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'Have you ever had the experience of running across in a book some vague idea you've had, some image that you realise has been lurking all the time in the back of your mind and now seems to express absolutely your most subtle feelings?'

Today we are spending some time in Yonville, and meeting some vibrant new characters, as we continue to immerse ourselves in the lyrical realism of Gustave Flaubert with Madame Bovary.

We are discussing the rise of the petit bourgeois, revolution, restoration, empire, realism vs naturalism, the city of Paris, the Enlightenment vs Romanticism, religious hypocrisy, the aims of art, the danger of reading novels, the psychology of infidelity, and much more.

Please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read up to these chapters yet, or dip in as best suits your personal reading journey, as I continue to stay away from spoilers for things later in the narrative.

Timestamps:

0:00 welcome to Yonville-L’Abbaye

3:00 when is Madame Bovary set?

6:00 from Revolution to Restoration

8:00 the rise of the petit bourgeois

10:00 pastoral in Flaubert vs Hardy

11:00 romance & the rise of the realism

13:00 illusion & reality in Don Quixote

15:00 naturalism in Émile Zola’s novels

17:00 Montaigne’s question of que sais-je?

18:00 differences of realism vs naturalism

19:00 experiments in fiction seeking truth

20:00 short stories of Guy de Maupassant

22:00 Madame Lefrançois & Monsieur Homais

23:00 both slice-of-life & a novel of ideas

24:00 Flaubert’s critique of religious hypocrisy

25:00 voices of the Age of Enlightenment

27:00 invoking the ideals of the Revolution

28:00 Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s romantic credo

30:00 Emma & Charles arrive in Yonville

31:00 the camera lens in realist literature

32:00 rise of the flâneur & lyrical realism

33:00 meeting Monsieur Léon Dupuis

35:00 meditating upon the romantic sublime

37:00 Léon on the power of reading literature

39:00 what is the ultimate aim of art?

40:00 you should be proud of your reading

42:00 shady backstory of Monsieur Homais

43:00 Charles vs Emma on parenthood

45:00 why does Emma want to have a son?

47:00 Emma’s potential names for her daughter

50:00 Léon & Emma’s developing relationship

52:00 why does Emma hate Charles so much?

53:00 does Emma have a narcissistic disorder?

54:00 Emma Bovary’s spiritual problem

57:00 Hausmann’s renovation of Paris

59:00 Léon bids adieu to Emma Bovary

1:00:00 what worry can do to one’s health

1:01:00 cutting Emma off from her books

1:03:00 the danger of reading French novels

1:04:00 meeting M. Rodolphe Boulanger 

1:06:00 the problem with pedestaling others

1:08:00 Emma Bovary betrays her husband

1:10:00 how Emma changes from her adultery

1:13:00 is Emma Bovary a realistic character?

1:15:00 ‘Have you got your pistols?’ she asked

1:17:00 today’s lament is tomorrow’s romance

1:18:00 the disaster of Hippolyte’s operation

1:20:00 Emma’s self-sacrificing martyrdom

1:22:00 consumerism is the new escapism

1:23:00 Emma’s illness cures her lovesickness

1:25:00 aching with pride vs Christian humility

1:28:00 Emma & Charles visit the opera

1:21:00 ending part two on a cliffhanger

1:33:00 what are you making of the novel?

1:35:00 our next Madame Bovary discussion

Resources to Explore:

  • Literary Criticism: "Novelists should thank Flaubert the way poets thank spring; it all begins again with him." James Wood has one of the most insightful, accessible, and digestible works on revolutionary literary techniques with his How Fiction Works. He gives a lot of care and attention to Flaubert, along with many more great writers who we have met together.

  • Short Fiction: Treat yourself to some fabulous short stories penned by Flaubert's protégé Guy de Maupassant and try to get a sense of the shared commonalities and differences between realism and naturalism. I highly recommend the Roger Colet translation of his stories in Penguin paperback. Stories like 'Boule de Suif,' 'Madame Tellier's Establishment,' 'The Horla,' and 'The Necklace' are great starting points. Take Colin Wilson's advice with Guy de Maupassant and shuck his stories back like oysters, reading several swiftly in a single sitting.

  • Theatre & Essays: We previously recommended enjoying some of the bard's greatest plays, in service of locating the Shakespearean substance in Flaubert, and also enjoying some Ibsen to see where realism would head in the nineteenth century. Next I'd recommend revisiting the writers that Flaubert admired in the French tradition. In the theatre, that means Molière, with plays like Tartuffe and The Learned Ladies. How does Molière's social satire compare with that of Flaubert's? And it would also be worth returning to the Essays of Michel de Montaigne or enjoying our lecture on them. Flaubert would call Montaigne his 'foster father.' Can you identify any wisdom from Montaigne that also runs through Flaubert?

  • More Fiction: We referenced a few fair exciting and influential writers in our discussion, but, as we said at the outset, I would especially love if you made the acquaintance of Émile Zola off the back of your reading of Flaubert. His scandalous Therese Raquin, which was inspired by Madame Bovary, is a great starting point. Or you could embark upon a long-term reading of his Rougon-Macquart cycle. Though you can start with the first one, The Fortune of the Rougons, it may be most rewarding to go to the crème de la crème with novels like Germinal, Nana, or La Bête Humaine.

  • Music Appreciation: The opera that Emma attends in Rouen is Donizetti’s Lucia di Lammermoor, which is based on a work by Sir Walter Scott. You can enjoy the entire thing here from the excellent Herbert von Karajan. ‘The mad scene interested Emma not at all,' we're told. You can see the infamous 'mad scene' here.

  • Birthday Reading: As it's my birthday tomorrow, I'm going to have a bit of a special podcast coming out soon to celebrate. I always love to make sure I spend time with my favourite writers and return to my favourite passages on my birthday. That often means cracking open my copies of works like Hamlet, Henry IV parts 1 & 2, The Tale of Genji, Don Quixote, Pride and Prejudice, The Pickwick Papers, Moby Dick, Paradise Lost, the essays of Montaigne, and the poems of Whitman. What books would be on your personal reread list? What are your go-to scenes and passages for comfort reading?

Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion will cover the events of part three of the novel, which is comprised of eleven chapters and takes us through to the climax of the story.

This weekend coming we will have our penultimate lecture in our Shakespeare read-through, which covers Henry VIII and an incredibly important and fascinating period of history. And the weekend after that, we will be appreciating the final instalment of Madame Bovary together.

Questions for You:

1) What do you make of the new characters we have met?

2) Do you enjoy Flaubert's sense of humour?

3) To what degree does the environment determine Emma's life?

4) Is there anything still 'scandalous' about Madame Bovary today?

If this is your first reading of Flaubert's Madame Bovary, I would love to know how the novel is meeting your expectations. Where do you see the story going next? If this is a reread for you, what is it like returning to this work? And please do share with us your favourite passages, character insights, and ideas from the story so far.

Happy reading, everybody!

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Heather

So far I think this novel is pretty timeless. How many Emma's do we encounter everyday? The Emma's that endlessly scroll on social media comparing their own life to others. She is thinking to herself that these "influencers" really have it all together, they are so in love, they have so much fun on lavish vacations, and they buy the best and newest products. She maxes out her credit card for the fear of missing out. Then she is let down but the monotony of her everyday life and bad credit score. Emma Bovary compares her life to the ones she reads in books. But books aren't always real life, just like social media is not real life.

Helen Lyons

I agree Heather - we see a lot of Emma's today and perhaps this always was part of every young girl to varying degrees.

Helen Lyons

Thank-you Ben for a great lecture. I am really enjoying this book. There was so much going on in Part 2. Lots of social commentary which I enjoy. Charles and Emma - never have two people been so disconnected. One has to feel for Charles, who loves Emma and would probably do anything for her but lacks any insight into how she really feels. He is content to a large degree by coming home after a day riding around attending to patients and examining the contents of basins. His pretty wife and child are all he needs. Emma wants excitement, to think that something wonderful and great is just around the corner. She is such an easy target, and how many women have found themselves in the same position - P 123 - "Poor little thing! She's gasping for love like a carp on a kitchen table gasping for water. A compliment or two and she'd adore me, I'm positive" We can all see what is going to happen. I love the trip to the Opera, I found it quite funny, Poor Charles unable to follow the story - Emma trying to tell him and being shushed by the audience. Emma's attention is soon diverted and she wants to leave at the moment that Charles finally gets the story. It's a great scene. Look forward to part 3.

Helen Lyons

Many years ago I read some of Guy de Maupassant's short stories - they are great. I also loved Emile Zola 'Nana'. I plan to read some more of these!

John Ward

Ma pauvre Emma! - My poor Emma These are the words in the letter of Emma's father immediately before there is a gap between the lines, as though the good old man had allowed his pen to drop whilst lost in contemplation. Not only does this show how his pushing her into the arms of Charles has messed up both his and his daughter's life, but Flaubert is at the same time surely using this technique to make us, the reader, stop and contemplate Emma's unenviable position and to sympathise and empathise with her as he obviously does himself - because she is him! It is surely no coincidence that this passage is just about at the centre of the book. Flaubert knows that there would be many who would just see her conduct as unforgivable and beyond the pail, as there still are today. Steegmuller cannot bring himself to include this key phrase, 'My poor Emma'. Poor Flaubert to have a translator show so great an author such disrespect.

NicoleA

I spent time trying to decide whether I thought Emma was a good or bad person and if I liked her or not. But then I became focussed on bigger questions. Why is it necessary to form such opinions? What gives me the right to be so judgemental? We expect people to abide by our standards, even when they live in vastly different eras, places and times!

Daisy

Great lecture as always, Ben. Thank you. This is such a thought-provoking story. Emma annoys me most of the time, however, we have to ask if her environment contributes to why she is like this. I don't think she ever had a great female role model. What was her parents' relationship? People usually form their ideas of love from what they experience in their families and try to emulate or do the opposite. Also, you expect people to mature as they grow older. We can't keep fantasizing about the pleasures of life when we start a family and have dependents. Emma, I feel, hasn't really matured yet but she may never do due to mental illness. This is really sad. I feel for the people around her, Charles and Berthe, who are severely impacted. I am looking forward to part three and finishing the book. I am hoping Emma has the courage to tell Charles the truth about how she feels about him.

Greg

I forgot about that scene: « Like a carp on a table ». Such condescension. You can almost hear the sneer in his voice.

Danielle Hovley

Ben mentioned how cinematic this book is, finally putting a word to why it captivated me so much more than I expected. The scene at the ceremony where Rodolphe is working on Emma during the speeches was so interesting and real to me. We as readers are there in the room hearing both the speeches and what's going on between the two up on the second floor, immersed in the moment. While I hated Rodolphe's ploy, I can admire how masterfully crafted the scene is.

Kim B

How much debt does cinema owe to Madame Bovary?

Tiffany

It is taking me a long time to get through this book as I was in a reading slump for most of the spring season and it is depressing to read and think about Emma's life/character. But, after listening to Ben's lecture, I am now intrigued. My big takeaway from this section is the fact that Emma is living in the past and the future (as she romanticizes it) while Charles seems to be living in the present. Both are deluding themselves about their lives and they don't know it. Sometimes in the novel I feel like Emma is on the verge of some maturity and self-awareness, but the conclusions she comes to is incorrect, leading to more disillusionment. Jaded even? While reading about Rys the town from an article, I accidentally think I got a spoiler alert for the ending, which is bummer. I do wish that Emma would have at least stayed to watch the end of the opera. It was fitting that Charles was just beginning to make sense of it when they left.

Danielle Dean

This is a reread for me. I had to read it at school and didnt absorb it. This time I finished it in 2 days. Although Emma was flawed...thinking the grass is better on the other side..I was rooting for her. There is a little Emma in many of us!