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'My mind now turns to stories of bodies changed into new forms. O Gods, inspire my beginnings (for you changed them too) and spin a poem that extends from the world's first origins down to my own time.'

Today we are immersing ourselves in one of the most marvellous compendiums of classical mythology ever committed to the page. We are meeting some of the most iconic gods and heroes, meditating upon complex themes of the human condition, and appreciating the ancient epic poetry of Ovid's Metamorphoses.

We're discussing cycles of history, epic conventions, order vs chaos, great world-building, marvellous metafiction, bacchanalian scorn, the social context of Ancient Rome, genre blending, tragedy vs comedy, the dangers of pride, and much more.

Please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read up to these books yet or dip in as best suits your personal reading journey.

Timestamps:

0:00 entering the Age of Gods together

2:00 ‘bodies changed into new forms’

3:00 opening invocation to the Muse

5:00 Homer & Virgil’s epic beginnings

7:00 first audience already knew the story

9:00 can these classic works be spoiled?

10:00 writing the poem is part of the story

12:00 Dante & Milton’s epic invocations

14:00 who & what great epics are about

16:00 order vs chaos in the beginning

17:00 Ovid’s opening vs Book of Genesis

19:00 differences between Ovid & Bible

20:00 similarities across origin stories

22:00 Ovid details the creation of man

24:00 sources, imitatio & ancient fan fiction

25:00 is there an objective mythic canon?

26:00 why the academic scorn for Ovid?

27:00 familiarity & companionability

29:00 who is Ovid’s first creator God?

31:00 origin story of Kronos & Zeus

33:00 the delight in watching these gods

34:00 destruction inherent in creation

35:00 analysing Ovid’s four ages of man

37:00 Ancient Rome under Augustus

39:00 pressured to praise the Emperor

40:00 Latin Golden Age vs Silver Age

42:00 humans that are sons of blood

44:00 do not test the divinity of the gods

45:00 the story of Jupiter vs Lycaon

48:00 the story of Apollo & Daphne

52:00 Arcadia is a Hobbesian locale

54:00 the story of Jupiter & Io

57:00 the communicative power of art

59:00 love is self-serving in Ovid’s world

1:00:00 the story of Phaëthon & Phoebus

1:02:00 a warning on the danger of pride

1:03:00 the complexity of the sun god

1:05:00 crashing the sun’s fiery chariot

1:08:00 on Shakespeare’s Ovidianism

1:10:00 the story of Jupiter & Callisto

1:12:00 the story of Jupiter & Europa

1:14:00 appreciating the mythic tapestry

1:16:00 Cadmus’ founding of Thebes

1:17:00 slaying an almighty dragon

1:19:00 warriors born from dragon teeth

1:20:00 you’re not a hero until death

1:21:00 the story of Acteon & Diana

1:23:00 Ovid’s sublime horror writing

1:24:00 divergence in the tales told

1:25:00 the story of Jupiter & Semele

1:27:00 the story of the prophet Tiresias

1:29:00 the story of Narcissus & Echo

1:30:00 recognition of yourself in another

1:32:00 anxiety about wild worship rituals

1:34:00 Pentheus vs the god Bacchus

1:36:00 stories of the daughters of Minyas

1:37:00 the story of Pyramus & Thisbe

1:38:00 Mars & Venus, Clytie & Phoebus

1:39:00 the ancients’ belief in these gods

1:40:00 the story of Hermaphroditus

1:41:00 the story of Juno vs Ino

1:43:00 the terrors of Fury Tisiphone

1:44:00 the story of Cadmus & Hermione

1:47:00 the story of Perseus & Andromeda

1:50:00 battle at the Palace of Cepheus

1:52:00 story of Minerva and the Muses

1:54:00 the story of Proserpina & Pluto

1:57:00 your thoughts on Ovid so far?

Resources to Explore:

  • Music Appreciation: As we move through the Metamorphoses, treat yourself to some of the many great pieces of music inspired by this masterpiece. Think about the degree to which music captures the epic substance and the heart of these stories. Here is a small curation of wonderful works inspired by the stories of the first five books: Benjamin Britten's Six Metamorphoses After Ovid, Handel's Apollo e Dafne, excerpt from Jean-Baptiste Lully's Cadmus et Hermione, Ethelbert Nevin's Narcissus from Water Scenes. Do let us know if you encounter any more pieces that you fall in love with along the way.

  • Art Appreciation: A great way to remember the gods and heroes described in mythology is to pull up artwork depicting their stories. So let's take a look at some of the artwork mentioned in the lecture. You can see an amazing video appreciating Goya's 'Saturn Devouring His Son' here. When it comes to Ovid's Metamorphoses, Titian is one of the artists who has most powerfully committed these myths to canvas. He selected six stories for his 'Poesie', which was commissioned for King Philip II. For works inspired by the first five books, appreciate his paintings for stories like that of Diana and Acteon, Europa, Perseus and Andromeda, and Diana and Callisto. The National Gallery also has a wonderful talk on Titian here. For another great story rendered in art, compare Carravagio's Narcissus with John William Waterhouse's Narcissus and Echo. There's also a really superb video analysis of Caravaggio's work here.

  • Shakespeare: Lovers of Shakespeare will surely appreciate identifying the Ovidian influence upon the bard. If you would like to read more deeply about this, then the excellent Jonathan Bate's Shakespeare and Ovid is well worth checking out. Sarah Annes Brown also has a wonderful book that studies the parallels between not only Ovid and Shakespeare, but the Roman poet's influence upon writers like Chaucer and Spenser too. In the next few days, we will have a special lecture on The Winter's Tale as part of our read-through of the complete works of Shakespeare. Even if you aren't following this project in-depth, you may want to enjoy this masterpiece as a standalone, or as an entrance into the bard, as it provides some powerful examples of Shakespeare's Ovidianism.

  • Exercise: As you read through Ovid's Metamorphoses, make a note of the stories that captivate or resonate with you the most. We want to discover our top ten personal favourites, so we can compare them at the end. A good way of doing this is to make a longlist on your first read-through. Use that list to reflect on those stories or use them to guide a selective rereading. Then whittle the list down and, if possible, give them an order. Be on the lookout for any commonalities in your favourite stories. Are there any recurring themes, ideas, or images that appear time and again for you? And, if so, why you think that is? What do your favourite stories say about you?

Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion will cover books six to ten, which will take us through the Age of Heroes. So continue journeying through this marvellous work, meeting those iconic figures, and noting down any themes, scenes, or ideas that resonate with you.

Questions for You:

1) Which mythic stories are your favourites so far?

2) Does it feel right to call the Metamorphoses an epic?

3) Does Ovid ever take the tales of gods seriously? And do you enjoy a comic approach to mythology?

4) Can you see the influence of Ovid in any of your favourite writers?

If this is your first reading of Ovid's Metamorphoses, I would love to know how the work is meeting your expectations. If this is a reread for you, what is it like returning to this sprawling saga? And please do share with us your favourite passages, characters, and ideas from the story so far.

Happy reading, everybody!

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Elizabeth

Rereading Athamas and Ino in Book 4 brought to mind the scene in early Game of Thrones between Tyrion and Varys when Tyrion asks, "Why are all the gods such vicious c*nts?"

Karen Nielsen

One of the first books I remember reading was The Age of Fable, Greek myths. I was instantly and permanently fascinated with the stories and their worldview. I’ve read them in other books but for some reason never Metamorphoses, so I’m really enjoying it. I’m reading the Melville translation which I find very beautiful, along with the Lombardo translation which at first seemed lacking in poetry but which grew on me. Then I discovered the Ted Hughes translation, which is just incredibly powerful. I wish he’d done the entire book because his version is spectacular! Hard to choose my faves, but definitely the creation myth would be one. I also love Narcissus, and Arachne.

Helen Lyons

Thanks Ben for the great lecture. I am reading the David Raeburn translation as the Lombardo was not readily available. This is my first reading of Ovid and I am enjoying the stories. Love the story about the Raven and the Crow in Book 2. Also enjoyed Phaethon. Enjoyed the music links as well.

Natalya

I am catching up with you all on Ovid’s Metamorphoses. It is my first reading and I am blown out of my shoes! I was petrified to open this text and now I rush back home to it as if this text were my first love. I exaggerate but I literally sent a friend home politely as I could not wait to get back to Ovid. I DO read a lot of it aloud until the vocal cords rebel. The Metamorphoses’ opening passage is a vivid picture of Big Bang! The story of Phaethon resonates with me a lot. I love these tiny sprinkles of observations ( Are they authorial intrusions?) Ovid scatters throughout the text. For example, Phaethon sees that the whole world in on fire, he cannot bear the heat, he doesn’t know where he is and where he is going, …… They think it was then that Ethiopians, As the heat drew the blood up close to the skin, Became dark-complexioned. … I also appreciate how Ovid weaves his text: he takes one thread, one specific metamorphosis (ex. a transformation into a tree), and pulls it through the body of one Book easily applying it again in another mythic story with differing context and meaning in the following book. First, a reader learns about Daphne who turns into a laurel tree fleeing Apollo and later in the following Book Phaethon’s sisters weeping with grief turn into poplar trees.

mark sanford gross

Oh my!!! Ovid has me hypnotized or obsessed, BUT then Ben's related notes take me/us to so many discoveries. Like this. I went to the opera Ofreo and Euridice. And then more on Gluck. And then I rabbit holed the best arias in the opera. Che Faro Senza! And then the best vocalists for that aria. Janet Baker and Phillipe Jarrousky. Phillipe?? I went to YouTube. Found Phillipe performing the aria along with 1.5m other people who viewed it!. I'm on my third viewing. THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY! His performance in this song from this tale from Ovid enhances so much more to the themes and the stories. The performance could be in Ovid's courtyard while he is reading and writing. I'm left speechless and immersed in all the collections from Ovid's writing right now and the themes and the voices. But this find!!!!! If you haven't seen this, get ready to be drawn into the world of Ovid through Gluck through Jarrousky. https://youtu.be/Z8dIevs0VlU?si=KCi0jWKL16bS7yIw And to be hypnotized.

Josie Swallow

I’m reading Shakespeare’s The Rape of Lucrece alongside Ovid and finding it a very good companion piece. Some of Shakespeare’s thoughts perfectly mirror the assault scenes of Ovid and you can clearly see the influence. For example: “His ear her prayers admits, but his heart granteth No penetrable entrance to her plaining: Tears harden lust, though marble wear with raining. Her pity-pleading eyes are sadly fixed In the remorseless wrinkles of his face” And, “He is no woodsman that doth bend his bow To strike a poor unseasonable doe.”

Sarah Mekes

I'm joining the conversation at the 11th (perhaps 12th) hour, really, but I wanted to throw some words out into the void anyway! I am reading from the David Raeburn translation as that's all I could seem to get in my area, but after hearing some of the lines from the Golding translation in this lecture, how I wish I had it instead! Raeburn's translation feels a bit dry and choppy in comparison, but it is fairly easy to read, and I do enjoy his choices in some of the more pastoral scenes. I am drawing so many parallels between this text and 100 Years of Solitude, a comparison I may never have thought to make without this lecture series. Both texts really seem to grapple with some similar themes: the fallibility of authority figures (human or otherwise,) taking religion off a pedestal, predetermined outcomes vs the power of free will, inherited trauma... I could go on but that's where I'll land for the moment. This really feels like some proto-magical realism. While I feel the ending to 100 Years was ambiguous in its argument on its themes, mostly pessimistic I feel, I will be curious to see where the Metamorphoses ultimately stands. This is a strange experience of the "epic" tradition in its seemingly disjointed narratives. All are ultimately connected through characters and lineages, though, so I would argue that that interconnectedness, along with the story's balance of heroic stories, depictions of the muses, and omniscient narrator (among other characteristics,) do cause it to fall under the "epic" category-- a satirical one though, I'd say, given the amount of dark comedy. Really loved seeing Caravaggio's Narcissus... Looking forward to what's next!

Gholson Lyon

Mandelbaum translation so much better than McCarter, whereas Golding is sublime. I like Melville too. Never tried Raeburn.