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'Emma tried to imagine just what was meant, in life, by the words 'bliss,' 'passion,' and 'rapture' - words that had seemed so beautiful to her in books.'

Today we are continuing to immerse ourselves in one of the most influential works of realism in all of literary history: Gustave Flaubert's Madame Bovary.

We are meditating upon romance vs realism, idealistic illusions, expectations vs reality, yearning, metaphor, free indirect discourse, love, art for art's sake, and some of the most profound themes of the human condition.

Please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read up to these chapters yet, or dip in as best suits your personal reading journey, as I continue to stay away from spoilers for things later in the narrative.

Timestamps:

0:00 welcome to 19th century France

2:00 is this novel really about nothing?

6:00 moral art vs art for art’s sake

9:00 the beginning of Madame Bovary

11:00 provincial manners & the novel

14:00 shifting to omniscient narration

18:00 comparing Flaubert & Fielding

20:00 narrator invisible in the universe

22:00 beginning with Charles Bovary

26:00 Charles becomes a health officer

28:00 first & second Madame Bovary 

30:00 when Charles and Emma meet

34:00 self-awareness in characters

38:00 death of Charles’ first wife

41:00 Flaubert’s Shakespearean subtext

43:00 the wedding of Charles & Emma

46:00 on events vs daily processes

48:00 Emma’s honeymoon days

50:00 ‘the other bride’s bouquet’ 

51:00 superb Flaubertian juxtaposition

53:00 le mot juste/the perfect word

56:00 the words bliss, passion & rapture

58:00 finally reaching Emma’s POV

1:00:00 Emma’s life in the convent

1:01:00 on Emma’s love of metaphors

1:02:00 the novels of Sir Walter Scott

1:04:00 from flashback to present day

1:06:00 Emma views of love & happiness

1:08:00 19th century vogue of melancholia

1:10:00 why we are all Emma Bovary

1:11:00 the fiction of ‘reality’ today

1:13:00 Emma on how men should be

1:15:00 how we feel what we focus on

1:16:00 an argument in favour of Emma

1:18:00 Emma’s external locus of control

1:20:00 deep emotions vs exciting sensations

1:21:00 Emma Bovary vs Don Quixote

1:23:00 the ball at the marquis’ chateau

1:25:00 Emma’s struggle with being present

1:27:00 on yearning and unfulfillment

1:28:00 danger of expectations vs reality 

1:30:00 Balzac’s influence on Flaubert

1:32:00 romantic notions of the city of Paris

1:35:00 she wanted to die & live in Paris

1:36:00 sympathising with Emma Bovary

1:38:00 Emma becomes ill & depressed

1:39:00 cliffhanger at the end of part one

1:41:00 next lecture reading assignments

1:44:00 what are you making of the novel?

Resources to Explore:

  • Letters: If you have picked up a copy of The Letters of Gustave Flaubert translated by Francis Steegmuller, I recommend reading the slim chapter entitled 'Louis Colet II: Madame Bovary (1851-1855)'. This selection of correspondence brings the composition of the novel we're enjoying to life. Here we get an intimate knowledge of Flaubert's inmost thoughts about the development of his craft, the value of work, men and women, and his hopes, dreams, and aspirations. If you'd like to hear a beautiful narration of Flaubert's love letters to Louise Colet, then you can enjoy David Niven's reading here.

  • Literary Appreciation: One of my favourite things to do when working through a big read is to identify and source the books that the characters themselves are reading. We're told that Emma, who is the archetypical reader, adores Paul and Virginia by Jacques-Henri Bernardin de Saint-Pierre. She also devours novels from the likes of Sir Walter Scott, Eugène Sue, George Sand, and Balzac. For good places to start with Balzac, I'd recommend Le Père Goriot, Cousin Bette, or Lost Illusions. Or, rather than add another book, you could enjoy out this film adaptation of Lost Illusions to get a cinematic feel for Balzac.

  • Books on Trial: Flaubert's Madame Bovary became notorious thanks to its author being brought on trial for obscenity. Time and again, across the course of literary history, we see that controversy clearly sells. If you're interested in a case study of another iconic work that was charged with obscenity, then you might like this video on James Joyce's Ulysses: Should a Book Ever Be Banned, Censored, or Burned? And, if you want to continue defying the censors of history, treat yourself to a copy of another iconic work whose author was put on trial by the same prosecutor as Flaubert: Charles Baudelaire's The Flowers of Evil. If you want to go straight to the banned poems, they are: The Jewels, Lethe, Lesbos, To One Who Is Too Cheerful, The Metamorphoses of the Vampire, and Condemned Women: Delphine and Hippolyta.

  • Theatre Appreciation: Reading through Flaubert's letters, it swiftly becomes clear the this pioneer of realism was a real bardolator. I find him all the more relatable because his love for Shakespeare is so strong: 'Shakespeare was not a man, he was a continent.' The week after next, we'll have a lecture on Henry VIII coming out. Whilst not the best play in the bard's oeuvre, the history is fascinating and this is an important one for those following the Shakespeare Project as this is Will's penultimate play. There's also some serendipity in reading this around the same time as Madame Bovary given how the play exploration of social and women's issues. If you're new to Shakespeare, I recommend enjoying Hamlet. This is a great entrance to the bard and I believe is also Flaubert's personal favourite (Antony and Cleopatra would be a fine choice too). See if you can isolate the Shakespearean substance in Madame Bovary. Another complementary theatre option would be enjoying Henrik Ibsen's Hedda Gabler and asking how Ibsen's realism and social concerns compare with that of Flaubert.

  • Music Appreciation: For readers who love listening to music whilst reading, someone has put together a wonderful playlist that tries to capture the feeling of being Emma Bovary playing the piano whilst it's raining. And here we have an album that imagines the music that Emma would have listened to: Les musiques de Madame Bovary.

Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion, which will be this weekend coming, will cover the events of part two of the novel, which is comprised of fifteen chapters.

We are now heading to Yonville with Emma and Charles and the plot will thicken. So continue appreciating Flaubert's realism and his prose stylistics, and noting down any themes, scenes, or ideas that resonate with you.

Questions for You:

1) Do you sympathise with Emma Bovary?

2) Do you prefer your stories to be primarily romance or realism?

3) 'There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.' (Oscar Wilde). What do you think about this?

4) ‘What I should like to write is a book about nothing. The finest works are those that contain the least matter. I believe the future of Art lies in this direction.' (Flaubert). Do you agree?

If this is your first reading of Flaubert's Madame Bovary, I would love to know how the novel is meeting your expectations. Where do you think the story is going? If this is a reread for you, what is it like returning to this work? And please do share with us your favourite passages, character insights, and ideas from the story so far.

Happy reading, everybody!

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Whitney

This is my first time reading Madame Bovary. I find Emma to be quite a terrible and selfish person, however I do sympathize with her feelings of being trapped in a life of monotony and boredom. I certainly remember having those feelings myself as a teenager (and, in fact, was recently talking about these feelings with one of my teen daughters). I also sympathize with Charles, as he is treated so poorly by her, but is too oblivious to even know that. They seem to both be victims of their time. She ends up just being a pretty face and source of entertainment for her husband, while he is simply her means to a monetary end. Poor Bovarys!

Alexis VonTrapp

I agree with some of the other comments on here that I sympathize with Emma's sense of being trapped and desire for a different life. I mean who does not desire an escape from the mundane? What I struggle with her is I think she's selfish or does not seem to love Charles in the way he loves her. I don't think he is a terrible person but seems aloof from her dissatisfaction and so I wonder if he knows and ignores it? Or he genuinely does not see her true feelings? I also wonder what she saw in him and why she wanted to marry him. We didn't seem to get her perspective on that mostly Charles. I am commenting late as I am behind in reading. I do visualize the textures and objects of their world well- with the details and description. I am some one who tends to try to romanticize the mundane as I am some one who also feels trapped at times especially working in the USA at the moment. I don't find Emma likable but the book does keep me curious as I read. I do think I should like to try to read it in french as I can tell it is translated and sometimes that jolts me from my reading. With Wilde's "moral" idea I think he was arguing against the Victorian idea that for children books should be of moral instruction. I wonder if he means the book physically has no morality and it is up for the personal interpretation of it. I would read Dorian Gray as a moral novel which this quote is from. I would also read it in the sense that - with the invention of the camera artists were starting to question what makes art, art? I am an art historian I mostly deal with photography and its history- So, you have like Duchamp reacting to the camera perhaps unconsciously saying it is art because I say so with the Dada movement- (which means nothing)- they use manifestos to explain how it is meaningless and yet somehow we find or make meaning with our words. This fear of being replaced by the camera by painters or the plastic arts also seems to me to bleed in to literature where they turn to description- intense detailed description right? Just interesting to think about not sure I have a reason or answer as to why.

Cynthia Sneath

I’m curious about the mention of the servants breaking windows at the home of the marquis and marquise during the ball. Was this a normal thing to do at the time? A poor translation? Or a metaphor? It stuck out to me as an odd thing to do. But other than that, I’m extremely sympathetic to Emma. I was Emma as teenager and made so many of the same mistakes. And this is my favourite book with the Book Club so far. It is hard to force myself to slow down and savor each word because I’m so driven to find out what happens next! Undoubtedly, I will have to reread this book in the future.

Sean

1) Do you sympathise with Emma Bovary? I am coming back to this question now being 80% done the book. I think my answer is different depending on what part of the book I am in and will be curious if it is different after the final 20%. While a “cheat”, my answer is very much yes and no. I do in the sense that her social and environmental situation gave her limited choices. I also sympathize with the notion of make very bad long term decisions in pursuit of short term pleasure, romanticism, or other reasons. I’ve done that my self. I also recognize Charles is not the most perceptive or effort driven husband and there could have been times if he tried to make the relationship work, the story would be different. The clery scene also made me feel for her. Early on, she did try to get some spiritual help and got nothing back. All that being said, some of the situations involving her mothering approach, her selfish desires, and her inability to really dig deep into what is driving her desires is really off putting. She does seem more of a round human to be than a grotesque stereotype but I think on balance I find her a disappointing human being. Even with everything against her, she could have done better. 2) Do you prefer your stories to be primarily romance or realism? I much prefer this novel to 100 years of solitude (though I liked that too, just less so) and yet I loved something like the Count of Monte Cristo a ton so I think it depends. Overall, I probably lean realism but it depends the type of realism … I’ve liked some romances more than magical realism. It’s also mood based. Reading introspective psychological realism over and over again well that can be a drag even if still rewarding! Mixing in some swashbuckling or flight of fancy, while still being a quality book, I feel is important. 3) 'There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.' (Oscar Wilde). What do you think about this? Mostly agree, with some exceptions like Mein Kempf and other outliers. That being said, propaganda literature is always poorly written so he’s still correct ! 4) ‘What I should like to write is a book about nothing. The finest works are those that contain the least matter. I believe the future of Art lies in this direction.' (Flaubert). Do you agree? A very Seinfeldiean quote! Yes and no. I agree a book can be powerful without focusing on lords and ladies, kings and queens, or heroes/monsters. But, we still in the modern age love things like GAme of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, marvel movies, etc so the appeal of the epic still seems to remain. \

Peter F

Le seul moyen de supporter l'existence c'est de s'étourdir dans la littérature comme dans une orgie pépétuelle.

Peter F

Great quote from Flaubert and aptly applicable to the bookworms in the book club

Svetlana Monroe

Omg, Ben, what is it with this slow tempo? What happened to your usual lecture style -which was exhilarating ly refreshing and inspiring, like drinking from the fountain? The substance is great, but the slowness really takes away from it…

English

Do you mean the speaking cadence or the frequency of lectures? March is Benjamin's birthday month and his publishing pace may be understandably slower. Honestly, I still cannot believe he has the time to publish so much incredible content at the pace that he does. If you mean his speaking cadence, he may be deliberately slowing down for the many international fans of his who are receiving all of his excellent info in their second language. You can always increase the speed of the audio if you are listening in the Patreon app.

JP

I do sympathize with Emma. I think she’s such a hated character because she exposes to the reader parts of themselves they’d rather not face. I do agree with Oscar Wilde that books are simply well written or badly written. So far I am enjoying this book. The attention to detail, though at times too much, gives (no pun intended) a realism to the story and characters that pulls you deeper into the book

Helen Lyons

Hi Ben, Thank-you for the great lecture - although I have to say that your voice sounded different for some reason? This is my first reading of Madame Bovary and I am enjoying the book. I do feel for Emma - I see many young girls in her, although today woman have more choices available to them. I liked your comments about social media and I also thought of this as well. The books were Emma's social media throwing up to her how life and love should and will be. On page 41 she refers to "following formulas she believed efficacious, she kept trying to experience love......" Many of us do this today by comparing our lives to others on social media and it makes people feel inadequate and disappointed with their own choices. I saw this with my own sons who would think they were missing something. I like the way Flaubert describes certain scenes - the wedding and the ball. I prefer the realism of country life that Flaubert describes. I also feel for Charles who feels so happy with his situation and has very little understanding of his wife's feelings. Happy Birthday Ben!

Ldawg44

I really do sympathize with Emma. I know so many Emmas, and I feel that I was Emma but a few moons ago. Im 25, so it really wasn’t that long ago that I was in the height of my teenage angst. It might not be the 1800s anymore, but media has still managed to convince me that life should be a certain way, and it’s really easy to compare oneself against the glamorous lives we see other people living on tv or social media. I think love, too, is something that is tragically underexplored in mainstream television. We have romance, and chick flicks, and stories of loss, and couples that don’t like each other, sure. But I’m hard pressed to think of really popular shows, movies, books, where the characters have a very mundane, very intentional, slow love that isn’t perfect and that they each have to continuously work at to keep alive. One of the biggest shocks of my twenties was realizing that “soul mates” are, for all intents and purposes, just a Disneyfied concept and unrealistic. Luckily, I live in a time where I was able to come to that realization before I had a husband, kids, etc, but I feel for Emma and for all people who reach that disillusionment after it’s too late.