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Fatshamed At the 9/11 Tribute Rager (Patreon)

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The girlies finally give the people what they’ve been begging for — an episode on fraternities and sororities. They investigate the fake Greek roots of the American phenomenon, the cost of sorority rush (both spiritual and financial), the dangers of Greek Life, and so much more. Digressions include a wealth of mailbox moments about your own cursed sorority experiences.

SOURCES:

How American Sororities Got Their Start

The American Fraternity

The Divine Nine: The history and impact of Black Greek letter organizations

A Brief History of Jewish Greek Life

‘I went through it so you should too’: Why Greek Life hazing won’t die

10 Sorority Hazing Horror Stories

I Let 3 Sorority Rush Consultants Read My Life for Filth

Parents pay me $3,500 to help their daughters get into a sorority.

It’s All Greek to Me

How Does Sorority Recruitment Work?

College Students Keep Dying Because of Fraternity Hazing. Why Is It So Hard to Stop?

Students accused of sexual misconduct say Title IX isn't working — and victims agree

The Hunting Ground: the failures of a new documentary about rape on college campuses.

Sexual Victimization Among Sorority Women by Amanda Hinkel

Bama Rush TikTok Is Exposing the Wild Money Behind College Greek Life

Comments

Meredith Floyd

oh thank god this is going to get me through the afternoon at work

Alana Wegner

needed to get my ass up and clean anyways

Mary

this title omfg 😭

anni

period!!!!!!

Drew H

the fucking title lmao i just know this is gonna be a good one

Molly

The way I won’t be listening to this episode bc that shit is too triggering 🤧🤙

Elena Robertson

YASSS not me walking down my college ass street listening to this

lils

answering my prayers ty godly wives🥰🙌

sis and bub

happy hazing prevention week🫡

maya

Seeing this at sorority rush……..

Ashley Stafford

cannot wait to be enlightened in the church of binchtopia

Josefina Troncoso

Periodddd right when I sat down to draw! I’m in a place of not being able to listen to anything else so I think at this point I’ve listened to the last like 10 recent episodes so much that I could actually recite full sentences

Jackie Leuci

Finallyyyyy babes, now I can share this with my step sister who’s in a sorority at U of Bama

avvsies

At my school there was an “Indian Bros and Navahoes” themed Greek party, and the aftermath was the 9-11 of our college experience

Luteal Swan

My mom is a binchie patron. Mom if you see this text me a 🐬 emoji

Meredith Floyd

also the “it’s so preppy in here” store is in dallas lol i have recently fallen down the rabbit hole w the scandal surrounding their ambassadors & unfortunately know too much about it

adara

missed to chance to talk about my years of experience manipulating the men of the engineering frat at umich (gods work if u ask me)

avvsies

THE FUNDIP SNORT STORY IM SCREAMMMMINGGG

Yves_ell

Saw the notification and thought we were getting another 9/11 episode 😞😭🤬 oh well there's always next time 🦧

Hannah Mitchell
>>118407605

i lived next to a university that infamously had many racial incidents, one of which was a “cowboys vs illegal aliens” themed party. this party occurred 3 years ago and the dean of the school ruled it out by saying “free speech”😌

avvsies
>>118407605

Damn!!! This incident happened in like 2014 and our University president shut everything down for a whole quarter lol

Madison Hodges

glad to hear covid-era sorority representation. truly the ninth circle of hell

Meredith Floyd

my sorority still has a secret handshake we had to do it on the way into every single chapter meeting lol

ssteph

god tier ep title

Allie Meger

this episode for the scarred sorority girlies

lauren baker

omg eliza you should have had your mom on this eo. would have loved to hear her thoughts

kerrie

there is indeed still a secret handshake and secret password

alyssa castillo

what they don't tell you about recruitment is how much sensory overload there will be. as prepared as you are nothing will throw you "off your game" more than at least 20-30 pairs of girls speaking with outdoor voices all in the same room. i am in a mid-tier sorority at a small catholic school and i genuinely do have so much love and respect for my experience but it is so important to note that this is not the same experience that everyone gets. such an important episode:)

ssteph

so having a bat shit crazy house mom didn’t just happen to me huh?

kerrie

unfortunate correction corner bc I had to memorize it and take a test 😭 I. C. Sorosis became Pi Beta Phi 😭😭😭

Chris Rossi

As a former frat Bro and Binchie, yes. The handshakes persist

Zoee Keiser

My dad was in an Agricultural frat at OSU and he refuses to speak about the hazing he’s so fake

Brianna Bogucki

My flop ex-boyfriend was in a frat and they had an event called Tour de Franzia where they had to complete mini games on bikes while finishing a bag of wine between their team of four. I leant him my bike for this & they broke it and never paid me back. Now he is a 27yo nurse with a hero complex & is dating a girl who is a senior in college & also in a sorority. Much to consider

Julia

Eliza… have you ever been to Julian’s

Phoebe

listening to this ep walking back to my room in my sorority house <3

alyssa castillo

my last comment! i feel so many different ways about sorority culture as someone who participated in it. for my chapter, at least, and ik probably for others across the u.s. we have our national philanthropies as well as our local philanthropies. i feel like the amount that's done for each org's respective philanthropy is dependent on the leadership but something i find so beautiful and a point that ultimately led me to joining my org is that we have adopted the epilepsy foundation as a local philanthropy in honor of a sister who passed away a few years before i came to college. although she is gone, i think the older girls have done such a great job to honor her and have used their position of power to do a great thing for their friend. yet i think again that like a small northeast sorority cannot be comparable to big SEC schools, although they all fall under the same racist roots. i was hazed by a new member in my pledge class and physically attacked and psychologically tortured for a solid month, which speaks to the negative sides of what sorority culture can be. yet, when i made the decision to drop and came forward about the hazing, i was greeted with a lot of support and love from people i barely knew as compared to a girl i considered to be one of my best friends. till this day i feel the love and support of the women i consider my sisters and have found solace in leadership positions that allow me the oversight to make sure all new members are safe from hazing in any form -- even if from their own pc

Julia
>>118412056

I moved to chapel hill last year for my masters and have yet to go in but it still is a cornerstone of my Franklin st experience lmao

Julia
>>118412056

every time Eliza talks about chapel hill I really feel I am in Binchtopia

Meredith Floyd

i went to clemson and we have the tucker hipps transparency act there because he was basically killed by his sorority during pledging and it’s been almost ten years and not one of the guys there has been charged or once spoken about it

sophia perkins

just opened this post and i’m already SO excited seeing a source about the divine 9 ❤️

Meredith Floyd
>>118412725

it tells you why and for how long each organization is on probation or suspended and goes back a few years

Hannah

hello i got super lazy and never sent in an email but yes we did have secret handshakes and secret door knocks (i was in gphi)

Kate

God the bama rush documentary SUUUUUUUUCKED it was soooo bad she really had the chance to make something profound and she didn’t even drop a dollar amount when she discussed the rush coaches

ssteph

the fraternities on my college campus would get temporary house moms when they got in trouble lol

Mic

idc i think y’all should just share the secret handshakes and such

Mary B

ahhh not you uploading this before my road trip 💋💋💋

Alana Wegner

I go to texas state, it is back but i will say not as prevalent

kerrie

its the way I wrote a research paper about the Hunting Ground and college campus SA in high school and Boulder was featured then I still went here and got assaulted lmao my experience with Title IX was also abysmal my attacker quite literally str*ngled me and the school took it “very seriously” until his parents lawyers got involved and he was let back on campusSpring semester… CU is the CEO of SA cover ups and its only gotten worse after Betsy Devos I wrote an article ab it for the school paper lololollll

kerrie

thank yall so much for this episode it means so much and impacts literally every college aged person I know its fucking insane

kerrie
>>118413451

only one at my school has one but its because of a death in 2015

ssteph

choosing to believe i was cut from 15/18 sororities first round when i rushed because of my birks

Emma Lewis

we did still use a secret handshake as of 2022, we used it during our monthly “formal” chapter meeting and initiation

kerrie

when are we eating the alumni networks

kerrie

random fact also is that boulder is one of the worst schools in the country for EDs, but a lot of patients are actually frat boys because as part of hazing their meal swipe cards are taken and they are forced to eat canned dog food for like a month

AJ

i have a friend who was in a sorority and they don’t have a secret handshake but they do make a gang sign-esque hand symbol that represents their greek letters and ur not supposed to do the signal to anyone outside your sorority

AJ
>>118415335

also this is in canada and i’m pretty sure the reason we don’t have sorority houses is because that many women in one house would be legally considered a brothel?????? idk i’m too lazy to fact check that

Emma Lewis

eliza you can see the rankings on greekrank.com……… the WORST place to be as a new member

Olivia Peters

going to an sec school w huge greek life culture was insane. at usc frats would rent out bars downtown and only girlies and guys in the frat were allowed to attend and they usually had a bar tab. also the amount of times i got asked my freshman year what sorority i was in only to reply that i wasn’t in one and be ignore was SO common like they really dgaf about you unless you’re one of them

Luteal Swan

My worst+super abusive ex was in SAE at a big state school. he was extremely misogynistic, racist, and to no surprise, sexually assaulted me. I dated him because I was 19 and insecure. My fascination with Greek life began when we dated because I was not in a sorority/ sorority material (and I would never conform like that lol) and I felt like he always compared me to these women who represented the ultimate way to be conventionally feminine/ attractive. Also he bc he was in a “top frat” he would party with the “top sororities”. One time he got MAD AT ME, because I felt insecure that he was taking this sorority girl to a date party(we were long distance) idk the whole experience left a bad taste in my mouth for all Greek life, but it’s still pretty interesting to observe as someone who would never belong to that type of institution, but was always so close if that makes sense. I dumped his ass years ago and I have no idea what he’s doing now, I also don’t really care. he was a deranged miserable person. Love the pod. Also you should look into the book “women of discriminating taste” it’s about the racist history of sororities. Love y’all

kerrie
>>118412725

wait thats actually incredible like if we cant get greek life banned the least we could get is transparency. One frat at my school drugged 40 girls my freshman year (im a senior now) and they just got their house back and none of the younger kids even know what they did

Meredith Floyd
>>118412725

yeah like it doesn’t fix everything but at least there’s a record? like anyone can access that at anytime, just sucks it took someone dying and the case never being solved for it to happen:/ i think all schools should adopt it!! so much is just considered part of the secrecy surrounding greek life when a lot of it should be shared!!!

Sandra N

Yikes the 9/11 theme!! a frat at my college had a Vietnam war themed party!! they served orange fanta drinks called “agent orange” 💀 THE AUDACITY. this was insane considering VSA (Vietnamese student association) was one of the largest cultural orgs on campus.

ssteph

this ep brought back so many memories from my sorority years and out of pocket shit that happened… my house would straight up fine you money if you missed chapter, sisterhood events, or anything else they deemed “required”. most of us also slept in one large bunk room that they called “cold air” because it was always cold and dark in there. cult vibes fr

Emily

At one point Eliza says that there isn’t like a ranking of the colleges on the college website, but there kinda so is. If you look up Greek rank and then the school, there will be a compleate breakdown of each frat and sorority and how good they are

Ella
>>118413893

Hi Kerrie I also went to cu and I’m so sorry you experienced this, it’s disgusting that nothing is done about this and the school clearly doesn’t give a fuck

chessie

lol when I was 18 and going to frat parties (dark times) I was also told to NEVER go to an SAE party at my university because they were known for assault. Also me and all my friends got roofied the same night at a frat party, luckily we were okay because we had some guy friends with us who weren’t in that frat (not sure how they got in) but they got all of us home unscathed somehow

kerrie

there isnt a money hungrier school on earth for realllll but perhaps all schools are like this

Erin Healey

All of this is so crazy to read about and listen to…I went to a catholic university in New York City we did not have this…although we did have what were essentially frat houses in the form of sport houses aka big apartments that got passed down by the sports team throughout the years and the ppl there were insane and sucked

Peyton Guthrie

I MUST know where this aphi went to school

Ella
>>118413893

Almost all of the frats at cu are unaffiliated with the school so the school “doesn’t have responsibility” but they’re still associated with cu and right next to the campus but this makes it so that boulder police end up having to deal with any of these issues and they usually don’t do much. Those in the frats also don’t face any consequences from the school because they are unaffiliated. Most students have no idea so when something happens it’s a while struggle to figure out how to deal with it because they don’t know if they should go to the school or the police. It’s a horrible cycle

Haven Patrick

i really wanted to write in but my brain blocked out a lot of the bullshit that i went through w the sorority (that i early-alum'd out of). my boss went to a large university in the 90s, she lived in the sorority house and her house mom straight up d!ed during breakfast one morning. wild.

Mary Hoffman

Sooo excited to listen. I also would be really interested to hear an episode on Disney stars 🫡

Tristan Breath

Not the OU tri delt blackface mention in the mailbox moment 😭

Jess Mirls

I’m Australian so this topic has alwayssss fascinated me, it is probably an example of the complete antithesis of australian culture in almost every way. It’s so fascinating. I went to a large uni in Melbourne and the closest similarity I can think of was probably the culty student politics, or maybe the prestige of the Melbourne private schools many students had come from. Anyway this shit is hilarious and I’m obsessed

Maggie Howes

I am so excited to listen! Needed this before my date with an ex-frat boy man

emily cole

five mins in and it’s breaking my heart to admit that i’m in a sororittyyyyy my queens please forgive me do not send me to the pillory

Lacey Kohler

I went to Bama in 2018 and didn’t rush lol it was crazy. The machine is real and such an open secret.

lola bolado

rn im linsing in my college dorm bathroom (we have no greek life!)

Emily

secret handshakes are alive & well 🫡

Emily

I listened to an older episode where y’all were like if we really put our back into it we probably could do a 6 part episode on 9/11 and as you were saying “we finally are doing it” here today I was like dang…. they rlly are doing a full 9/11 ep

Kay

Julia’s disgust this episode was SO entertaining

Alyssa ♡

Tri Delta is the one my sorority roomie went for because they had “diversity” (brunettes and 1-2 girls who weren’t white)

Grace

a girl at my college lied about having CANCER to get out of having to work her sorority’s recruitment events… that wasn’t even what got her kicked out of the house though, it was her fatshaming another house on insta…

Emily

the other thing about rush is that the recruitment team pre-assigns who you talk to, and they'll match the "best" girls in the sorority with the PNMs who have the highest pre-score. it's honestly gross how they rank girls in their own sorority like this. they don't let ""ugly"" girls talk to PNMs at all bc they want to put on the facade that everyone in the sorority is hot..in my sorority they made these girls hide in the kitchen prepping water for the rest of the girls, or even hid them in the basement!

Anna Granados

Even at UCLA (which you’d think would be on the better end of Greek life) there are so many issues. One sorority only recently reversed a rule where every girl had to get spray tanned the same shade before recruitment. There’s a frat so known across universities for abusing girls that my mom and I realized we had the same nickname for it—“sexual assault expected.” My roommate was in a “top house” and would essentially invite me and my third roommate to hang out with her and her sorority friends only to have them all ignore us when they realized we weren’t also in top houses. The sorority roommate eventually basically stopped talking to me except to brag about how “she’s an 8/10” in terms of attractiveness. Painful to watch.

SlenderLADY 💅🏽

“It’s just an absurdity to me” - Julia, also me about anything

Shelby Wilkerson

Tufts shoutout ayeeeeee! Why did I as a black woman delude myself into rushing A phi??????

Hannah

When I was a freshman Pike was the roofie frat and AePi was the nice frat (they ordered my first fake for me, I loved that pledge class and I hate frats) and by my junior year that reversed??? I guess the younger pledge classes in AePi LOVED to spike a drink meanwhile the younger pikes figured out that painting their nails black and starting a letterboxd was a more effective way to get laid

Hannah

Also the “hot sorority” at my school had a hazing thing called blow or blow where you either had to do cocaine or give a blowjob. As a lesbian with a bad family heart history and ADHD I could never dream of this lol. I rushed with my friend who didn’t want to do it alone but was turned off by the weird element of forced heterosexuality in Greek life even though I wasn’t even out to myself yet at the time.

Caroline Emenaker

I definitely recommend looking into the fraternity, sorority political action committee. A lot of the people that run the sororities are a part of it, and dues do go to it depending on which one you’re in. They supported Mitch McConnell and a bunch of other nasty people. It’s technically neutral, but it usually sways Republican I think.

Caroline Emenaker
>>118456877

And some of that money is from philanthropy. As much as a lot of Greek life, people don’t want to admit, the money they raise, does go to nationals. Now it’s dependent on the sorority or fraternity, some of them get divided up differently in and are sent directly to whoever it’s raise for. But if it sent to a foundation, usually they’re taking a cut of it and using it for other stuff.

Morgan Felt

Y’all are my Roman Empire 💖

Camy Allison

Yeah there’s a website called Greek rank look it up it’s horrible.

jen

ok but like the way hazing happens in the medical profession is insane

jen

would love an ep on that. source: my med school trauma

Susie McKeon

I swear at least 5 different sororities all claim to be the first like sister… sorry but you can’t all be the first!!!

tabby mcewen

Loved this ep!! we have fraternities in Germany too and imo they’re even scarier/sus than in the US. I was doing a year abroad in Freiburg and we got invited to a frat party that was in a medieval-style hunting lodge and had extreme 1930s vibes. There were taxidermied animals everywhere (that they’d hunted) antlers on the walls, and lots of swords, as duelling is a big part of German frat culture. The party itself had very Americanised ‘Greek life’ energy too with beer pong etc. so it was such a weird contrast. Also at my home uni, Oxford, there are so many similar things like secret drinking societies, Piers Gavs and the Bullingdon Club. It seems this abusive and elitist culture really seems to manifest everywhere despite national/other cultural divides, which is so interesting.

Cierra Oliveira

ok eliza with the investigative journalism

Hannah

Also it’s SO WEIRD in my opinion when parents are overly invested in their child’s greek life experience or even their college application process. I’m a first generation college student and came across so many parents doing everything for their kids in the application process while I was filling out my FAFSA myself so I can only imagine how intensely those parents try to live vicariously through their kids with greek life

Oli Chau

HERE FROM CORNELL❤️❤️❤️

Raegan Harris

My school has a Vietnam War themed darty every year 🫶🏻 politicians in this frat have literally been taken down by pictures from this party

Veronica L
>>118462142

Same! I’m also a first generation college student. I picked what colleges to visit and set up the tours and everything. I just had to tell them where we’re going to tour and they would bring me

Kamrin Baker

In my city, sororities can't have houses because of a "brothel law" that makes it illegal for more than five adult women to live together 😌😌😌😌😌

Kamrin Baker

Also I was the editor of my college paper and broke the story about one of our frats being suspended after, like, serial rapes, and we got a bunch of hate calls at the newspaper and I literally feared my safety a la Ronan Farrow

Jazz

There was a frat that we were told would spray paint their lion statues out front every time they assaulted a girl and we all just accepted it so casually??

Taylor Maxim

i’m in a sorority in the sec and this episode was spot on. more on the philanthropy though basically it’s just raising money and if you don’t raise the money they just add it to your dues so essentially it’s just the girls in the sorority giving more money so they can say they are helping the community

Carolyn Thompson

listening to this before i go out to the frats this weekend also i go to a big party school

Danielle

I joined a sorority because my school was so massive! I probably wouldn’t join one again. But it did provide a social schedule, guidance for what to do on weekends, and shrunk down the school in a less scary way!

Emily Klingaman

hi binchies - I wanted to highlight that change is possible in sororities! There was a big movement to end Greek life at Stanford but my sisters and I stayed in because we felt we could make change from the inside - our chapter + UC Berkeley + UCSD worked with a lawyer and got Chi Omega national to change our sorority law to say that any person who identifies as a woman can join! We couldn’t get them to move to anyone period could join, but a huge change from from a sorority that’s based in Tennessee! ❤️

Emily Klingaman

The other reason it’s hard to disaffiliate is that sorority’s National (like their org’s national management) provides life insurance and damages insurance. Chi omega insures up to $5 million in damages, loss of life, property, etc. - and they aren’t willing to cover the liability of alcohol. That’s why fraternities can throw parties because they don’t have insurance 😍

jas

we neeeeeeeed the 600 dollar rush consultant content!!!! i’m sure my patreon sub has funded like a quarter of it at this point

Alex G

neeeeeeed a part 2

Virginia Nault

the GW greek life shoutout from Eliza was certainly not glowing but i felt momentarily seen xoxo a disaffiliated girlie

maya

Also on the topic of insane party themes i did fully go to a “fall of communism” themed party at a frat last year and there was a Beerlin Wall made out of beer boxes we all ran through……..

Rosalind Foppe

This is everything I hoped for thank u queenies

Ellie

Omg I just saw someone with a bitches hate nuance black tote at Pitt. You were too far ahead of me to say hi but slay

Jadyn Jeantete

Martin Luther King was an Alpha Phi Alpha & Dolores Huerta was a KDChi!!! Cultural orgs really do be doing philanthropy

Nora bedard

AMAZING episode!!! The Alabama rush documentary was so disappointing considering how rich the subject matter was, u guys did such a great job covering it in a much more entertaining way and with a better critical analysis Love ya xx

Amanda R

my college didnt have greek life but it just came out that the swimming and diving teams were making people binge drink until they threw up and then eat their own vomit!!! ew!!! and after the program got suspended the kids are suing the school??? because they dont think its fair that the program was suspended??? go eagles!

Kendall Castillo

B*tches were shakinggggg in 2017 when Florida State temporarily banned Greek life activities. I was not in Greek life but I remember hearing people in my classes at the time being like “how could they do this” after the school suspended it when Andrew Coffey died. (Im sure many members were understanding) but y’all unlocked the memory of soo many people acting like it was outlandish of the school to suspend it

Kira
>>118486257

i thought this was going to be like christian girl autumn but bring a hammer and sickle themed when i first read it lmfao

Sofia Mattson

Every house mom is giving evil queen mirror mirror on the wall

Averie Jeffus

as a frat gf yes they have hand shakes, it’s so cheesy i love it

Sunbeam

Former ‘top tier’ sorority girl (pledged 2018) from a southern state school can confirm everything shared from the binchie’s story “don’t say my name I can be sued” is true and very similar to my personal experience 😇

Sunbeam
>>118512473

external scoring is 100% true. Was shared later to me that I got into my sorority because I fit their stereotype appearance (I was skinny & blonde at the time)

Sunbeam
>>118470655

yuuup they charged us if we didn’t raise money lol. No matter what they reach their philanthropy goals

Jenelle Velazquez

ugh my title ix investigation is STILL ongoing and i graduated already– the police have already arrested him (but the county prosecutor dropped the charges), why can’t my university speed this up im tired of having to deal with this whole situation it’s disgusting

Hannah Lindsey

I remember girls on their bid days saying they “got to run home”… context I went to a southern college so RUSH was a big deal

Sarah

i’ve been waiting on this episode for yeaarrrss i feel like nobody understands how bad it is on the inside 😭 and it’s bc they’re LITERALLY not allowed to talk about it!!

Sarah

this is immediately going in my top 10 binch eps of all time

yasmine

binchies in the comments - any fav binchtopia episodes abt / related to depression? going through it immensely and this is the only podcast i can listen to

yasmine
>>118515054

i'm so sorry you're still dealing with them even after graduating, that's so disheartening! sending you strength

Poppy Summers

Julia girl ily but even I knew Eliza is part Italian hahah, she mentioned it on the pod before (can’t remember where though pls forgive my lack of sources)

Jacqueline

9-11 tribute dager is also giving my eating club (frat equivalent) proceeding as usual with “medieval wedding” theme night the day after the 2016 election…..also my 21st bday……

Aubrey Rion

Heard a story out of FSU sorority rush that they would make girls sit on newspaper and watch lesbian porn then check if the paper had a wet spot on it… special place in hell waiting for them

mimi

i rushed my freshman year in 2014 (my older sister told me that's how you make friends in college) and i had no idea what i was getting my (then severely anxious) self into... after hours of fake small talk over and over again at every house, i had a full-blown mental breakdown and dropped out, with tears streaming down my face... like i literally had to leave a house in the middle of a convo bc i started crying lolll. i have never felt so alien!!! rush was my personal hell. relieved to have met my soulmate-friends in college soon after that, sans compulsive small talk or payments :')

Cora Ferguson

Adpi and phi mus listening to eliza and julia not reference us as the first sorority’s

mimi

this ep was amazing, eliza i love how hard you went

Daisy!

This was great…..do college democrats next…

Sam

My name is sam and I feel attacked

Siena

i work in an industry that a lot of former sorority girls work in (i was not in a sorority) and from the outside looking in, the connections thing is very real, it was present while in school and i’ve noticed it out of school as well

carly koprevich

I grew up within walking distance of Penn State’s main campus and started fratting with my friends when I was 15. All the frats were supposed to be “closed” over the summer but there were always a few that had parties with all the athletes that arrived to campus early. I realized early on that they sucked, so I was often the DD or mom friend or my group, frequently telling gross drunk men “actually, we’re 16” to try to get them to fuck off. No one ever blinked an eye or seemed to mind at ALL. When I was 17 I went to a sidewalk protest outside of a frat that had just been exposed by a pledge- they had a wall in their basement and even a FACEBOOK PAGE covered in photos they took of naked, unconscious girls. I got spat on and called a cunt by the grown men that walked past our group of 20-30 protesters, holding signs that said things like “1 in 4, don’t ignore” and “i can’t believe we have to protest this shit.” I was just totally uninterested in my peers by the time I actually got to college and had a hard time clicking with other Penn State students, and it was part of the reason I dropped out a year later. The majority of my townie friends that joined PSU sororities ended up DAing after 2-3 semesters because they just didn’t have much in common besides their dating pool, so it wasn’t worth their dues. God I fucking hate greek life

Shania Davis

Super happy you guys also talked about D9! Super different from what white fraternity life is like!

Sarah Newell

it blew my mindwhen julia said "my brother was in a fraternity at michigan"... i always just assumed that benny was like 14

baby.yogurt

I'm very much with Julia on this one--when I see anything about greek life I'm just like, girl it's never that deep......this stuff is all made up anyways. it's never been appealing or made sense to me in any way and it's clearly so harmful so much of the time that I believe honestly it should be abolished. let's stop this nonsense it's just not necessary

lola bolado

u guys r so kind i rlly needed the little talk at the end for college freshmen lmaoo

KM

I am dying to spill all the secrets of k***a a***a th**a

syd

“women love to police themselves and other women” as someone who was not in a sorority but went to a historically women’s college, this resonated with me very strongly

ashley

just want to say that frats and srats do still have secret handshakes and if u do it to a frat bro they’ll be like how tf do u know that.

ev

this is like a boring comment but my sorority was super normal and i had just as many friends not in it as in it, there wasn’t hazing, there were some traditions and commitments that were annoying but everyone thought it was dumb like no one took it seriously, there weren’t rules about what u looked like or social media, i know some houses on campus were a little different but that was my experience. greek life is so different school to school and so insanely different in the south and sometimes i worry people think of southern type stuff when they hear i was in a sorority but i had purple hair the whole time so they probably realize it’s like that but… yeah. (the frats were a different situation sort of but still much more normal than it comes off as idk)

Berkley 🌸

I am a Michigan State alum really much tied to the institution to this day and god... I needed this episode for my own decompression

alyssa castillo

sorority life update: getting sent to standards soon because i called my friend's rapist "a f*cking rapi*t c*nt" (a former member....WHO HAZED ME)

Amanda Glatter

Lil request… eliza i would truly love a lana del rey deep dive

sofia

NOT 1776

Sarah
>>118524187

they did an episode last year called “the weight of it all”! hope things start looking up for you soon 🤍

Sarah

i go to a university in texas and they told us the same thing about what SAE stood for. my friend who went to ucsb said the same thing. never thought about that being their reputation like Everywhere 🤢🤢

Val

Alix Earle putting out a pod episode called My Sorority Nightmare today…your impact…unmatched

iva

Hey Binchies, first of all I loved the episode, especially the commentary around social capital (I’m a bit of a Bourdieu nerd). Anyways, one thing I disagree with is the assertion that fraternities are uniquely American. While it is true that the inclusion of Greek letters is not as common elsewhere. As someone living in Austria, I definitely know of fraternities, that stem from a different tradition. They’re very right wing extremist, organize their own balls inside of castles, still sword fight and recruit directly from private schools. Once you’re a member, you rising through the ranks of right wing politics is all but guaranteed. Recently there was a scandal, where the authorities found out that they still sing nazi songs from these old leather bound books and likely haven’t stopped since 1945. Hope this was interesting!

caroline

My title ix investigation/experience with the school was just as traumatizing as the actual assault, and not just because I was forced to recount the event in excruciating detail constantly for the duration of the investigation (6 months), but because of the way the school bent over backwards to give my r*pist a finding of no fault. And the only reason I even started the investigation was bc I found out he had become an RA and I thought “hm, maybe not the best position for this particular person.” He was never fired. I ended up dropping out just before my last semester because the experience destroyed my mental health and any faith I had in humanity.

Amanda Glatter

Omg Julia and Eliza - idk your experiences with religious youth groups, but as someone who was in NFTY and knowing ppl in BBYO.. there is much to discuss. If yall have experiences with them, it would be cool to hear about both of your experiences with ~the culture~

Tessa Yeo

random comment but my friend left teaching this year to be a house mom & she’s literally getting paid more for it than being a teacher 😵‍💫

Abby

Loved this episode, but this def gave a very one sided/southern centric view of Greek life (which I’m not mad about! Super interesting to learn about). Just wanted to say for the girls who are thinking about rushing that I was in a (Jewish) sorority at a super chill greek life school and it gave me such a wonderful community. So don’t be freaked out by this episode lol

Jocelyn Cockram

cuddling w my roommate while listening we wuv u guys

Alex

SPEAKING OF HAZING we as a society do not talk enough about the fact that John hamm was arrested in college for hazing a guy so bad he broke is spine and nearly lost a kidney! Other tidbits include hamm setting the guy on fire and hooking the back of a hammer on his testicals and dragging him across the room. To this day he does not seem even the slightest bit remorseful and enjoys a mostly favorable reputation as the hot guy who once played don Draper.

Maya Schott Sauerberg

Hi binchies, I just listened to this episode and wanted to give a Danish perspective. I think part of the reason why Greek life isn’t a thing here (aside from universities being public institutions) is that we don’t have the same concept of a campus. People don’t really live on campus and most/a lot of people never live in a dorm. Dorms are also often not affiliated with a specific school. A campus will usually just be a building and then those buildings will be slightly scattered in the city. So there isn’t the same feeling of a distinct society once you step onto campus. It literally just means entering the building where my classes are held.

Emily

As a Canadian this blows my mind

Sarah

Obviously those hazing stories are SO HORRIFIC and scary and disturbing.... yet, a thought that crossed my mind was "natural selection??" Like these people are DYING gruesome deaths, and pushing their bodies and minds to the limits of human capacity, and being traumatized for life by humiliation and criticism and fear, (and PAYING MONEY to do so).... just to be... accepted by a bunch of skinny white girls??? I would rather go my whole life without friends than willingly put myself through any of that. People who do all that are just weak willed to me idk lol. Like if you want friends and belonging so bad just join a club on campus where you don't have to endure abuse just to get in.

Sarah

To anyone at the beginning of their college experience: What Julia was saying at the end is so real. Don't limit yourself to being friends with only one group of people who are all the same and are exclusionary to anyone who does not fit their impossible cookie cutter standards. I cycled through so many different friend groups in college, from philosophy club nerds, to hanging out with all the local music scene people, to my ex boyfriends shitty lame friends, to my roommate turned best friend and all her weirdo theatre friends and foes. It was all part of my complex and fun and unique college experience that shaped who I am today as a person. It's so important to expand your social circles and meet people who are not like you. If you only befriend people who are just like you or just like the people from where you're from, you're missing out on the whole point of college! Expand your mind, try new things, and have fun!

hippienikki

Omg i joined a sor in the mtns of NC and i got so depressed there that i dropped out and they THREATENED me if i didnt pay them even tho I was only in it for like 3 months !! i didnt even get a chance to participate in the secret weird initiation ceremony where we had to wear white! ;p

Maddy

The Umich alumni need to know what fraternity Benny was in

Heather McCaskie

Just finished the episode and I couldn’t quite get into it cos it was never explained what rushing, bidding, or pledging was, among other things. I can kinda assume but wish the lingo was explained for a non American 🧐

Cricket Kaya

Thank you sooooo much for including multicultural Greek life!! I am a member of Theta Nu Xi, a multicultural sorority founded by mixed race women at UNC chapel hill. It's been such a great group of women and other nonbinary people to explore my gender, multicultural identity, and role within social justice after being excluded by the other PWI greeks at my school.

Katherine Desrochers

shoutout to everyone who's been traumatized by your university's Title IX office 💛💛💛 wish I could give you all a forehead kiss. Also....if you have an active case don't post comments about it on this page or anywhere else on the internet because it can be used against you if you choose to go to court and what you posted differs from your testimony

Jayden Ford

Sororities and fraternities still have secret handshakes!! At least the ones in the south do.

Claire Kim

i will never forget when my ex who was in a frat explained to me what the term GEED stood for… It stood for God Damn Individuals/Independents, with a NEGATIVE connotation… as if being an individual was a bad thing 😭 ACTUAL cult and brain-washed mentality fr

Claire Kim
>>119207368

oops, forgot to explain that it’s a term for people who aren’t affiliated with greek life

Chloe Blodgett

Can yall please do an episodes on Greek life money laundering, I want to know about thissss

kootje

we have the same kinds of student organisations as fraternities and sororities in the netherlands and i used to think it was uniquely dutch culture

Elle Stephenson

Came out at the perfect time for rush week at my frat ass school. Bless u

Bee Anderson

i need a frat/sorority money laundering drunk history

izzy

The way that because I’m British my point of reference for this episode was Monster’s University

Lucy Johanneman

anyone know what you’re wrong about episode they mentioned so i dont have to dig for it…