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'It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here.'

Today we finally hear Judge Holden's philosophy of war. 

We're discussing how the voice of God differs from the voice of the devil, historian as judge, pandaemonium, dancing, suzerainty, law and order, good and evil, and, of course, war and peace.

As this is another long one, please feel free to use the timestamps below to navigate through in the way that best suits you.

Blood Meridian Series:

Supplementary Resources:

Lecture Timestamps:

  • 0:00 “War is God”
  • 3:00 a challenge of deep-reading
  • 6:00 how to read Judge Holden
  • 7:00 the real Judge Holdens
  • 9:00 a forgotten massacre
  • 10:45 what is history?
  • 13:00 Holden’s harness maker parable
  • 15:00 controlling the past, and future
  • 18:00 are we doomed to repeat history?
  • 20:30 McCarthy’s pandaemonium
  • 26:00 dancing and warfare
  • 30:00 the passage of souls
  • 34:00 Judge Holden’s unity
  • 35:50 what is Holden’s purpose?
  • 37:20 Judge Holden as suzerain
  • 40:00 “the freedom of birds is an insult”
  • 41:00 Captain Ahab in Judge Holden
  • 42:00 judges, historians & witnesses
  • 43:00 Judge Holden and Iago
  • 44:45 the voice of God vs Satan
  • 46:00 is Holden man or devil?
  • 50:00 law, order & threat of violence
  • 52:30 Orwell & world peace vs holy wars
  • 53:40 Montaigne on luxury and war
  • 55:00 Hegel & states vs individuals
  • 57:00 firefight with Sonoran cavalry
  • 58:00 the compassion of the Kid
  • 1:01:00 morality revealed by its opposite
  • 1:02:00 Moses and the burning bush
  • 1:06:00 the ubiquity of violence
  • 1:08:10 the green meteor
  • 1:08:50 the Chiricahua tribe
  • 1:11:00 the caged “idiot”
  • 1:11:30 the barroom shootout
  • 1:13:00 Judge Holden’s legal representation
  • 1:15:00 Anaximander & Thales
  • 1:16:00 Holden lifts the meteor
  • 1:17:10 Hamlet on limits of human knowledge
  • 1:21:00 “the arc of circling bodies”
  • 1:23:30 the “War is God” speech
  • 1:28:00 Nietzche’s “danger and play”
  • 1:29:00 the culture of competition
  • 1:31:00 all games aspire to war
  • 1:33:00 humans & the animal kingdom
  • 1:34:00 not being at peace with oneself
  • 1:35:20 war as sacrificial purging
  • 1:37:00 two types of human aggression
  • 1:39:00 setting the idiot’s cage on fire
  • 1:39:50 massacre at the Yuma crossing
  • 1:41:00 fate catches up with Glanton
  • 1:43:00 Judge Holden vs the Yumas
  • 1:45:00 the Judge pursues the Kid
  • 1:46:10 “your life is forfeit”
  • 1:47:00 the Kid spares the Judge
  • 1:47:45 “stop your ears”
  • 1:49:00 how to recognise the voice of Satan
  • 1:50:11 chapter reading assignments

Mentioned:  St. Augustine, Emerson, Conrad, Hegel, Joyce, Milton, Orwell, Montaigne, Nietzsche, Plato, Walter Pater, Dr Jane Goodall, Solzhenitsyn, Shakespeare, Aristotle, Kant, Erich Fromm, Sartre.

Some Questions:

1) What do you make of the "War is God" speech?

2) Are we doomed to repeat history? 

3) Would you have shot Judge Holden if you were in the Kid's position? Why didn't the Kid pull the trigger?

Bonus: Please share with us any of your favourite passages/lines, and any insights that have occurred to you.

And they rode on.

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Blood Meridian, Lecture Three: War is God (Chapters XIII-XX)

0:00 “War is God” 3:00 a challenge of deep-reading 6:00 how to read Judge Holden 7:00 the real Judge Holdens 9:00 a forgotten massacre 10:45 what is history? 13:00 Holden’s harness maker parable 15:00 controlling the past, and future 18:00 are we doomed to repeat history? 20:30 McCarthy’s pandaemonium 26:00 dancing and warfare 30:00 the passage of souls 34:00 Judge Holden’s unity 35:50 what is Holden’s purpose? 37:20 Judge Holden as suzerain 40:00 “the freedom of birds is an insult” 41:00 Captain Ahab in Judge Holden 42:00 judges, historians & witnesses 43:00 Judge Holden and Iago 44:45 the voice of God vs Satan 46:00 is Holden man or devil? 50:00 law, order & threat of violence 52:30 Orwell & world peace vs holy wars 53:40 Montaigne on luxury and war 55:00 Hegel & states vs individuals 57:00 firefight with Sonoran cavalry 58:00 the compassion of the Kid 1:01:00 morality revealed by its opposite 1:02:00 Moses and the burning bush 1:06:00 the ubiquity of violence 1:08:10 the green meteor 1:08:50 the Chiricahua tribe 1:11:00 the caged “idiot” 1:11:30 the barroom shootout 1:13:00 Judge Holden’s legal representation 1:15:00 Anaximander & Thales 1:16:00 Holden lifts the meteor 1:17:10 Hamlet on limits of human knowledge 1:21:00 “the arc of circling bodies” 1:23:30 the “War is God” speech 1:28:00 Nietzche’s “danger and play” 1:29:00 the culture of competition 1:31:00 all games aspire to war 1:33:00 humans & the animal kingdom 1:34:00 not being at peace with oneself 1:35:20 war as sacrificial purging 1:37:00 two types of human aggression 1:39:00 setting the idiot’s cage on fire 1:39:50 massacre at the Yuma crossing 1:41:00 fate catches up with Glanton 1:43:00 Judge Holden vs the Yumas 1:45:00 the Judge pursues the Kid 1:46:10 “your life is forfeit” 1:47:00 the Kid spares the Judge 1:47:45 “stop your ears” 1:49:00 how to recognise the voice of Satan 1:50:11 chapter reading assignments

Comments

Anonymous

When the Judge says God is War, then he is conjuring up something very different from the God of the King James Bible, or maybe not so different if you take into the account of the personality of God in the Old Testament. God in the Old Testament is not so even keeled as the Judge, that God is jealous and vengeful, demands strict obedience, and is willing to destroy nearly all mankind, his anger can be so great when he feel his rules are thwarted. But the judge is not mhing like that old God. The Judge six second in command of the Glanton gang and if he were a normal version of a hyper warrior kind of man, he would have challenge Glanton and demanded homage. But the Judge is a kind of happy pervert. Although there is talk of unity in this discussion, the judge is no brother at arms with anyone. So what is he representing to McCarthy? I think he is representing the American will that got us involved in Vietnam. The judge talks about how old men want to send the young to fight wars, and this was one of the versions of the accusations many young men who didn’t want to fight in a war they viewed as pointless. But the old men in congress and the president, insisted on sending youth to kill and be killed. There was something edifying in that sacrifice to them. The deaths of women and children who died in something like the My Lei Massacre, that is just the casualty of war. If McCarthy had to personify that collective will toward war into one person, it became the personality of the Judge. He isn’t masculine, he isn’t a hero, he is all the males that wanted to keep a pointless war going. When he talks about war as a game, it is that view of war as entertainment, and all those who stay home and stay safe while pushing to keep a war going, when as McCarthy says had no point. Winning can be a flip of a coin, and not proof of anything except that the winner gets to write the history, where the war was a great adventure, and the killers were heroic. You can look at levels of testosterone and how it affects dominance in males of all species, and we can know that there is a fundamental killing instinct in human males. Even little boys want their guns. How all of that creates something horrific, and the way we try to whitewash the blood of innocents out of the story, is something he is trying to correct.

Anonymous

Yes, I agree Ben. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s brilliant, but I haven’t started War and Peace yet and need to catch up! … He read on…. 😂