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Poll: Legacy Content to Include by Default (Patreon)

Published:
2025-05-31 00:27:35
Edited:
2025-06-02 10:13:41
Imported:
2026-06
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Poll

Poll: Legacy Content to Include by Default

  • Include all legacy content by default and make it possible to mix them (i.e. multiclass 2014 cleric with 2024 cleric) 90
  • Include all legacy content by default as above, but make it optional to add (i.e. excluded sources) 166
  • Only include legacy content that has not been updated to 2024 rules by default 281
  • Don’t include legacy content by default, I’ll import what I need 73
  • 2025-05-30
  • —2025-06-09
  • 610 votes
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Clarification added 2025-06-02

The 2024 sheets will exist next to the current one for the 5e (2014) rules. This poll is just for the new, yet to be released, 2024 sheets. If you aren't planning on using the new rules, then this poll will not affect you.

I am making this edit and sending you all a reminder of it, because I see a lot of responses worrying about the sheet no longer properly supporting the 5e (2014) rules. I have mentioned this in previous posts, but should've probably included it here as well. My bad!

The previous poll was about releasing a beta version of the 2024 sheet. The results were very clearly a “do what I think is best”, which has mostly taught me to not include this option anymore if I want a real answer.

After talking with the active contributors on Discord, the option I’m gravitating towards is to release a beta with the SRD content. The SRD contains almost all content, so it will be only a little more work after that to have a version with all PHB’24 content.

Now for today's poll I would like your input on: How to handle Legacy Content.

"Legacy content” refers to all the 5e (2014) publications. As the 2024 rules are (mostly) backwards compatible, you can use all the 5e content with it. This includes both the stuff that hasn’t been updated to 2024 rules (e.g. you want to use the School of Necromancy wizard subclass from the 2014 PHB or play as a Half-Elf), as well as the stuff that has gotten an update, but you want to use anyway (e.g. you want to use the 2014 rules for the Mountain Dwarf).

The question today is how to handle this content in the 2024 character sheet, namely: what legacy content should be included by default. In other words: What legacy content would you always want to have available in the sheet?

Some things to consider

Regardless of the result of this poll, you can always add any legacy content you want by importing it as an add-on script. This poll is to determine what is included by default.

[Option 2] This option is what the current fan-made 2024 script by Pokésimmer does. If all legacy content is available but requires to be “included” on a case-by-case basis, that will inflate the sheet’s file size significantly.

[Option 1] Defaulting the ability to mix and match 2024 content with 2014 content, thus having all of it always available, will result in the sheet significantly slowing down. Imagine dropdowns including much more content and menus having to populate more options. For example, almost all spells would appear twice in the dropdown select boxes, making the spell select dialogs take longer to load and making it harder to select the one you are looking for.

[Option 3 & 4] Not including (all) the legacy content will reduce file size and speed up the use of the sheet. However, if one of these options is selected, I would prefer to not make it possible to mix and match 2024 rules with those that are replaced (i.e. not have 2 spells/clases/feats/etc. by the same name, one from the 2014 PHB and the other from the 2024 PHB).

Regardless of the result of this poll, I will not be adding the 5e (2014) Unearthed Arcana content to the 2024 sheet by default. Keep in mind that it is playtest content that didn’t make it to print, and that the 2024 rules are getting their own UA articles. The 5e UA add-on scripts will still be available for those who want to use them with the 2024 sheets.

When playing a 2024 game, I would personally not use 2014 rules when there is a 2024 version available, but I can see how a mix of the two might be appealing. If either option 3 or 4 is the winner, I will probably do another poll to ask how you'd prefer legacy add-on scripts be packaged. For example, this next poll could include an option to make separate 2014 class add-on files that include the class and its subclasses from all official sources. That way you’d just import one file to get the full functionality of the 2014 cleric class.

Comments

Aaron Barr

Just make sure I can still play Mystic, 😂

morepurplemorebetter

You'll be able to play a mystic regardless of the result of this poll, as you can always import the add-on script for it. I'm joking, but it almost feels like if you want to play a Mystic, you could basically use the 2014 sheet, as expect for feats and magic items, there are virtually no 2024 options that the Mystic interacts with.

TheWitchPunk (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-05 20:00 Will there still be a version with NO 2024 content? I'm refusing to touch it for ethical reasons.
2025-05-31 01:00

Joy Phillip

And back when the 2024 content was just being talked about, I suggested having a 2024 sheet and a legacy sheet, and many said it shouldn't be done. So here we are again....

Erudite Barbarian

Considering that some things are either changed so that they don't do the same thing, backwards compatibility is barely the correct terminology for a great deal of options, the Origin feats are terrible, and many features are nerfed...all options for all combinations should be default, as maximum sheet utility is the best possible outcome for users. I, and many of my DM mates, are allowing players to pick and choose between sources even within the classes and races.

Myrrden

For the most part, same. As a DM, I won't touch it. As a player, I'll play it but I'm not spending a dime on the rulebook.

morepurplemorebetter

With a "legacy sheet", do you mean a sheet with all legacy content enabled, or just one that doesn't use the 2024 rules? I'll be making a 2024 sheet that exists next to the 5e (2014) sheet, it won't be replacing what currently exist.

Joy Phillip

One sheet that is only legacy, all that exists with a coding that will disallow 2024 content from working in it. The other with a blend of the 2014 and 2024 content enabled, with a line of text, perhaps near the character name, stating that this sheet allows only 2014 content and rules.

L0neGamer

I was originally going to vote for "included but not enabled as a source" but keeping things slim is a good idea. If 2014 rules can be condensed to a single add-on, then those that want to mix and match can just create their own example file which imports that add-on

Daniel Danielson

I understand the desire to mix and match but 2014 and 2024 are different enough my recommendation is pick one and play with that. So a 'legacy/2014' sheet and a 'current' sheet. Keep in mind that majority of the modules are 'legacy' so need some modification to be as challenging the 'current' PC builds.

morepurplemorebetter

There will be a separate sheet for 5e (2014). This poll is for the 2024 sheet, that will be made available in addition to the current sheet.

morepurplemorebetter

I don't agreed but I can see where you are coming from. The beauty of this game is that you can change it to how you see fit. Would you want to be able to use two thing by the same name next to each other? For example, be able to select both the 5e Blade Ward cantrip as well as the 2024 Blade Ward cantrip on the same character? I'm asking, because this is the part that I have a hard time imagining a use for, but as your ideas about it clearly differ from mine, I'd love to hear from a different point of view

John Naudi

I'm not sure I understand. Do the one that takes you less time, I cannot wait to have the 2024 sheet. Tbh , I think 04 and 24 should remain separate. One either plays one or the other, not both. But that's my opinion.

Red Kite

Many of my DMs really dislike the 2024 rules and don’t use them. So I think being able to have all of 2014 still available is important.

Erudite Barbarian

I think the best way to put it is thus - "Modularity is the king of choice." Your tool is one of the most flexible options I have ever seen for D&D, and reducing that rather than expanding on it seems counter to your design philosophy. I understand not making it too complex though. Some examples; FEATS - The new one for War Caster is pretty much better all around, but the new Alert feat is Origin only and is garbage compared to the original. I would allow players to use the new WC, but I would probably be banning the Origin feats in any future game (it took away the special sense of the Human Variant for starters.) As such, both sources are required. SPELLS - A choice between 5E or 2024 will come down to individual spells - and this will vary from table to table, player to player. No specific examples, but your Blade Ward example is not what I mean - I am using that spell on one of my current characters, which is using 2024 as the base rules but with a Rule of Cool approach to source for specifics - and the old one works better for my Earth Genasi. I don't want both, but while I am using 2024 for most things, I needed 5E for the race/species and the spell, but am using 2024's Arcane Trickster for the class. So it is a mix of both - my own table runs a little like this, though I had manually customized some things like feats and some spells (which means manual corrections to player character sheets, which your tool allows for mostly). CLASS - The new Paladin is IMO, worse. The new Warlock is IMO, different but not better or worse. The new Wizard is IMO, better. So, a mix here would be great for multiclassing, though the two rule sets don't really gel well for that. Ultimately, 2024 isn't a like for like update, it is an overhaul (and probably should have just been worked further and made 6E). SUBCLASS - This is where backwards compatibility goes askew, the new 'everyone subclasses at Level 3' adds simplicity at the cost of identity, but it also ruins BC for many classes. And multiclassing, ooft, it is a pain. But, both sources are desirable to exist here, as for how to implement - I have no idea. I am unsure if this clarifies, but please, I am happy to answer questions!

Chad Manning

I for one want 1, but 2 is a compromise; Number 3 and 4 going to be a dealbreaker for me; If you want to create a separate '24 only sheet, like number 3 then that is fine... I play with many parts of the Original Rules Including Backgrounds and Hybrid Clerics... If MPMB is dropping the ability to handle that than I am better off using my own excel sheets and dropping the patreon.

morepurplemorebetter

Thank you for your insightful feedback! Just so I'm clear, then you also don't intend to allow players to pick the same thing from both editions next to each other? With this I mean allowing a player to select both the Alert (2014) feat and the Alert (2024) feat. Would you want the sheet to be able to accommodate that, or is it okay that things by the same name from the two editions can't be both active at the same time? Don't worry on how it is implemented, I'll do that. It is just a different process to allow both to be selectable next to each other or just instead of each other.

morepurplemorebetter

I have edited the above post to clarify that I'll be making a 2024 sheet that exists next to the 5e (2014) sheet, it won't be replacing what currently exist.

morepurplemorebetter

I have edited the above post to clarify that I'll be making a 2024 sheet that exists next to the 5e (2014) sheet, it won't be replacing what currently exist.

morepurplemorebetter

I have edited the above post to clarify that I'll be making a 2024 sheet that exists next to the 5e (2014) sheet, it won't be replacing what currently exist.

morepurplemorebetter

I have edited the above post to clarify that I'll be making a 2024 sheet that exists next to the 5e (2014) sheet, it won't be replacing what currently exist.

morepurplemorebetter

I am unclear on what kind of comparison you think I am making. I am in the process of reading through the 2024 PHB and editing the code for any player options to reflect the changes. I am not maintaining some kind of separate comparison file to reference what I changed, that is what GitHub is for ;)

morepurplemorebetter

I'm voting for option 3, because stuff that hasn't (yet) been replaced in the 2024 rules are still viable player options. For example, subclasses from the 2014 PHB that haven't been reprinted. This should result in a lean enough sheet (or at least I hope it will). All the rest is easily handled with pre-packaged add-on scripts.

Vitor Rodrigo

"Regardless of the result of this poll, you can always add any legacy content you want by importing it as an add-on script. This poll is to determine what is included by default." how do I get this add-on script?

morepurplemorebetter

The add-on script doesn't currently exist. As the 2024 sheet has not been finished, there is not yet any reason to have add-on scripts for it. There will probably first be a poll to determine how these add-on scripts will be packaged. What are you trying to do that you are looking for 5e (i.e legacy) content, are you missing something from the currently available sheets (which only have 5e content)?

Vitor Rodrigo

Don't worry. I wanted to ask when the new spreadsheet is ready, where I can find this add-on to include the content I will need. The current spreadsheet is fine for me.

Ben Forde

If you do modular add-ins for 2014 content I'd like to request that one of them be legacy actions like Grapple, Shove / Shove Aside, Overrun, Tumble Through.

morepurplemorebetter

That's unfortunately not possible, because the default actions aren't set by an add-on script. But it is easily fixable with a script you run one-time, or by manually changing what is written in the action fields. This is assuming you are referring to the colourful sheets and the action entries filled out by default. Other than that, the 2024 and 2014 sheets won't have any differences when it comes to actions.

Jeremi Przadka

My requirement is a 2024 PH compatible character sheet with nothing else outside of 2024 rules that I did not explicitly import myself. Failing that, something that clearly indicates that old content is not 2024 rules so I can easily exclude/remove it.

Carson

Since 2024 is still ostensibly 5e, option 3 makes the most sense by including the 2014 content not explicitly overridden by 2024. My groups still very much appreciate you retaining the original 2014 as a separate sheet!

morepurplemorebetter

My first idea is to use what is there, use the Source Selection dialog to exclude content you don't want based on its source. Thus you could exclude everything except the 2024 sources and would have a 2024-only sheet.

Stephen Miller

I guess I am an oddball user, as I have no plans to switch to the 2024 version of the game. For me, I would want a sheet that I can toggle off the 2024 material and just use the 2014 material.

morepurplemorebetter

I have edited the above post to clarify that I'll be making a 2024 sheet that exists next to the 5e (2014) sheet, it won't be replacing what currently exist.

Guranta Glimm

Any Updates? (Our new campaign has its 4th session and the dm is asking for some good character sheets :-) )

Mark Morris

What is happening? Is this defunct?

Rusty_Alley (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-05 20:00 My play group is only sticking to 2014 what does this mean for us?
2025-08-07 08:57

morepurplemorebetter

That you should stick with the 2014 sheet and not grab the 2024 (when it ever gets finished). There will be 2 different PDFs, one for each version of the game system.

Master Cain

Pardon the intrusion, but what's the ETA for the next update? I'm using the most current version (v13.2.3+241220) of the character sheet template, but it's applying 2014 rules to some aspects of my Arcane Trickster, whom I'm playing in Adventurer's League, which is using 2024 rules. To keep my dude AL-legal, I've had to manually fix some things on his character sheet, like using Adobe Acrobat's Edit function to adjust his Initiative Bonus (he has the Alert Feat, which now adds current Proficiency Bonus instead of a flat +5) because the template's scripting won't let me change the number from within the document. Also, Reliable Talent kicks in at Rogue level 7 (4 levels earlier than before), and Arcane Tricksters can now choose from any Wizard spell school, not just Enchantment and Illusion. Also, AL isn't basing levels on exp anymore (you can choose to level up or decline it at the end of a session unless the DM says otherwise), but the template keeps nagging me to add experience points to my level 12 character. While this is admittedly the best of the customizable character sheet templates I've found and there's a great deal to recommend it in general, the fact that I have to jump through so many hoops just to keep it in line with my 2024 AL-legal character renders it cumbersome and almost not worth maintaining paid membership on here while I wait an unspecified time for an updated template.

Craig Smith

Have we an ETA on the new rules sheet please. I only subbed as Google pointed me here for a 2024 sheet - is it not available?

BlackDragonBE

Privileged much? Some of us have been subscribed for years and have been waiting patiently.

A. van Ginneken

I’ve been donating for a few years now and have the same question. 2024 is there for a year now and I’m not seeing much activity, at least not on Patreon. An ETA would be nice.

Kaplan MacGuffin

What are the chances of a sheet with all the nice graphics but that lets me fill in everything else like homebrew classes, subclases, spells, skills, or anything else? I've seen lots of great sheets and this is one, but so many lack full customization, like say homebrewed exhaustion rules. A sheet that could make very field able to be overridden with custom text would be a huge win, though I say that now knowing how hard that might be.

morepurplemorebetter

Have you looked at the script made by Pokésimmer? He has done a great job of making a 2024 add-on script for the existing sheet. It isn't perfect, as it doesn't account for all the changes in 2024 due to just being an add-on script, but it does a good job. You can find it through the MPMB Discord and at their GitHub page for it: https://github.com/thepokesimmer/2024-PHB

morepurplemorebetter

You can get the community 2024 add-on script to get 2024 rules (mostly) working. The Pokésimmer made this script. He has done a great job of making a 2024 add-on script for the existing sheet. It isn't perfect, as it doesn't account for all the changes in 2024 due to just being an add-on script, but it does a good job. You can find it through the MPMB Discord and at The Pokésimmer's GitHub page for it: https://github.com/thepokesimmer/2024-PHB