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Hey everyone, sorry it's been a while since the last news post or update! Here's what's been going on.

So, I bought an AMD Radeon RX 580 GPU a few weeks ago and have been working on AMD GPU compatibility for SEUS PTGI E9. I was quite disappointed with the performance on this card, though, and after some investigation, I found the cause. Due to differences in hardware design, AMD GPUs tend to struggle with geometry shaders that have a lot of input geometry.

I utilize geometry shaders in order to allow for both voxelization for GI and sunlight shadows simultaneously. However, the work that was being done in this step wasn't much more than a simple copying of all geometry once, and so I started wondering if a different approach could be taken to avoid geometry shaders entirely. 

After discussing it with the developer of OptiFine, the latest version of OptiFine for Minecraft 1.14.4 now has a new feature, which is the ability to tell OptiFine to render geometry in a certain stage more than once. Using this feature, I'm able to skip using geometry shaders entirely! This provides a very slight speedup on NVIDIA graphics cards, but offers huge speedups on the RX 580 (this should apply to other AMD cards as well)! At times I've seen a doubling of frame rate utilizing this new feature instead of geometry shaders!

So, I've been working on getting this new alternative approach to be as robust as the old geometry shaders approach, as well as generally working on AMD compatibility. There are a few visual bugs remaining that I can't seem to track down, but since it's been so long and they're relatively minor, I think I'll leave those for E10; I don't want to keep you guys waiting any longer!

More concerning about AMD compatibility is that I seem to encounter random crashes whenever SEUS PTGI's shaders are loaded. Sometimes I just have to try multiple times to successfully get in-game without a crash, and I can't seem to find the cause or figure out why it's just completely random. Has anyone else with an AMD GPU who has been testing SEUS PTGI out experienced this?

And of course, I've been finalizing the main new feature for E9, which is ray tracing that considers uniquely shaped blocks. Right now I've got all stair variants, all fence variants, all slab variants, and all door variants working, and I've got them working with reflection tracing as well as diffuse lighting tracing.

 However, since I'm not using geometry shaders anymore, voxelization is a little more difficult to keep robust, so it's more sensitive to breaking when custom block models are used. I definitely don't like this limitation. I'll be working on seeing if I can get voxelization to be more robust to custom block models. 

So, because E9 will use the new "instancing" feature of OptiFine instead of geometry shaders, it will only be compatible with Minecraft 1.14.4 until this feature is added to OptiFine for previous versions of Minecraft. Compatibility with 1.13 and 1.12 will come when this happens.

This update has turned out to be a really complicated one, thanks for hanging in there!

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Robert Curtin

So is the new Optifine version out? I looked the other day and couldn’t find it.

Clayton

Keep up the great work!

ichimo

Glad I dropped AMD cards awhile ago, they're cheaper but I kept running into issues with performance in a lot of games.

sonicether

Yep, it just came out two days ago :)

Robert Curtin

Thank you for letting me know! Stoked to try the new shader!

Jorge López

Have you tried with the latest OptiFine? It now supports AMD for SEUS

Devlin Snee

Hey just curious, are you using a texture along with your shaders in the pic above

Drew9140

Keep up the great work

renã

YEEEY. It's nice to see you bought the same amd card then me, that way I know It will work fine on mine. I waited a long time for this :D

Jadyn

epic

Gravestone

5700xt here, despite a couple of broken "features" of the shader on PTGI 8, Can't wait for version 9!

Alex2216

I know that you are doing a big work here with this new type of shader, but when do you think you've finished all the work? So that you can also release the free version

Chahzou

Glad you're working on AMD support even though I have an Nvidia card, it'll be worth it.

Cyphall

E9 will supports AMD, not E8

EmeraldCrafts

When he releases it. It's not done yet lol

basel

Sadly i cant lanuch your shader if i buy it FUCK WHY I HAVENT MONEY

Ultimate Immersion

If you bring accurate tracing to custom models I seriously have no words...

eliteSCHW31N

Hey, I have an rx580 and it doesn't crash, the fps is okay, like 32 fps higher settings, but it is kinda glitched

Mark Ruadap

Im Very excited for the next update, ive wanted to play minecraft with these shaders but its so laggy with the rx 580

manuel

yeah where is the download?

Tim Schütz

i have no access to the website which supposedly has the download-links to the older shaders. how do i get there?

Matthew

This is dev news not release

JackMan111

When do you think this will come out?

KGB_Thanatos

I did, finally, get E8 running on my RX-570. My only issue is missing water and glass textures. When I load into a map, it comes up with 2 errors. [Shaders] Error: Invalid Program "composite", and, [Shaders] Error: Invalid Program "composite4"

KGB_Thanatos

I just noticed, it also pops up an OpenGL error: 1282(Invalid operation)

myfishdrowned

Hey Bro im not sure if this is the right place to post it but when i visit the http://sonicether.com website it askes for my username and paaword i have seen someojne with this problem on reddit here is there post Hi there, I’ve been trying to install SEUS for Minecraft 1.14.4, but when I go to Sonic Ether’s site to download it, I’m met with a sign-in popup. How do I access Sonic Ether’s site?

Tamlyn Robertson

Hi, I have the same problem as the guy above and I just signed up. Please help! : )

Will

So is the developer of optifine planning on grandfathering these features for past version? Just because there arent any decent modpacks for the newer versions of minecraft.

NMLWright

Is this possible to port back to 1.8.9? I frequently use 1.8.9 for creative builds.

elfishz

Can you ask the Optifine creater to optimize older version of minecraft like 1.12.2 since that is the new modding standard? I am getting an AMD GPU soon and don't want bad framerates. BTW PTGI 5, 6, and 7 don't work on 1.7.10 or 1.6.4

myfishdrowned

Hey Bro im not sure if this is the right place to post it but when i visit the http://sonicether.com website it askes for my username and paaword i have seen someojne with this problem on reddit here is there post Hi there, I’ve been trying to install SEUS for Minecraft 1.14.4, but when I go to Sonic Ether’s site to download it, I’m met with a sign-in popup. How do I access Sonic Ether’s site?

Chahzou

Maybe if you decrease the render resolution to 0.7 or 0.5 in the shader settings and tweak some other things. Technically I think it should be compatible once AMD is supported.

MrKashew

will slime transparency / waving plants be resolved (I know they're trifles compared to the big things you are working on)

Juli Flø

why do i need to log in to access your website?

Harrods

hopefully this gets released soon, I recently bought an rx 590 and can't even use seus renewed without it crashing.

myfishdrowned

Hey Bro im not sure if this is the right place to post it but when i visit the http://sonicether.com website it askes for my username and paaword i have seen someojne with this problem on reddit here is there post Hi there, I’ve been trying to install SEUS for Minecraft 1.14.4, but when I go to Sonic Ether’s site to download it, I’m met with a sign-in popup. How do I access Sonic Ether’s site?

Matthew

They aren’t meant to

NMLWright

I noticed in E8 when it rains, the ground gets wet indoors even when the block is under another block or otherwise indoors.

jerryisasian

You have to pay dumb fuck. Read the damn patron page

FlashTutorDE

same problem but he dont answere here?! Thats stinky we are supporting him and he dont answere here

chiz8

what version of optifine works best with this shader pack

basel

Hi

Freud

When is e9 releasing. Cant support after this month

Eli Grimes

I have GTX 1060 OC, will this work with a non-RTX card?

J Villeneuve

Yeah, the whole concept of SEUS PTGI is that it doesn't need the chip on the RTX cards. Everything besides water runs great on my GTX 970

NMLWright

I have the same problem.

Eli Grimes

I've become a patron how do I download the shader?

Tobias Andreas Voß

wie kommt man an diese shader ran ? kann die nirgendwo downloaden BITTE UM HILFE

mechaniking

note to dumb people: scroll down for download E8

St4wk

Jo, du kannst die Shader hier auf der Seite downloaden (die PTGI Shader zumindest), die anderen auf der SEUS-Seite. Wichtig ist aber auch zum downloaden, dass du Gold Tier hast (-> 10$). Um sie hier von der Seite zu downloaden, musst du auf den entsprechenden Post gehen, am Ende des Posts (ganz unten) ist dann die Datei als .zip angehängt. Aktuell ist der PTGI E8 die neueste Version. Als Tipp nebenbei, die entsprechenden Posts mit den Download sind mit "[Download]" gekennzeichnet.

St4wk

Mit der SEUS-Seite meinte ich die normale, öffentliche Seite. Dort gibt es aktuell schätze ich Probleme. Du kannst die PTGI Shader aber nur über die Patreon-Seite bekommen. https://www.patreon.com/posts/download-seus-e8-28168773 Bei diesem Post ganz nach unten scrollen und dort die .zip downloaden, sollte kein Problem sein.

Tobias Andreas Voß

Erstmal danke für die Hilfe bisher ... ich hab ne rtx 2080 aber bis auf das Wasser sieht allez ganz normal aus und alle Blöcke leuchten so komisch auf rot blau grün wie ne indirekte beleuchtung mach ich da was falsch oder brauch ich noch nen extra Programm bin nen Frischling in sowas sorry für die vielen eventuell dummen fragen

Hawkings tg1

Thoughts on the RTX-minecraft announcement that nvidia just put on their youtube?

Stas

Where is link to this shaders?

Cyro

Bedrock is nothing but a pale imitation of Java with worse mod support and microtransactions. No thank you.

SD

I have a RX 580 and if I try to load a world or change dimensions while in fullscreen the game freezes. Forgetting to exit full screen when going through a portal is a pain.

Paul Binder

Is there any possibility or will there come a future support of 1.12.2 to amd gpus

CTGamer505

What editions of Minecraft do these shaders work on? Do they work on windows 10? Because that is the main one I use. Thanks

m

Which resource pack is this in the screenshot?

Eric Alvarado

Which resource pack(s) can i use in 1.8? My friends are playing on a multiplayer server that uses 1.8 minecraft

Christopher

could be umsoea or ultimate immersion's textures not sure tho

Farid Rahimi

@Sonic Ether once you've streamlined the amd experience, do you intend on adding animations to the grass/trees etc like your vanilla version? i really love the vanilla version but want ray tracing on it too. Also I've noticed that unlike the your vanilla version you can't see the sky while under water.

Maple

Once you have all the bugs kinked out with E10, what's next? How much more tech needs to be put in until the project hits beta?

Erick

I have an rx 580 and when loading a world my mine craft crashes. The last thing in the log is "...[Shaders] : Reset model renderer. " and "... [Shaders] : Reset world renderer.". I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the crash but that's where it freezes. No errors anywhere though.

wiisports

hey um what is the least laggy version. thanks.

Jakub Vymětal

could emisive maps be enabled, have textures that make redstone, rails and other stuf "glow"(not light emiting, just ignore the sorounding light) when powered. And with the E8 that i tried they did not work properly and dident light up in the dark.

julian

I don't have the download link

Geniis

Can someone send me the system specs for having this shader before installing?

Miguel

umm my end rods will emit light in hand put not when placed:/

aCTZGaming

will this run well with a gtx 1070 ? and how much does this cost ?

aCTZGaming

i ried to use the shaderpack that ws used with he ray tracing and i got a black void vision i couldn't see my specs: Nvidia GEFORCE GTX 1070 FTW EVGA 16gb ram core i5 8600 CPU @ 3.10 Ghz 1TB Hard drive

aCTZGaming

thats a bug Miguel its just a Glitch :)

aCTZGaming

hopefully it will be fixed later on hough

Miguel Medrano

Does anyone happen to know what texture pack is that in the picture?

Bastian Hjelm Kaplan

i have a problem with the texture pack. When i load in a world, my whole screen is covered by weird colors and the different blocks in Minecraft for some reason. I don't know how to get it away

Thomas_FS

Hello, i'm very poor, i selled my son for pack of rice. Can you please send me these for free? i don't understand dollars, i just wanna play minecraft all my life, my family already hates me for selling my son. please, thank you.

Subx

hi

Matthew

They will be

Tusing122

this shaderpack isn't free?!

Tusing122

ill just head to sildurs at least his is free,there are a lot of free shaders there!

Wafi

This Shader That Sonic Ether Made takes a Lot of hard work to make and takes a lot of time to make it this good. That is why You should support him to encourage him by becoming a patron.

Morgan

This shader pack shown here is basically real-time ray tracing and isn't ready for pubilc release. Thus he is funding the development through the gold tier.

FryToastFrill

dont use renewed, it has a massive bug that makes leaves, water, and sand shake uncontrollably after about 3-5 minutes.

Chicken Man

sonic ether can you make the price more reasonable it seems weird to pay a monthly bill

mott

you don't need to pay a monthly bill, you can buy the patreon, download the shader and then unsubscribe from it before the next billing cycle. I don't do that because I like to support him and his awesome work, but if you're just here for the shader and nothing else, by all means do that.

Chicken Man

thanks for the info it is greatly appreciated

Lalo

Plase can you add volumetric fog and dof option?? Thank you.

Hunger_Legend

J'a iune rx 580 nitro+, j'aimerais avoir le seus ptgi mais quelle abonnement je dois prendre ???

Bob

Why does ptgi e9 look better than ptgi e11?

Eymard

when will the windows 10 rtx come out?

latest Movies

thanks for sharing the link i got it for free