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The girlies revisit a classic early Binchtopia episode to unpack the phenomenon of child-centric content — this time with sources! In Part 1 they discuss the history of child labor in America including the plight of minor miners, the exploitation of Shirley Temple, and why we LOVE watching videos of Trisha Paytas playing with Malibu Barbie. Digressions include Eliza’s experience of buying Buddhism in Hollywood, Catholic mantras that go hard, and listener-submitted momager stories.

SOURCES:

History of child labor in the United States—part 1: little children working

History of child labor in the United States–part 2: the reform movement

There’s No Business Like Show Business: Child Entertainers and the Law

More Than Pocket Money: A History of Child Actor Laws

Little Miss Fix-It: The Remarkable Life of Shirley Temple

Before The Good Ship Lollipop, Shirley Temple Did 'Baby Burlesks'

How cute things hijack our brains and drive behaviour 

Assessing the cuteness of children: Significant factors and gender differences

Gendering Cuteness

Our Aesthetic Categories: Zany, Cute, Interesting 

Comments

Charlotte Worley

omg this was one of my fave eps, so happy you’re revising it!!!

Ashlynn Long

YESSS I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE

blaine

This popping up as I stream Eliza’s music !!!

Evan Tietema

the binchies revisit😙🤝🥳

Sophie

I AM SOOOOO EXCITEDDDDD

josie!

trying to get through the last hour of my job and the binchies post a new ep just in time 🙏

Emma

LETS GOOOO

Savanah Yaghsezian

if y’all wanna take a really deep dive into family influencer culture i also recommend reading momfluenced by sara petersen!! she did a ton of research on the socioeconomic dynamics of momfluencing and has some interesting perspectives

libby

Honey I monetized the kids (Binch’s Version)

Kay

I’m so excited

jaleesa flores

Y’all are too in sync w my work schedule i luvvv; I came in to work today to find out I only have two episodes left to listen to :/ but then 30 minutes later y’all post anotherrrr truly such slayful timing 💅🏽

liz

y’all should look into some godly wife saints bc some of those girlies were badasses

Alyssa Patil-Steffl

Speaking of hellfire 😂 I grew up catholic and recently just talked to my dad about the concept of hell and I was personally shook at his take? He was like “so if heaven is defined as eternity with god, and a person rejects god, wouldn’t you say that spending eternity with what you rejected be, in fact, hellish?” I don’t really consider myself catholic anymore but thought that was a very new / interesting take I hadn’t considered

Sarah Woodward

public libraries are a great free community space too!

katrina!

The basket on a stick at church just sent me back 😂😂

anni

loving the religion chat bc I had to go to church for a university assignment (ethics questionable) and the digital tithe thing made me yell also

anni

i went to a christian revival church and the worship songs were cute but then the pastor starting preaching about serving ur corporate job like ur serving god and you’ll get promoted and it was so ??? to me

Courtney Wilson

Hi ex Catholic here - you cannot have women priests. They can have more “left” leaning churches but the core values are still against abortion, lgbtq marriage and premarital sex.

anni

i know that prosperity gospel is a thing so the sermon probs wasn’t actually that rogue but i was still so surprised to hear the corporate world be linked to serving god so much. i have only ever been in very conventional British Protestant spaces around the holidays due to school before so i think i was just surprised

steverella

eliza. i just quickly need to speak to you about your song. i was honestly touched on a soul-deep level by your lyric “i’m an analyst ball of yarn” and have had it ringing in my head since it came out. picture me: staring out the window, wondering how you captured my essence so astutely. and also wondering … what could she mean by an analyst ball of yarn? and, if i don’t even quite know what you mean, how can I feel these words deeply? i sang the line around my girlfriend, under my breath everywhere and it kept following me around. i even painted the words into something i was working on. i put it down to just a great string of words and similar to how i love ALT-J’s music and simultaneously have no clue what is being said most of the time … i guess it’s understood in some abstract way. i dunno. so i indulged in reading the lyrics while listening the other night. i couldn’t believe it. it’s ENDLESS ball of yarn?????????? it makes so much sense. all my fears were confirmed - you can’t be an analyst ball of yarn. balls of yarn cant analyse anything. and an endless ball of yarn painted such a clear picture. damn. i’m not sure how to feel about this. but i thought you should know. i still feel a connection in my soul to being an analyst ball of yarn. i hope you don’t mind if i keep singing that version. much love, analyst ball of yarn

kirby rodik

pleaseeee don’t stop the kardashians report corner i could never keep up with them up but your updates are so entertaining

Becca Kirkland

I just recently learned that in salt circle the lyrics are “I’m tender as a soft warm palm” when i thought it was “tender eyes, a soft warm palm” I was in such disbelief that it was never tender eyes …… much to think about

Josefina Troncoso

Juliaaaaa I’m screaming “as I walk through the valley of the shadow of death” is from Coolio’s Gangsta’s Paradise 😭😭😭😭😭 EDIT: lol I’m so stupid I didn’t realise this was from an actual psalm!! Believe it or not I’m a lapsed childhood Catholic so this is shameful… I just thought it was a verse that went really hard :( Also Eliza!! There’s a new Twin Flames documentary on Netflix! I listened to the episode you two did on cults recently bc I’m doing a complete relisten 🫡 so I thought I’d mention that

Josefina Troncoso

tiny caveat that you can have them in the Anglican Church tho! Martin Luther kind of slayed by creating Protestantism…

Megan Lubey

Loving Eliza on her Are You There God it's Me Margaret shit

Josefina Troncoso

!!! YES! saints like Catherine of Siena litttterally saw themselves as brides of Christ I think her wedding ring was meant to be made from Christ’s actual foreskin??

Narcisa

I’m very excited for this 2 parter! I think it would be interesting if yall did more series and went more in depth on topics every once in a while!

Jajajadora

I love ur pod but ur recent obsession with talking about the Kardashians rubs me the wrong way considering the current genocide in Palestine. Why are we giving these people more air time.

Erin Healey

the concept of suing an employer and getting back the money that estimates the amount of work they do is kind of how we got workers comp lol

Erin Healey

Except with workers comp it’s explicit that you cannot sue your employer you waive your rights and instead go to the state or insurance company and get workers comp

Erin Healey

Bc back in the olden days ppl were suing their employees all the time bc working conditions were so bad!

Luteal Swan

Fallen Catholic girlies this is our time to shine!!!!! Our first communion pics slay just in time for this tradcath revival.

ainsley

Kim is only slaying in that shoot bc shes working with Nadia Lee Cohen tbh

Ellen

Eliza you may enjoy the Episcopal church, all of the theatre none (or less) of the sexism/homophobia 😇

Allie

Man, you guys would LOVE Anglicanism haha

alex

not this Catholic church with Venmo lmaoooo she’s not like the others. 😂 if you don’t have unwarranted anxiety about handing the basket to your pew neighbor it isn’t a Catholic church

Ellen

omggg i was literally typing a comment about sianne ngai when you mentioned her (my bf is obsessed with her books)

Allie

Churches have a shitty relationship with asking for money because it does indeed feel gross to ask but it’s the only way that the services and assistance that churches can provide receive funding!

Clare Wangard

So Catholic ministers aren’t the same as pastors necessarily. Laypeople can be ministers, but they can’t necessarily be pastors. Also, if you’re interested in some of the leftist Catholicism of it all, I highly, highly recommend checking out Liberation theology (Christian Base Communities, Dom Halder Camara, Gustavo Gutierrez, etc.) it’s super interesting

Juliana Dexter

so so happy when eliza mentioned jean baudrillards simulacra and simulation and i am writing a paper for my media theory class applying his concepts of hyper reality and the panopticon to family vloggers like the shaytards!!

Alyssa Stone

I shared the rock n roll ep w/ my grandpa and he confirmed y’all talk too fast 💀 but he still searched and listened to the second part !

Maddi Felts

cradle catholic here! if you want to change your mindset on Catholicism, check out catholic social teaching! CST is the best part of the faith—it’s anti consumerism, pro worker, environmentalist, etc. A lot of Catholics and priests/nuns are very liberal and churches vary greatly. Happy to talk more

Emily

One of my fave OG eps now with SOURCES??? My little heart can hardly handle

Grace

does anyone remember in the american girl doll books when the little boy was working in the factory and he got his hand stuck on the sewing machine????

Vivian Reba

loved eliza’s mention of slavery evolving into the prison system, so true! would love to hear you two do an ep on the evolution from slave catchers to cops and the ways the US police and military systems are in cahoots with the IDF - feels very timely considering the current genocide in Palestine and the ongoing Cop City protests

izzy

bruh this is exactly why people are obsessed with Hasbullah like he has all the physical traits that trigger our cute aggression plus his fucking voice i cantttt

Issy

Not me screaming with joy when I see this episode has dropped just in time for my break at workkkk

Franki

eliza i soooo recommend giving the unitarian universalist church a chance!! such loving and accepting people, truly i am so thankful that is the church i was raised in

Olivia

Eliza you should try a progressive methodist church!

Skylar Siben

Amazing episode binchies!! If you don’t mind sharing, what was that lgbtq inclusive Catholic Church out in LA called? Can relate to feeling a bit out of touch with humanity in la and would love to see if coming back to Catholicism on my own terms is even slightly a solution

Emily

This is v interesting, do you have any resources to share on this?

Halli Racz

Makes me think about the fact that the idea of a nuclear family robs us of a community/society where everyone thinks of themself as a caretaker of all children and how a lot of us clearly yearn for that.

Cosette

I feel like Eliza should look into the Baha’i faith! I’m not one myself but I find it really fascinating

Kate Sudol

you can’t be a priest if you’re a woman which pissed me tf off as a kid because my church made me do 4/7 sacraments all at once when i was 8. after that i was like “sick what’s next?” get married, be blessed when i’m sick and dying, and become a priest. why would i speed run if i was done after that?!?

Emily

Binches would love to hear your thoughts on TikTok/reels therapists. I keep getting reels from some guy called Therapy Jeff and I feel like this man is just making shit up. Like he loves a listicle and I truely feel he is spit balling. But there seems to be so many ~therapists~ making infographics and little 2 min videos.

Evelyne

Fun fact, school summer vacation was originally created because they wanted to enable the kids to help with working on the farm when it is time to harvest in summer and there is a lot of work to be done

ro 🤸‍♀️

giggled at eliza’s mention of the money basket on the stick because my dad was asked to do it one sunday and i was so excited for him. never thought what it would look like from an outside perspective, but it’s objectively a funny thing

isabel

catholic church tea: the pope says gays can get married and women can be in the church and now all the higher ups are politically fighting him and there's division within the church

Luteal Swan

I got calico critters for my 12th bday in 2007 and I found those little bitches when I went home to visit lol. they’re on my desk at work now and people love to look at them! And it makes me happy that other people visit my desk and get nostalgic :’)

kirby rodik

“we must imagine that mickey mouse is happy” i giggled

Kate Sudol

double trisha mention has me manifesting y’all on just trish

Casey Croft

I actually begged my mom to let me become a child model with those people at kiosks at the mall 😭. Thank god she said no lmao

giulia cilenti

Girls pls speak more on what’s happening in Palestine, I feel uncomfortable supporting u on here if u aren’t being more vocal on this subject, I know it’s not up to you to educate the masses but when u build ur platform on activism and being progressive it feels disingenuous to not be speaking out more

Yossaria McColgan-Bannon

me too. i’m an OG binchie and this is the first time i’ve seriously felt uncomfortable supporting the pod. girlies … how quickly did the ukraine episode get made?? this is a GENOCIDE that the world’s eyes are on. everyone is talking about it. it’s like ur putting more work into avoiding it than just addressing it

giulia cilenti

I know they’ve both stated their support for Palestine, but it’s an ongoing issue and Palestinians have said themselves the best way to show support is constantly speaking out. Ur right, their silence feels deliberate on the main binchtopia feed, especially when it’s so easy to share posts on stories

Jude MDA

Yes, the silence has become deliberate and deafening at this point

Honor Dearlove

Eliza I highly recommend you take a jaunt over to your local Quaker meeting house I think you would enjoy the vibes

Karissa

love to hear a Sianne Ngai reference😌 great ep binchies!

Maddy short

My favorite Bible verse that goes hard af is Psalms 23 (that’s yea tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil” read the whole thing!! it’s often read at funerals (& you gotta read it in the kings James version) Or James 5:2-3 “Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.”

Annika Lawson

omg slay!!! the Unitarian Universalist mention!!

mimi

me too - i remember my church regularly hosted visiting spiritual leaders like these tibetan monks, and we had lesbian weddings, and did a bunch of ~woowoo~ stuff like energy readings.... looking back on it, it was so cool. i feel really grateful for it.

Mandy Fuller

Eliza I’m begging you to go to a Quaker meeting and report back to us. I was raised Quaker and would love to hear your thoughts.

Fart brigade

Does anyone remember one of their old episodes where they talk about prevention instead of incarceration? I can’t remember if it was a bonus episode or a regular monthly

Isabel Alves de Lima

To Julia, if you don’t know where to start dismantling the pro-Israel Jewish education I’m sure you’ve been surrounded by, Ashley from CMBC has been talking extensively about her experience and I’m sure would talk to you about it offline

maddie haines

the one on involuntary commitment commitment it's on the main feed it's called committing to the bit

Delaney MT

eliza is reckoning with the injustice of capitalistic and isolationist urban planning in southern california

izzy

PLEASE listen to the newest normal gossip ep, it’s a story about an au pair to children with a momager who runs a yoga class… TOO well timed

E

Child labor laws also conveniently tend to exclude agriculture if it's your parents putting you to work, I know my dad was ploughing the fuck out of those fields back in the day

bella

111

Nadia Lem

For y’all commenting about palestine: expecting someone you don’t know to echo your already formed opinions back to you about a nuanced and personal issue is a new level of parasocial delusion. Instead of spending your time fuming and waiting for people who are not qualified to give this subject the sensitivity and research it deserves to contribute to an already over saturated echo chamber of internet opinions, maybe just spend your own time doing the work to listen to people directly affected. If you want to stop listening to the podcast, just stop listening. There are plenty of other places on the internet that will be receptive to your inflammatory takes and reinforce the social bubble you feel comfortable in. Especially if you are white, maybe take a second and investigate exactly where your vitriol and anger is coming from. I get that this is a confusing time for all of us, and we all feel super helpless and filled with a sense of injustice that we are largely powerless to resolve, but take a second and investigate why you are all of the sudden so socially galvanized and where all of that guilt is coming from. Also ask yourself why you feel so morally obligated to demand a public response from a Jewish person…. We all have to process this tragedy in horror in different ways. For a lot of people this is deeply sensitive and personal.

Adissen

When do bonus eps come out?

sarah werner

my pet theory is that eliza talks faster now bc she’s been brushing up her godly wives reading speed

sarah werner

also i’m dying for y’all to do an episode on sec football culture

Adissen

Yes omg you put that so well! I think that we should spend less time trying to get people we follow continuously talk about their opinion on Palestine and rather lift up Palestinian voices

Steph ?

Being silent in the face of genocide is being complicit. It takes little to no effort to publicly condemn that. At that point you’re either a Zionist or a coward, plain and simple.

Nadia Lem

With all respect, I gotta disagree. Everyone processes grief in a different way. Y’all are demanding a level of performitivity from those you support that is completely disconnected from real action. Anyone who says silence is compliance and demands a public statement from influencers or podcasters is ignoring the fundamental truth that ones social media persona is not equivalent to ones actions or views within their personal lives. This is where the parasocial delusion sets in. Persistent echoing back of the same regurgitated internet phrases and infographics does ultimately nothing but signal to other disconnected internet people that they are “one and the same.” Once again, the issue here is not an issue of allegiance to or against a state, but an issue of the public performance of activism that has, once again, virtually no ethical or moral impact other than crowding an already dense social media landscape with uneducated opinion and staving off rabid cancelation threats.

LauraWagner

Eliza, I think you should move to Atlanta.

Luteal Swan

I know ppl think they’re doing a good thing by posting about it all over social media, and it feels good and accomplishing to feel like you’re making a difference. It’s been said many times, but this situation is nothing new. Israel and Palestine have had conflict since before anyone in this comment section was born. That does NOT MAKE IT OKAY, however condemning people for not saying what you feel is “right” is just virtue signaling…I literally don’t have Instagram, and in my day to day life the situation just isn’t brought up…so does that make me a Zionist? I would hope not!! No one should be dying. War should never happen. It’s very polarized and divisive thinking to condemn people for the way they choose go about world events, especially expecting people who are not geopolitical experts to comment on things… thats how misinformation gets spread. I love the binchies, but they have said incorrect things before. Also just any random internet person like why should I trust info they most likely got from infographics? If you feel this podcast is not of ethical consumption you can cancel your patreon. At the end of the day this isn’t a news source, it’s entertainment, so ppl should treat it as such

Nadia Lem

Literally so true- well said. As another instagram-less person I feel this deeply. Also anyone saying it "takes little to no effort" to comment something respectful, comprehensive, and nuanced on a complex and deeply personal situation in front of an audience of tens to hundreds of thousands is not paying attention. Happy to see other people bringing this up in the comments to disrupt a largely homogenous discourse <3

ez

the privilege you have to think that this is not something people with platforms should be speaking on is really worth reflecting about. palestinians are literally begging to be heard because no one in power will raise their voice for them. and, the fact that this is a POLITICAL podcast is also worth noting. of course their silence and complacency would not sit well with me if they can only speak on issues affecting white americans.

ez

precisely. it feels like people are so invested in their enjoyment of the pod that they feel like any criticism of julia’s silence is not okay. all of us here are clearly dedicated binchies and it’s totally natural to expect more from them with how they’re treating this issue.

ez

what’s the alliance? genuine question, i just haven’t seen any statements from them other than the really milquetoast three minute one they gave which was certainly not adequate to discuss a literal genocide

Jajajadora

Adequate or not, Kim and Kylie have publicly voiced their support for Isreal via instagram a few times at the start of the month when things were kicking off. I also saw a couple letters from artists for Israel floating around that I believe Kim signed. They have been quiet the last weeks facing backlash but we didn't forget.

Luteal Swan

The privilege you have to spend the energy being angry over podcast hosts/ other internet people with followers not commenting on something they may not feel comfortable/ are not qualified to talk about, is something you, and manyyyy people I’ve seen in the comments section, should think about. Y’all have the money to pay for the Patreon. Why not donate it instead? Also where do they say it’s a political Podcast? It’s commentary on world events, they did comment on the war. What else do people want them to say

giulia cilenti

Neither of them have been silent on this tbf, both have stated their support for Palestine. It’s more that Palestinians have asked for us to share and keep the conversation going. I’ve just read today that Palestinians no longer have access to internet as their energy supplies have depleted, so it feels more important now to keep sharing information, and as they have such a big platform it’s disappointing that they haven’t used binchtopia to help do this.

Sam Haimowitz

when they said that this is gonna be a two-part episode 👁️👄👁️💅🏼

Sam Haimowitz

“Triangle Shirtwaist type beat” STOPPPPP LMFAO

Nadia Lem

First of all, the platform in question is only reaching an audience of people already intensely inundated with news articles and updates via the internet and social media, not the general masses largely uninformed about this subject matter. Second of all, maybe you should question why you feel the need to be receiving your news from social media entertainers…

Isø

Thank you for saying this, finding it so frustrating that people take this moment to shame likeminded people for not responding exactly how they would, just because they ‘have a platform.’ It literally is not that ‘plain and simple’ to make a difference in this situation, though I wish it was. They aren’t silent or ignoring anything, they did address it, I’m sorry if that wasn’t good enough for some of you. These are not politicians or educators, they do not have any power to change the situation, focus your anger, shaming and demands at them. The binchtopia audience are already very aware and capable of understanding. This is the ‘platform’ you speak of. I do not come here to be educated, I have better sources for that and so should everyone else. It’s giving internet induced brain rotted born yesterday vibes to be so easily influenced, to take a moment like this to start infighting and making hollow demands of comedy podcast hosts, as if that would make any fucking difference. This is not helpful or important right now, it’s just spreading further confusion, division and misery. I’m sure there are many passionate TikTok’s and tweets encouraging you to shame and ostracise anyone who doesn’t react in a very specific way to global tragedy, but try thinking critically and empathetically for once. Like everyone, I feel devastated about this situation. We know Eliza and Julia do too because they literally did address it. Binchtopia dedicating an entire episode on this based off of pressure and rushed research, repeating everything we already know, would truly change nothing. It would likely just cause more unnecessary infighting from people with misdirected rage. I know people want to feel like they’re doing something, but this is not the time for bullying and shaming entertainers. It’s misguided, delusional and unhelpful. It is not that simple.

Stina Olsson

Interesting and well worded perspectives. I’ve been noticing that Ukraine gets brought up a lot. Like ”why are you not doing an episode on Palestine when you did one on Ukraine, is it bc y’all are racist??”. It could literally just have to do with the fact that Gav has a lot of knowledge about eastern Europe (cause that’s where Julias ancestors are from right?) and therefore they took that opportunity when things were going down. They knew that Gav is well read on the subject and so they brought him in. I don’t think Julia and Eliza had any idea at the time that that episode would be interpreted as them wanting to take on geopolitical issues in general, and later be used as an example of why they should also talk about Palestine. Two completely different conflicts. One part of me understands the expectation of concistency, people want them to be politically concistent with the leftist message they usually send out. But another part of me thinks it’s completely bonkers to expect other humans to be completely concistent. It feels very ”online” in the way that people kind of seem to think of each other as brands and are unable to handle the fact that in reality there is no one brand of leftism and leftist people that a person can just follow and emulate and then be sure of themselves (”I’m not a bad person, were the good ones”). If you want to build a broad and sustainable leftist movement, then I think you need to come to terms with the fact that there are going to be individuals operating within that movement and you are never going to reach 100% concistency and likemindedness within. Now, Julia and Eliza HAVE actually been ideologically consistent on this one and HAVE condemned Israels actions. If you really want to make a difference in something, usually, you are actually going to have to commit your whole life to that one cause (not just leftism in general, but something specific). That is what I believe. And that is why online activism can actually (in my opinion) be misleading, because it entertains the idea that we all can and should create change everywhere all at once. Which is not (in my opinion) how sustainable activism is built. Now, Binchtopia is a podcast that has kind of been built (at least in a lot of listeners eyes) on that false premise (that one can talk about and create change everywhere all at once). And I think what is happening right now is that there is like a small crisis happening within the Binchtopia community because that false premise is starting to create problems and people have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that this was never a realistic goal to set. It is noble to try your best, and the money that has been sent to different organisations have of course not been fruitless. But I do think that if you want Julia and Eliza to keep talking about a lot of different topics on the left rather than commiting to one specific cause, you are going to have to accept that it is going to be a lot less than perfect, because as I said: this is an unrealistic and questionable form of online activism. It has always been. This is what you’ve bought in to all along. Maybe you should think about that. We have been seeing this problem on the left for years now. There are a lot of thinkers out there talking about how this brand of online activism has actually hurt the leftist movement. For example Fucking Cancelled are continuously giving examples of this.

Jo

If you queens choose to revisit “this murder was sponsered by hello fresh” please please read savage appetites by rachel monroe!!!! Its such a cool exploration of women’s fascination with true crime

Nora

eliza you should go to a quaker meeting i went to one it was cool

Julia

Is it the one who made a really good video against Better Help back in the day? But yeah he seems gimmicky

Thalia C

Eliza you should check out liberation theology if you’re interested in a more leftist Catholicism! Also check out a Quaker meeting and the Episcopalian church, they’re like a more liberal Catholicism from my understanding

natalie

does anyone remember the samantha american girl movie where nellie worked in the factory? 💀

Amaya Brooks

i only just got around to listening to this episode bc i’ve been drowning in uni work but the convo abt catholicism actually directly relates to what i’ve been writing all my essays abt which is liberation theology. its basically like the catholic church being cool for once and is super important in the history of 20th century latin american resistance movements. i’ve written like literally upwards of 5,000 words abt it in the last two weeks and is just overall a very good reflection of what religion can (and in my opinion should) be

Allison M Bagley

Guys stop talking down on your old episodes!!! That’s what made me fall in love with the pod been listening to u guys since then!!! You are queens and ur eps now and then slay!

The Immaculate Witch Kaitlin Reckord

Eliza!! I have been reading The Way of the Rose, by Clark Strand and Perdita Finn. And OH WOW. The Goddess is changing my like once again, but this time through the Holy Mother Mary! ❤️‍🔥

Madison

no because calling catholic hymns an ‘adrienne lenker type beat’ is sooooo true the first time i heard her music i was reminded of the catholic choirs of my childhood