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In the second part of their rockstar saga, the girlies discuss the unsung heroes of rock’s orbit — the Black musicians of Soul, the groupies who surrounded the stars, and the grrrls who refused to stand for the bullshit. Digressions include the funeral of unenthusiastic Binchtopia ad reads, not falling for the misogynistic hate campaign against Sophie Turner, and some mailbox moments that seem to be straight out of r/ambien.

SOURCES:

Indexing of Musical Genres: An Epistemological Perspective by Knut Tore Abrahamsen

Just Around Midnight: Rock and Roll and the Racial Imagination by Jack Hamilton

The ‘whitewashing’ of Black music: A dark chapter in rock history by Chris Jancelewicz

Pop Stars Aren’t Popping Like They Used To – Do Labels Have a Plan? By Elias Leight

Why Aren’t More Popstars Being Born? By Chris Eggertsen

A Very Black History of Punk Music

Riot Grrrl: Revolutions from within by Jessica Rosenberg and Gitana Garofalo

Riot Grrrl Manifesto

I’m with the Band: Confessions of a Groupie

'I wouldn’t want this for anybody’s daughter': will #MeToo kill off the rock'n'roll groupie?

Comments

rae

besties i sent u a mailbox moment on my heavily monitored corporate work email on accident 🙈 i couldn’t face getting yelled at so i literally never went back <333 subject was “small midwestern township facebook drama”

Joe Rogan

Adhd graveyard consists of 1 half knitted scarf that every winter i attempt to finish, embroidery set too (I keep this in the 1 bag I embroidered. I started making my boyfriend a cookbook (there’s like 3 recipes lol). So many paints and half finished paintings oop And I have just deferred university to do Mosaics???? Lol

julia

My ADHD graveyard is wild i've got a whole silversmithing workshop, bass guitar, theremin, synth, crochet yarn, sewing machine, woodworking bench and the list goes on...

Taylor Henderson

Very excited to see Pamela Des Barres linked that book changed my life as a 17 year old in her nlog era can’t wait to listen!!

alicia kapeecia

making my work day 10x better queens - ty!!!

Grace Isabel

what if the young couple was just having sex at the exact same time as u LMAO

milly stephenson

julia you said the bob dylan grooming comment too casually i had to pause the pod and lay down…

Josefina Troncoso

this isn’t rock exactly? I don’t know? genre wise they’re a bit of everything? but I always feel lowkey a bit guilty thinking that Depeche Mode made their best work by the time Martin Gore had an alcoholism/stress-induced seizure, Dave Gahan had a heroin-induced heart attack on stage, and Andy Fletcher had a mental breakdown… the music was really good I fear!

Jaelyn Wratchford

resting peacefully in my adhd activity graveyard: clay earrings, metal jewelry, embroidery, sewing, podcasting, quilting, gardening, macrame, cricut vinyl stuff, prob more RIP

Hannah

NYC thrifting really is tough, you are correct Julia. Off the Morgan L there is some good selection and the L train vintage locations are usually pretty well stocked. When I was in college the goodwill by NYU didn’t know about brands yet and you could get rag and bone jeans for the same price as old navy jeans, good times 🥲

madison 💐

julia!! a really good taco spot in brooklyn is on bay ridge ave called tacos el torito

Delaney O'Neil

Omg years ago I got fixated on polymer clay miniatures and dropped a bag at Michael’s to make my own….I think I spent maybe 15 mins making something and it wasn’t good so I just never did it again😩

Megan McSweeney

Wait whereeeeeee is the lotion blooper post lol

✨

Speaking of new pop girls .. I'm needing to know if binchtopia is on the Chappell roan train yet

ssteph

binchtopia patreon comment section my safe space fr

ssteph

julia’s first mailbox moment girlie really said i’m phoebe bridgers in silk chiffon

Olivia Lesch

Y’all have been popping oFFFF with the long episodes. Thank you mommies 😇😇

V

I desperately need y’all to discuss title fight

lauren

adhd craft graveyard: crochet, knitting, sewing, embroidery. exactly like julia

ssteph

rock is actually just any song that has a neat guitar riff is what i’ve decided

kenny

kindlestresses rise up

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She's absolutely about to be shot to the moon

Bree

I am what you call a hobby collector. My graveyard: jelwery making, water color, paints, knitting, crochet, collating, sculpting, pottery 🫠

Raven Decorah

thinking about my resin graveyard

Camryn

JULIA: as a New York binchie, i must recommend going to the L Train Vintage in Gowanus. I believe it’s actually called No Affiliaton vintage (lol) but if u go when it opens at 12pm i stg u will find the cutest stuff!! i can’t tell you how many amazing pieces i have found for dirt cheap. I have gotten two dresses there for like 12 bucks each and two jumpsuits for 20-25. plus a purse for 11!! u must go to there

Danielle

Tbh maybe it’s good new pop artists aren’t popping up. Thinking of p diddy’s inappropriate relationship with Bieber and Usher. Gives Hollywood less young talent to prey on!

Valeria Chavez

My adhd graveyard is glass. I took one stained glass class and have literally glass and knives sitting in a random box under my desk

Danielle

Also as a Michigan girl, feeling v special for the 3 Michigan mentions over the last two episodes

Willow

When I was moving into my first apartment 2020 postgrad, I was determined to paint all of the art I would hang. Now there are about 4 canvases of various sizes orphaned at my parents house

karlise loza

merry clayton was pregnant when recording gimme shelter! she literally had a miscarriage the next day which she believes was caused by the strain necessary to sing the gimme shelter vocals multiple times

Georgia B

Girls my ADHD graveyard got so bad. I decided I was going to make a candle business, crowdfunded £600 from my family to help me start. Bought all the the stuff - never made a single candle.

Hannah

You’ve got to steam / wash your shit GOOD but it’s consistently the best selection and prices, easily

Danica

Julia you gotta thrift in Brooklyn, try le point value on Clarkson it'll be a bit of a trek for you but it's very LA valley thrifting vibes

Dianna Cohen

neeeed to plug my bff's band JVK - awesome woman fronted punk rock group. one of my favorite bands i think they have a new EP coming out this week tok

Emily

Beautiful insightful and lovely ep. A classic herstory. But about Greta van fleet, I think your opinion about what it is they are doing with their music might change if you looked into their newer work. It is very much rock but also folky and has so much dimension and love intertwined. Plus the lead singer just came out as queer and jaws were DROPPED! Saying this as a fan who thoroughly enjoys there music <333

Luteal Swan

Whet is a Tomato girl aesthetic lol

Emily M

Justice for GVF 😭😭😭

hadassah g

the binchies need an official binchtopia rock playlist

Siena

hmm lets see ADHD craft graveyards…crochet and half finished crochet blanket, embroidery stuff, chokers made with scrap fabric, sewing machine that has never been touched, collage materials, ingredients from baking projects, pasta machine that hasn’t been touched in months etc..

Halli Racz

Y’all lowkey NEED to watch Almost Famous after this ep

Kotryna

very off topic, but neeed Julia to discuss balerinafarm winning miss america or however thats called. nobody around me understands this topic lol x

Vanessa Morton

love the pod and the ep! i will say about luke combs’ cover of fast car: tracy chapman has said she is happy that her song is getting more attention, shes getting royalties for luke’s cover, and has no issue with the whole cover situation!!! love both artists and don’t want people to think that this is a bad situation where her work is being exploited

Marlee

my adhd graveyard included crocheting, cross-stitching, candle-making, and jewelry making 🩷🫶🏻

baby yaga

wand and a rabbit lyric sent me into orbit like that’s a seminal text right there that’s lyrical genius

Gillian Simpson

Omg!! Just starting to listen to this episode but I can confirm the band ‘the beaches’ is the best!!! I’ve been a fan for a while and have seen & met them a few times! Their music is so interesting, experimental and fresh. A lot of their older music is more rock-ish but their newer stuff leans pretty pop-y! They’re very anti-man rn and most of them are lesbian &or bi! As much as I love to listen to their music, I have to add that nothing compares to seeing them live. I’ve been to many a concert but they have by far the best stage presence I’ve ever seen in my entire life. They’re about to go on tour so even if you haven’t familiarized yourself with their music I still highly recommend you go if you have the opportunity. They also have a new album being released on Friday so keep an eye out for that. So cool to hear about them on binchtopia. I been following them for a while and they have really blown up with their song ‘blame Brett’ and it’s just so cool to see them becoming so successful after being a well established band for so long:,)

Riley Burton

OMG!!! I wasn’t the binchie who wrote in but I’ve been a fan of The Beaches since 2019! Love love love them and I’m so glad to see they’re starting to get some more widespread recognition! Are you going to their upcoming tour?

Gillian Simpson

Yes!!! Going to see them in Vancouver BC & I might try to snag a ticket to the Victoria show as well!!! Are you!?

jaq

so glad you mentioned SOPHIE because she is such a rock star

Megan Watson

Binchies I NEEEED a better help/talk space episode but also the companies that deliver meds to your door like birth control, ADHD meds etc

sophie

Eliza!! come to Shorthand on Larchmont (across from binch bookstore) and we have undated planners and other fun stationery things

Herberta Cain

ACK I need this too bc I tried talkspace recently and on my 2nd 30 minute therapy session the therapist went over all these intro questions and was telling me how the website works until I was like hold ON did we not go over this last week? And she was like oh. And so I only got 10 minutes left all we could do was chitchat basically. It felt so unprofessional although I probably should have said something quicker but I genuinely thought well maybe she has to do these questions at every session? (I just think it's bs also that you only get 30 minutes a session

Herberta Cain

Bottom line of my ramble that site did NOT sit right with me I wanna know the rest of what shenanigans is going on

Kelsey Austin

Just wanted to say I saw Illuminati hotties open for boy genius in Missoula, Montana and it was incredible!! 🩵

glennan

ok but would you accept a sponsorship from goodles??

Alyssa ♡

Julia I will trade you my felting craft graveyard for your crochet craft graveyard. <3 They should make an app for the hyperfixators and trading temporary hobbies like that

Alyssa ♡

PLS we need an episode on Hers and the sister company Hims they feel borderline illegal

lauren baker

tbh boygenius is my fave current rock band and their shows have a great rich star energy. in a 2020s kind of way

lauren baker

for DC punk - there’s a really amazing online archive of the zines

Maya Matlack

I humbly submit Renee Rapp as a popping pop star coming into the scene

Michaela Liesching

My crafts graveyard includes, mosaic, macrame, embroidery, beading and more 😂

Laura

Don’t be shy share the playlist Eliza

Caroline Collins

Hello! I am getting my PhD in ethnomusicology at the university of Chicago and might I recommend some scholars to read if you are interested in learning more: Travis Jackson - mostly writes about jazz / race but also writes about rock and genre formation Jennifer Iverson - writes a lot about genre formation / disability studies and popular music Paula Harper - a literal Taylor Swift scholar (her work is not super related to the episode but just in case the binchies would like to read about Taylor Swift / other female musical icons from a slaystress scholar)

Caroline Collins

Also rec Raymond “Williams Structures of Feelings” on genre formation / general historical periodization !

Casey Croft

Eliza and Julia stay the realest 💯

Ava Anderson

Really obsessed with y’all not doing ads just because you don’t want to🤍

Ava Anderson

The ADHD crafts graveyard 😭😭 I’m crying, I have yarn, art supplies, unread books and unused planners galore (however I’ve actually stuck with crochet and I’m proud of myself🧍🏻‍♀️)

Becca Kirkland

not me listening to this while crocheting and newly in my crocheting addiction … manifesting that this isn’t a phase and my yarn doesn’t go into my ADHD graveyard :(

Becca Kirkland

ALSO buying a planner in feb 2020 that went unused is a pandemic canon event…

Karen Fonstad

I looked up don johnson’s dating history on Wikipedia and it is honestly so disturbing

Laura

Chappell Roan… next big pop star fer sure

Siena

there’s a rly good documentary about female backup singers called 20 feet from stardom!

baby.yogurt

ohmygod Eliza that same thing happened to me with ur downstairs neighbors overhearing u having sex and then imitating you, except for me our downstairs neighbors heard us and then started playing "let's get it on" super loudly out of their window........truly mortifying and haunting moment. thankfully we didn't see those neighbors after that. but I'm so sorry u had to go thru that wth!!

baby.yogurt

also Julia I feel u on the noise issue, we just moved but before this place my bf and I lived downtown and the noise was truly a nightmare, all kinds of massive semi trucks VROOMing by every five minutes, ear piercingly loud motorcycles, people yelling n screaming on the street below, live music every night at the brewery across the way......I've been sleeping with earplugs every night for years and it's helpful but like. that noise will make u lose ur mind at times

Leimoni

No bc like three months ago the Jonas brothers were running around nyc partying with my friends for like a good few weeks. Ummmm how tf was he supposedly helping with the kids and all that while partying for like a week on end ??

Addie Rogers

The adhd craft graveyard is too real 😭

Jess123

I needed this education. Triggered bc this is reminding me of seeing the Rob Pattinson Batman movie & I asked my boyfriend who sings that main song. He told me it’s Nirvana, & I asked “did they write the song for this movie” 🤡 I’ve never been roasted so hard in my life. Not my fault my mom raised me only listening to matchbox twenty & Bon Jovi ☠️☠️☠️

Olivia

Idk which came first but house music (I’m a huge house/trance fan) grew out of a similar DIY movement esp in Detroit and Chicago, people were just like buying rolands and moogs and making random tracks that ppl would go crazy for at warehouse parties, kind of like hip hop, and when I first started getting into the history I was surprised house was so old as a genre, like very late 70s in order to diverge from disco bc it got so commercialized and queer ppl didn’t have a safe space anymore. Also based on my extensive experience as a groupie adjacent college girl in the edm scene there’s always like two spaces that are predominantly queer or straight depending on which show you go to (at least in my city) and so my reach has only ever gone so far lol. But just being in that scene the older guy younger girl thing is just taken for granted and I’ve heard so many stories from female friends about some of the terrible behavior from men that we both know, and some of them just continue to replace girls their exes with someone younger and hotter, and many of them work in the music industry in some way, so the cycle continues

Riley Burton

I missed out on Calgary tix but I’m hoping I can find some Calgary or Edmonton ones soon!!

Sophie Wilson

THICK is a great grrl riot band if anyone’s looking for good “rock” these days

Lucy Kaminsky

Julia, I lived in Chinatown above the bar called basement -- it was so loud. I highly reccomend getting a white noise machine, particularly the LectroFan High Fidelity White Noise Machine as it's loud enough to actually help you sleep and is also great to help blur out noise when you need to focus. XO

Abby Wilson

not julia being guinevere beck from You… what if dan from gossip girl starts peeping in ur windows

Anna

there’s a doc on youtube about teenage girls during riotgrrl, it’s call dirty girls

Kendal Parkhurst

OMG the ADHD craft graveyard i have sprinted to the comments. i’ve always been labeled as the “crafty” one in my family and the graveyard is endless. I have a whole embroidery machine, I had a sticker making phase, crochet, knitting, scrapbooking, and the most recent one was making little dioramas that i ordered from amazon and never finished

katrina!

Sabrina carpenter is popping

SlenderLADY 💅🏽

Omg y’all, you very vaguely mentioned Michelle Phillips from the Mamas and The Papas, and it reminded me of the awful rabbit hole I went down regarding Michelle Phillips former husband and band mate, John Phillips, who truly may have been the creepiest disgustingest evilest creep of them all. *TW for inc*st if you look it up, I’ll leave it there, but I did not know about it until recently and it ruined California Dreamin for me forever. Love n light n healing to all the people who were and continue to be taken advantage of by shitty men with guitars. ❤️‍🩹

SlenderLADY 💅🏽

Oh also Amyl and The Sniffers is a woman-led punk rock group that is absolutely 💯 I’m fully obsessed and need more fans in LA so they’ll come here for a show

SlenderLADY 💅🏽

There are some DEEEPLY speculative TikTok’s about him and his love of the rock n roll lifestyle 🤢🥴 i don’t have receipts but would not be surprised if they’re true

Valeria Reynosa

This episode inspired me to become a DJ groupie last night 🧎🏻‍♀️🧎🏻‍♀️

Leimoni

Chinatown basement knows how to make a good cocktail tho but very sorry abt the noise

Valeria Reynosa

My ADHD craft graveyard are my grad school applications

Leimoni

I wouldn’t be surprised either. His PR team is working over time to change the narrative

Annika Lawson

if you girlbosses want more music history, Polyphonic on yt does cool deep dives of music history

amanda

I have to recommend the book Girls to the Front by Sara Marcus for anyone wanting to read about the riot grrl movement!!

Rose Holub

I was preparing myself for the Greta van fleet hate but it still pained me a little😭 listen past the first album and they really start to come into their own! plus they’re all very talented musicians and have a Grammy under their belt :) (do I wish I was a groupie for them and is this completely biased?… no not at all!)

Rose Holub

also… they do a great job of honouring those who came before them! they often say that they listened to more blues/roots stuff growing up instead of the lz era, which I think is worth noting

Katherine Wynn

girls i’m literally in school for musicology you jump scared me with this episode

Alana Wegner

i’m fucking dying at crouched in da papers

Alana Wegner

if you’re reading this, listen to mannequin pussy NOW

izzy

If you like the beaches listen to the aces!!! They are gay!!!

Sarah

I listened to the first part of this episode yesterday while extremely high and some of the insightful commentary was blowing my mind. When Julia compared classical music to the Bible in that it sets out the rules that were broken later I had to turn it off because it felt like my brain was breaking. I went back this morning to re listen sober and the commentary was just as insightful but less brain breaking lol anyway I’m not done yet but (clearly) enjoying this so so far

Amanda Glatter

OMG JULIA ELIZA pleeeeaaase talk about RIOT GRRRLS!!!! Like bikini kill and babes in toyland

boots

yasssss more people straight men love that I can hate

Alana Wegner

heating eliza talk about something near and dear to my heart just makes me so happy. as someone who had never felt apart of anything until I moved to the city and discovered the punk scene, i love y’all for this episode 🫶 if anyone is looking for a playlist with all female led punk / hardcore / post punk bands old and new check mine out! i put my whole pussy into it https://spotify.link/BvprTGKc9Cb

Erin

I also just wanna take a moment to commemorate how much of a feminist Kurt Cobain was in a time where it was very much not the norm for a male rockstar to be one

Kierra Sewell

Julia move out of Manhattan and all your nyc probs will be solved

Shannon M

the crafts graveyard is so real i tried polymer clay, embroidery, sewing, painting, jewelry,, the list goes on. finally i tried knitting which i stuck to !! but i still have everything else :/

Phoebe

Greta Van Fleet hate is actually always welcome, cherished, celebrated etc.

Julia Wolfe

Gotta say I love the Death shoutout. I discovered them this summer! Such beautiful sound!!!

Tyler sturgeon

I was obsessed with Pamela’s books when I was 14-16 and going through a classic rock phase. Honestly would be so interesting to re read them from a more developed a critical way of thinking. At 14 I thought it was the coolest thing ever and didn’t question what those men did. Also watching interviews with the baby groupies of that era they don’t acknowledge what the men did was wrong because in their heads they were the ones instigating it

Vanessa Carolina Marcano-Kelly

hmm. I don't think the country cover was disrespectful to Tracy Chapman's masterpiece. And she was very well recognized for it when it first came out, she even said something positive about the recent cover, she's getting royalties for the cover and the song is currently nominated as best song at the CMA 🤯👏. The controversy seemed kind of overblown. I also enjoy the little house/chill cover of Fast Car. A great episode as always!

Heather

fellow nyc binchy here, i live above 4 bars (rip) and the best thing is having either your AC fan blowing or like an air purifier for white noise and then get super high before bed :):):) it may take awhile to adjust but i just became a harder sleeper after awhile

Heather

also pull down blinds with sheer curtains for day time is soooo slay love u

Skylar Alexis

i spent around $100 on oil painting stuff, thinking i was gonna be this graceful artist...😭 never touched it lol💔

Skylar Alexis

dear coyote mailbox moment binchie, pls comment if you're a patreonite cause my name is also Skylar & i also live in the Vancouver area! :) hi to any vancouver area binchies ♡

beep boop

getting shy in front of the coyote ☺️

Sarah Greene

OMG SAME the mamas n papas has always been one of my favs like of all time type band😭 and i literally!!! just like yesterday saw someone on twitter/tiktok, can’t remember, mention the John Phillips stuff and I WAS FLABBERGASTED!! i feel so icky and sad i can’t believe i never knew abt this before. like do our parents generation know??? is this a new thing?? my family’s pretty music-“centered” so i’m having a hard time believing my parents never brought it up or not that i can remember at least. such a fcking disappointment😭

Mic

sooooo happy to hear Im With The Band mentioned in this EP. i loveeeddd that book & ms debarres

Lucia Olt

Hello everybody I just unpatroned but I will come back when I can financially afford to💓 I really respect u guys for getting rid of ads and saying no to hello fresh and better help LOL. Tbh I might resubscribe soon once I am caught up on regular episodes

Lucia Olt

You guys got me through family vacation drama, car rides, hour-plus long daily commutes, asynch classes, and more and I love u so much

Lucia Olt

Does anyone know how to get more friends to listen to Binchtopia because I’ve been rly bad at getting ppl to start listening to the podcast

Shannon Higgins

the craft graveyard is insane, the 2010s diy craft era had its HOLD on me. cleaned out my closet recently to find an abundance of crafting supplies. the standout was a decade old, hot glued together wreath made of literal plastic spoons that i had melted over a candle to shape the spoon parts into something that i think was supposed to resemble flower petals?? can’t remember what possessed me to make such a thing

Tyler Love

You guys should do an episode like this on pop stars and pop culture! -summer

Sam Haimowitz

@Skylar you are so fucking real for that and I have been cackling at “runnnnNNNIIIIIINGGGG … coyyyOOOOTTTTTEEEEEE” for the past ten minutes

priscilla

y’all HAVE to do an episode on evan rachel wood and marilyn manson!! i would love to hear your thoughts on the whole situation from the doc to the lying allegations. love y’all <3

Boodles

Do not get me STARTED on fast car luke comb is my enemy

SlenderLADY 💅🏽

Ya I think it was kept super hush hush back when they were popular despite rumors undoubtedly circling. But I think it wasn’t until sorta recently like past couple of decades that the daughter spoke out publicly about it. Also I know Michele Phillips protected him and tried to victim blame the daughter/ say she was making stuff up which also makes it even more 🤢🤢

Cam <3

I’m so late to this but I was just indoctrinated to binchieness last month so I’m listening a little behind. Anywayssss, I instantly thought of the girl punk band The Slits in this episode. They made extremely unique music and were truly iconic. Clothes, clothes, clothes. Music, music, music. Boys, boys, boys is the memoir I read to learn about them, and it’s written by Viv Albertine, the guitarist—so raw and gripping! Give it a read :) <333