Military. My school had like 3 military aspects that were super enforced but they kept it for the funding

mimi

wait literally yesterday for my history class on christian nationalism my prof let us have a ~fun day~ which meant having a Q&A where we could ask him questions about his homeschooled upbringing.... he's from the US but this is in germany. watching everyone's reactions to his answers was so entertaining esp because homeschooling is illegal in germany so ppl really don't understand it, while me and the other american girly were like yupppp tht's our countryy...🫡🫣

Grace Dolan

Trident Booksellers on Newbury Street in Boston is my favorite local bookstore, and Pavement Coffee is my favorite cafe! They are scattered throughout the city <3

Daisy!

seconding that u should check out wooden shoe books in Philly

Daisy!

also love when you guys add audio clips to eps it is so immersive

Dianna Cohen

bookstore NYC the strand w/ the bean across the street (if its still there i havent been in a while) pavement coffeehouse in boston is good also if u want more of a sit down situation i like tatte they have good pastries and food and if u hit up newberry street theres trident booksellers & cafe

Jamesy

Omg the Amanda montell shoutout!! She was one of my (gay) brothers besties in High school

Luteal Swan

Any binchitas going to the Chicago late show? I’ll be coming from milwaukee and so far just going by myself because I’m moving to milwaukee august 1, and don’t know anyone 😭 if anyone wants to meet up/ go together let me know plssss💖 My email is domingomasha5@gmail.com I don’t really have social media so yeahhhhh okay thanks 🥲💛🙈

Katie Kuo

I was one of those really Christian kids not allowed to read/ watch Harry Potter or celebrate/ dress up for Halloween. ://// thank god I got tf out

Phoebe

NYC bookstore rec - Molasses Books in bushwick is tiny and cozy with a lovely selection and u can get coffee or beer or wine at the counter and drink while u read :)

Phoebe
>>110723280

Tiny is key it’s kind of 50/50 cafe bookstore so I am combining both requests 💏

Hannah B
>>110720453

Lmao growing up in the US as a homeschooler the conservative Christian homeschoolers were like “LIBERALS WANT TO MAKE HOMESCHOOLING ILLEGAL LIKE IT IS IN GERMANY.” They’d tell stories of the German government taking kids away from their parents because they tried to homeschool lol

Kate Winslow

I too have the binchtopia accent and I too need to be waterboarded out of it

Clara Clark

I cannot even begin to say how excited I am for the shiny happy people episode!! I grew up in the same cult circle as the duggars and am so excited that there is so much exposition on American fundamentalism (y’all it is SO bad)

Ellie Galt

ladies PLEASE come out after the Philly show the nightlife is too good

Faelen

As a teacher binchy I so appreciate the dialogue about letting educators actually do their jobs!!! People who can teach TEACH and people who can’t make laws about teaching !!!

Alex Tomlinson

For chicago coffee shops: Two Hearted Queen, Coffee Hip Hop and Mental Health for bookstores: Unabridged (Amazing queer bookstore), open books in west loop (also a coffee store), Quimby’s (zine focus but super cool)

Vanessa Thomas

Stop having Christian school flashbacks to kids singing the revelation 21:8 song

Sera Snyder

In Philly you HAVE to get a cheesesteak from D’Alessandro’s, and Philly AIDS Thrift @ Giovanni's Room is great for thrifting/books!! Vibrant in Rittenhouse is great for coffee, also would love to hear y’all talk about the recent collapse of I-95 and Delco accents

Bea

binchies PLEASE come to Charmers in Chicago i work there i will make you guys the best decaf lattes of ur life

Nia Montgomery

Chicago binchy here and shout out to my friend who got me and our other two friends tickets to the show. I’m more accepting of her being a Swiftie bc she was PREPARED to get us our tickets. Love you Sydney ❤️

Emily Klingaman

JULIA. I KNOW LUKE SCORNAVACO’s sister. We went to Peru together on a trip in college. They’re literally from SAN DIEGO. He’s not country. His mom owns a frozen yogurt shop.

Luteal Swan

I’m a lifelong CA resident who relocated from one rural hippie town to another, and I have some things to say about homeschool/ communes lmao. So there was a tiny public school where I grew up, but a lot of kids were homeschooled. The homeschool kids were honestly very confident, artistic, and had a solid sense of self. the downside was that they were kinda feral sometimes, or their parents just wouldn’t teach them how to read or write. I knew a girl who was 10 and couldn’t even write her name?? Anyways I moved to another hippie town and there’s a commune here called blackbear, and they literally fed the babies acid, and pretty much everyone there is on heavy psychedelics and its basically a cult. I don’t have an issue with communes or psychedelics, but sometimes people get a little too spun, and I don’t think kids should be fed acid lol

Charlie Wright

i’m literally a teacher and my dad keeps sending me unschooling tiktoks please help me

Maggie Craven

lol not me thinking “horse man” is out here fighting for public school education

Alexis

Would love/hate to mention IOWA and how Kimmy Reynolds literally just gave school vouchers to private schools - which 95% (!!!!!!) are religiously affiliated. Brb finding my nearest bridge to jump

Narcisa

I loved this conversation and there’s definitely so much nuance to it, but something that keeps me up at night even more than thinking about all of the options for schooling my children as someone that’s married and potentially thinking about having kids soon is what I will do with my children BEFORE they’re of school age, like 0-5. I work in mental health and many of my coworkers and friends have worked in early childhood education, preschools, nannying etc and the absolute horror stories I have heard are unreal. I also don’t know that I could imagine my husband or I taking 3-5 years off of our careers to stay at home with our child because it would be financially devastating, but so would paying hundreds of dollars a month in childcare. So what’s the answer? Don’t have kids? Have kids but know you’re potentially traumatizing them or giving them attachment issues? One of us sacrifice staying home and resent the other because it creates an unfair labor balance in our relationship that wasn’t there before? I can honestly see why younger people aren’t having kids or are putting it off until they’re much older because there just isn’t societal support for having children.

Alice Creed

Eliza you have to go to Giovanni’s Room bookstore in Philly, oldest LGBTQ bookstore in the country and it’s in the gayborhood which has a lot of cute bars and restaurants

Stina Olsson

This was such a well made episode! Very nuanced 💅

Emily

Just started but whose gonna tell them that the liberty bell is a SCAM. It is NOT in its original walls, it is simply in a room. It also wasn’t cracked in battle or anything- just cuz some dingus messed up.

Emily

Also if you haven’t recorded the Dugger pod yet can you guys PLEASE talk about the Colleen/Ballinger Family drama. The way that family was brought up so conservative catholic but now exploits their children on the internet… much to consider

siena

u have to go to beacon hill bookstore and cafe when in boston!!! the cutest ever

Leo flood

For every east coast tour spot eliza u should do an astronomical assessment

lola bolado

guys u cant say theory on the pod my phone thinks u mean siri and it activates her

Sophia Csiacsek

as a wisconsin/madison legal binchie…did not expect to hear jane doe v. madison metropolitan school district mentioned today but that case is AWFUL im so glad you mentioned it!! also recommend myopic books in wicker park for chicago!

Lex Constantinides

Codex is hands down the best used bookstore in Manhattan I always leave with a treasure 💕

Emma
>>110731615

CAN SECOND binchie Emily in this statement!!! I went to school with his older siblings! The frozen yogurt shop is very real !!

Cora Ferguson

eliza if you get all things go tickets lmk i went three years in a row and then ticketmaster said fu k u

astrid

i have started speaking in the binchtopia accent and my extremely straight boyfriend has started doing it too but he has no idea where it comes from and it's so hilarious to me... lately his favourites have been "mayhaps" and "gorgine"

Suzanne Hooker

i'm going to all things go!! extremely stressed by boygenius & lana possible headline overlap

Mallorie Lawrence

i am begging on my knees for you guys to record your live shows and post them on patreon 🙏🙏🙏🙏

kendall

the first time i showed my bf the pod he said “why does that girl (julia) talk like you?” im a scamstress):

Emily
>>110731615

Omg I just googled 😭 Sweet Things Frozen Yogurt, this is huge

Abigail

Hi binchies! Just wanted to let you know that for my friend’s English class she had to invent a word for an internet phenomenon and I invented the word “binchediction” (adopting a style or pattern of speech from a source otherwise unavailable to you via the internet) for her assignment because of you queens 😌 seemed relevant to the conversation!

Life is Peachy

We need the binchies to cover Waldorf schools. Honestly it kinda sounds like Julia’s mother went to one.

Alexandra Roceanu

I'm from Romania where homeschooling is illegal ; and I feel like the elephant in the room isn't being adressed. No matter the rationale for homeschooling... how is one parent supposed to be an expert on all subjects (reffering here mostly to high school level stuff)? And how are you supposed to learn chemistry or AP art or history when you're taught by someone who doesn't have a degree in any of these things? homeschooling is silly to me. unless you have a degree in every single subject AND you've had pedagogical training (which is also a requirement to teach here) you just cannot provide a well rounded academic education to your child at home...

Sasha

In the uk curriculums are the same in the whole country for most of secondary school because it’s all in preparation for GCSES/A Levels which are the same nation wide (it depends on which exam boards the school uses) so parents cannot dispute what they’re teaching + have to teach the same stuff if home schooling so they pass their GCSEs (every child has to sit them)

Rachel Diazena
>>110768952

Yeah..I was homeschooled and thankfully my mom (who did have an education degree) sent me to external classes for subjects she couldn’t teach but that was RARE in our circles

Ashley Stafford

I think it’d be really great for y’all to talk about Houghton College! It’s a conservative christian university that fired staff for having pronouns in their email. They receive state funding and are an accredited university despite teaching very extreme views

Kamrin Baker

Midwest shows when!!!!! Kansas City when!!!!!

Kira

i haven’t looked at other recs but you should go to batter and crumbs in philly!! all vegan cafe/coffee shop so delinch. if you can’t make it there, rally coffee is also gewd :)

Sequoia Gawlik

Eliza as a Philly native I feel obliged to tell you were very excited for you guys to be here and also there is an anarchist book store on south street! I can easily see you guys there sowing discourse <3

Delaney O'Neil

Read Educated by Tara Westover! It’s a fantastic book about a woman who was raised fundamentalist Mormon by a bipolar, doomsday prepper father who didn’t believe in anything supposedly run by the government. She didn’t have any sort of schooling until she was 17 and then went on to attend Cambridge and Harvard! I’m super close to finishing it but it’s a fascinating take on education.

Annip
>>110768952

Fair point but most school teachers in school in the US actually have a teaching degree, not a degree in the subject that they teach

izzy

More school related eps!!!! Absolutely loving this one :,)

Alissa Martin

bookstore in chicago — unabridged bookstore in lakeview!!! unfortunately i just moved out of chicago so i will not be attending the show :'((((( big sad but unabridged was my local bookstore and it's soooo frickin cute and very LGBTQ+ focused like they have a giant ~gay~ section it's amaze. please visit and post pics <3

zoë hessian

eliza pull up to all things go the lineup is just 😍😍😍 and there will be so many binchies there (me and the girls)

Lauren Rodgers

Literally see you at All Things Go all my binchies are goingggggg!!!

zoë hessian
>>110783036

that book is so crazy all the stuff she was never told ,,,, when she asked what the holocaust was thats when it all really set in like oh my god they told her nothing

ilovelisteningtopodcasts

Feeling SO seen as an autistic binchie today!! To the homeschooled maybe autistic queen just know even if you’re not actually autistic reading up on autism acceptance and resources created by and for neurodivergent ppl is really helpful for everyone!!! Highly recommend the book unmasking autism by dr devon price

Caroline

Kooky Philly story: Philly Jesus exists and was arrested for solicitation for baptising people in the Logan Circle fountain. The Swiss Cheese Masturbator terrorised South Philly for a stint in the 2010’s, a man ate a rotisserie chicken every day for 40 days, and one of the Ben Franklin impersonators has started a vegan cream cheese company with Tara Lipinski. We also have a tendency to climb poles following a sports victory, so the city government has to use industrial quality lube to grease up the poles. Also idk why but I feel like you guys would LOVE Magic Gardens, which is this like entire house with every surface covered by mosaic, with pottery, glass and mirrors, that this guy Isaiah Zagar just decided to build in his house one day.

Abbey W

omg my bf and i went to philly in like april because we had to take our cat to a special vet hospital in PA (we live in brooklyn) and driving in philly is a NIGHTMARE there are so many tiny side streets that i stg are actually alleys that they decided cars are allowed to go down. also we saw the liberty bell and it honestly wasn’t even all that i wish we had went to the philly museum of art instead 🤷🏻‍♀️

Delaney O'Neil
>>110783036

And when the kids would go on to higher education or do well in something school related that would just further their fathers delusion that they don’t need public school😣

Maya Matlack

Damn I really shot up to check the door at the first woke bell thinking it was our doorbell ringing

Talia Rowan

Eliza when you are in Seattle playing Capitol Hill Block Party, check out Elliot Bay Book Co!! Lovely bookstore and like less than a block away from where you will be playing 💕

Alex
>>110699378

Wasn’t that the name of the school in school of rock too?? Lol

Samia Basille

This episode is so interesting! I'm French and our government recently passed a law restricting homeschooling as a way to fight 'islamism'. The president said that more and more people were taking their kids out of school to send them to illegal schools where all they did was basically pray and learn about islam (I guess it's just another racist moral panic, and that few people actually did that, but there's no data). Also, there's always been strict control over what parents actually teach their kids, with a school official controlling the student's knowledge and skills at least once a year. Now apparently you can only homeschool your child for health reasons. Many families revolted against the law, arguing their children had 'school phobia' and they actually dreaded going to school, which I guess is a fair point. I'm not sure it qualifies as a health reason though, otherwise they wouldn't be so mad.

Maddy Cohen

i got assaulted on the subway in philly :) i love it here

Jess123

Eliza Myopic Books in Wicker Park Chicago!! You will love

Tori D

the liberty bell is boring as shit tbh babes

Damon Drury

ik providence isnt on the your list but if you (Julia) ever come back u shld check out Red Ink !

Julia Maenza

OMGG Philly go to old city coffee then book trader right down the street— my fav neighborhood in the city and my fav coffee and bookstore ANYWHERE

Grace Keane O'Connor

Educated, Tara Westover’s memoire is very enlightening on the fundamentalist Christian side of the horseshoe. Such a powerful story I highly recommend reading!!

Emily

I’m not American but if I were, I would be genuinely afraid of sending my kid to school because the risk of gun violence

Chloe Allen

was so excited when u mentioned the lesbians pulling over to buy tickets for ur show because as a lesbian who is interrailing w her girlfriend i was making the tickets a priority (see u in boston!!)

Chloe Allen

ps trident booksellers is a great cafe/bookstore, but brookline booksmith is definitely my personal favorite bookstore in boston!

Chloe Allen

omg also beacon hill books and cafe is an adorable book store converted from a old red brick house right next to downtown boston that just opened. not the biggest collection, but worth it just to walk around and see, since its so cute!!

Julie O

Highly recommend watching Roots ladies... there's a newer version too. Shoutout to Gambian legend Kunta Kinte!!!!

Una Chambard

You should absolutely go to the greenlight bookstore on Fulton st! And Cafe Alula in Greenpoint is a great lunch/coffee spot. These are both in Brooklyn :))

Abbey W

i watched the duggar doc last night and i cannot WAIT for the bonus episode…. extremely rich text it was

abby elsethagen

binchies! I am a person who spent 13 years at a private christian school in a conservative state & OH BOY the stories I can tell you… there is so much corruption going on there. if y’all do an episode about it TRUST I will be sending a mailbox moment.

Emily Kuper

As a homeschoolee I thought this ep was really well done! I had an overall positive experience, but looking back I definitely was taught some weird shit. I went to a co-op situation and my science teacher was a hard core young earth creationist. One of my friends had clinical anxiety and the principal told her “well you know the Bible said not to have anxiety” I also obviously grew up in a TINY bubble of people so like dating? Did not happen. Diversity of thought? We had one out queer person at our school and it was not fun for her. Working in fast food was the only thing that rounded out my puritanical edges pre college.

Carolyn

the princess books were a core part of my childhood !!

Julia Maenza
>>110794697

Yes love this Philly lore so much— also there’s some good thrifting near magic gardens!

Christina Renje

It‘s really interesting that people in the US see homeschooling as a way to prevent their children from being indoctrinated whilst here in Germany that‘s exactly the reason why homeschooling is illegal. Homeschooling is even seen as a form of child abuse since you‘d prevent your child from being properly socialized. It is only allowed in very rare cases like for example severe illness or child actors. So for me as a German homeschooling was never even a thing and only introduced to me through American media but I never understood the concept of it and why anyone would want to do that. I get that some people have very bad experiences in school, I also didn‘t have a great time but damn I still was happy whenever I could take a break from my abusive family… so for me it‘s very interesting to hear you two discuss this from an American perspective! Great episode!

freya

if u think about it, mailbox moments r actually kinda a cool form sociological research

freya

*form of

Taylor Chick

Loved this episode! My mom is the principal of an alternative highschool in the Denver area called Colorado’s Finest that offers tons of solutions to what’s discussed in this episode! One of the biggest differences is that you get credit for every class you attend and have no homework (unless you missed class that day). Her school is overflowing with queer students who left their public schools, kids who live independently from their parents and work full time, have health conditions, or have experienced bullying, etc. You can graduate with a cosmetology degree, learn how to produce music, garden, farm, and literally so many other things. Some kids want to be done really fast and graduate in 3 years but everyone is allowed to go at their own pace and graduate after 6 years of highschool! It’s free, you just have to apply to go! I so wish that I could have gone to highschool there - she’s the OG godly wife. Rlly good alternative to public school without homeschooling lol.

Josie Hall

Eliza I have your Philly Recs fear not!!! The best coffee is from Jiggy Coffee (good matcha too). The most vibulous coffee shop tho is Elixr on Sydenham St (not the other locations). Bookstores, I would HIGHLY recommend Headhouse Books!!!! We love you in Philly, can’t wait to see u at the second Philly show. Love Josie 💖💖💖💖

Juliette Confer

the liberty bell isn’t even the original one 😭it’s literally a recreation lol

kendall

educated by tara westover touches on so many points that were made in this ep if yall havent read it i highly, highly recommend it!!

ale.mp3
>>111019237

glass castle by jeannette walls talks about a lot of similar issues — both books are really so great

BAILEY TUCKEY

Does anyone know what tier I have to be on to get the media-sodes? Tia xx

Kae

trueeee. i do adopt all of julia's peculiar ways of speaking (i didnt know what idiosyncratic meant so i looked up the dictionary definition and it used peculiar to describe it lol)

Kae

"am i autistic or just homeschooled" is sending me

Kae

also nooo i also used to write down what other people said and regurgitate it, and also really relate to like kimmy schmidt and anne of green gables so i think i also have the tism

Kt

As a public school teacher one of the largest, most underserved districts in the nation, and with an evangelical sister who is gonna homeschool my nieces & nephews because of “gay and trans” indoctrination, this ep has me firedddd up LOL I love you guys!! This convo is so nuanced and becoming a teacher has given me such a wider perspective. Can’t wait to meet u in DC ladies 💗

Olivia

Op I sang the liars go to hell song to a friend in middle school … thinking

Shannon

I actually used to be a teacher at a Waldorf school (which sounds exactly like the school your mom went to Julia) and I left working there because the culture was INSANE. like the people who were also teachers there were actually insane. Maybe I will write in a mailbox moment about it soon

anna lewis

if you guys like evangelical docs you would LOVE the youtuber “fundie fridays”! she was ft in the new duggar doc (the gal with purple hair) and does amazingly well researched videos on different people/groups <3

anna lewis
>>111059870

you stay doing the lords work♥️♥️ so much appreciation for teachers esp now!!!

lily

Ok wait for new york book store….. McNally Jackson in the seaport is my fav of all time. But the seaport is kinda small ? and specific vibe SO u neeeeeeed to get on the ferry and take it to greenpoint. Please.

natalie

dashwood books - best book store in nyc!

Nina Lispi

Philly coffee shop near the Liberty Bell: try “thank you thank you” on 7th and Sansom

KE
>>111102619

they’re how I found her! I think they mentioned her on one of the recent mediasodes

Wakara Miller

y’all what was the UTI meds they recommended called again??

Rain Mara

Y’all can’t just delete the horse girl ep on me like that

M

I was game for that horse EP 🥲

marya

if y’all r interested in this topic i think you’d really enjoy the podcast Have You Heard. it focuses on the history of public education & current issues in the system. there’s also a really good episode of Citations Needed on the history of the parental rights movement.

aleigha

imagine running into the binchies at the liberty bell

Kennadie Dunn

y’all need to watch fundie fridays!!!

jadyn

Is there gonna be another bonus ep this month? Since there's only a week left in the month it's seeming a little grim🥲

Ana Capela

love the ep but u guys should’ve googled the series roots before talking about it 😭

Jillian Cuervo

i had milton gaither, the author of Homeshcooling and American History, as a professor in college!! it was one of my favorite classes. he never wore shoes and would often stunt a red pair of dress pants and a mustard yellow dress shirt to class. barefoot of course

Michelle S.

Girlies PLEASE fix your audio playback volume this podcast is the only one I can never hear with my volume turned all the way up 😭

☆Sara☆

My best friend was homeschooled her entire life up until her freshman year of highschool and she was so overwhelmed her first day that she was crying after lunch. Now she says that she would absolutely never homeschool her kids, especially with the weird Christian curriculum she was given that had an entire segment on purity where she had to sign a contract promising to save herself till marriage. Not all homeschooling is bad but you should not do it for your kids’ entire lives or shelter them so much from the world.

nic (otine)

i did online school my junior year of high school because i had a *mental breakdown* so it wasn't even real homeschooling but i can honestly say i didn't learn shit and what i did was actually a real california public school curriculum

Dimitra Yaou

Chicago favorite coffee shops: - Hexe - Sawada - Metric