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I guess I need to at least share a bit more information about this project. I'm just so busy with everything, it's kind of overwhelming.

My Wife's Moans Behind That Door (name subject to change) is the Netorase story I've been working on for a while now. It's the next main project. I've mentioned it before, but I'm not a Netorase writer nor am I a Netorase enjoyer. But it was in my plans to eventually write one. Do temper your expectations though. I have no idea what I am doing… as always really.

Here's the synopsis:

After ten years of married life, as the couple moves to their new house, planning to build a family, Oliver suddenly loses the ability to perform in the bedroom. Emma tries her best to understand what's going on, pushing for couple therapy, not wanting to give up on her dream of having children, but she's met with a lot more resistance from her significant other than she anticipated. What is he hiding from her? She would do anything to please him… or would she?

I just came up with the synopsis, so sorry if it sounds like ass.

Now people asked over and over again whether this is going to have a NTR ending or not. My answer is the same each time: I don't know. I'm a bit torn. If I give it a NTR ending, the NTS fans will say I haven't written a "True" NTS. If I don't write a NTR ending, my NTR fans (which is most of my fans) will be disappointed.

Right now, I'm writing this story as I would any others. I haven't made up my mind yet. So it might or might not end in NTR. Who knows? What you gonna do about it? That's what I thought…

Which brings me to the other decision that might anger a few people. I had already mentioned that this would have two completely separated perspective. So Emma and Oliver will see the same events from their point of view, like I handled The Edge Of.

And like I handled The Edge Of… my first plan was to develop Oliver's perspective first. Which would mean seeing the mystery perspective before seeing anything from Emma's side. I've been debating a lot for the past couple of months. I'm still a bit on the fence. Mainly because I write both perspectives at the same time. I might not be able to keep up developing only Oliver's side. If it goes the pace of a Main Project (which it should) we will reach where I am currently in the story in 5 months. If we were to do both perspective at the same time, it would be 10 months, which would give me more time to breathe.

I don't know. I want to do Oliver first. That's what I want. But it might not be feasible. And as always my decision is never what would sell more. I'm a retard when it comes to attracting new customers. I know most people want to see what Emma does. I just… think a NTS gain from being forced down the path of powerlessness/less information first. Do scream at me, maybe that will change my mind.

Since this project will be drawn by my He Maid Her Fall artist, the first update if everything were to go as planned, would come out in late December. But no promise at all. That would mean completing HMHF in November, and being able to have enough CGs to portray the first update in its entirety.

I'm still hard at work, a bit sick. The Edge Of – Definitive Edition comes out in 4 days on Steam. The next update of HMHF should be later in the month. No promise as to when.

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八卦

可以问一下,hmhf是哪个画师的作品?可以告诉我们一下pixiv的账号吗

Near River

I’m glad you’re trying a NTS project, as much as I love a good NTR project something new like a NTS will shake up the formula

Hydron

Awesome! I would highly recommend not categorizing endings into “NTR” and “NTS”. In the sense, it’s always better to focus on the story first and find the best conclusions you can find based on the characters and plot, regardless of what is the trope

Alienwaredell

I'm not fan of playing just 1 route per playtrough its hard to remember what happen. Just do it like HMHF or APBLU you can play both perspectives

Rainne

Loving this artist, my opinion focus on one view is better, happy to see more hidden sexual scenes

Hydron

I also agree with your decision to do Oliver’s pov first. I think it especially works well with an NTS plot - and you might be able to get more done faster first. For those following along, they’d experience the recommended path as well

Kama Mara

Personally I don’t think you should call it a NTS game if you eventually turn into NTR. Unless you make multiple routes like other NTS games. And if most of your fans are getting mad if there’s no NTR in a NTS game is pretty silly imo lol. I’m a fan of both so I’ll probably enjoy it whether you do NTR or NTS 👍.

HEY HEY

I’ll be honest, as a NTS enjoyer, you wrote out a very good synopsis. You established the relationship, set up the conflict, and even made the reason for NTS reasonable. It’s a solid foundation and I give you two thumbs up. I will say I’m perfectly fine with an NTR ending because that is your specialty and I wouldn’t want to ask you to sacrifice your favorite genre. A true NTS is hard to do, especially for someone who doesn’t usually write them.

GuiltyKing

Indeed doing cuck pov first is way better but if you do this I'd have the artist draw some of the Emma scenes ahead of time as well to take advantage of the low art density that cuck pov usually have...or don't and give us tons of cuck pov shots and mystery CG 😉

Gordov

Personally I don't like only one side if you are doing the other afterwards. After the game "end" I don't care about the other view anymore. If you want to show both views it should be at the same time. If you show one till the end the game should end without any other view.

Kudoko

Completely gave up on even the prospect of having multiple routes? That way you can please both NTR and NTS fans? I don't know why you're allergic to choices in your game, APBLU OG was such a masterpiece also due to choices and its many routes throughout the game. Also I wanna ask ... are both this and Entropy considered main projects in equal measure? Not one is more important than the other nor one is destined to become a side project later down the line?

Ragnarok

Personally, I think The Edge Of is probably your best, most impactful work, so running it like that seems fine to me. I also don’t see why we can’t have both- one major fork in the story to create a NTR or NTS ending seems worthwhile so everyone, including you, can be happy.

Gordov

The Edge Of was the one I stopped playing because the beginning was super boring haha HMHF was so much better that I never touched and will touch the Edge Of ever again 😂😬

wqeqwe

Always do the woman's perspective, never once touched the cuck perspective ngl

GuyThis_Generations

Unless it is NTR play NTS wouldn't there be a lack of mystery anyhow? Shouldn't Emma be keeping Oliver in the loop?

Komdot

Cuck pov first is the better option, also that's whats rocks

Jorge

What’s nts?

ameng

Just please don't let it turn out like HMHF. The story was so bad that I genuinely couldn't keep playing. I really hope you put more buildup into the new project — in HMHF, the female lead fell way too quickly, which felt pretty cliché. That said, I'm open to all kinds of stuff — NTR, NTS, NTL, pure love, you name it. Trying too hard to cater to the fanbase might actually make you lose what makes your work unique. Of course, it's totally fine to listen to suggestions, but just my two cents. Honestly, my summary of your games is: painful to play through, but the CGs are absolutely top-tier. Hope that doesn't sting too much lol. And most importantly — take care of your health 😷 That's seriously the most important thing.

NeoTrivia

Love a good mystery perspective

Prince2x

You can do it update by update if u want, meaning the first update is Oliver’s perspective, second update is Emma’s, and so on

Gordov

I loved HMHF. It's my favorite. Worst for me was the edge of. Stopped playing it after boring beginning.

Pony Boy

Consensual “cheating”. It’s not really cheating since you’re willing to let your wife sleep with others to gain pleasure.

Pony Boy

As a big NTS fan, I am fine with you either making an NTS or NTR novel but you need to make up your mind on which one you want to do. You can’t just label this an NTS and then pivot towards NTR because you’d be screwing over your audience in the process. Very rarely have novels successfully transitioned from opposing genres, a big example is Vinland saga. Don’t sit on the fence, make up your mind whilst finishing up HMHF or you can make two routes. Two routes would put more of a toll on you though since you’d be making double the content.

Monkey D. Zoro

Why not both nts and ntr I am an nts fan

Jorge

Gotcha. Thanks for the info.

xzhhhhh

I think it's possible to have NTR and NTS coexist, which can not only attract new types of fans, but also satisfy most of your audience's NTR fans. If the story could be like HMHF, but the woman wouldn't fall so fast, that would be great Always support u

dvv 的

Why can’t there be both NTR and NTS endings? That way, both sides could be satisfied to some extent. If it has to be just one, I’d prefer the heroine to end up corrupted—that’s your specialty, after all. Honestly, an NTS scenario with a "good" ending would be quite boring.

Kudoko

Well don't speak for others. To me edge of is his worst H-game. The split POV gimmick sucks imo for starters, it's his most unpolished boring work and that remake changed nothing.

Ragnarok

Yikes guys. Harsh words. It’s not like I don’t have any gripes about these games either, but that sort of comment makes me wonder why you’re here. You need be respectful and productive if you want to see your feedback taken into consideration. But before you do, you really have to consider whether you not liking something is your preference not being met or a significant failure. Saying it was super boring or it’s his worst doesn’t mean shit when someone else like me praises it. Here’s an example of useful feedback. I recently finished APBLU Aya a bit ago, and while it was overall great, I found it difficult to, err, finish, before a scene was over. Then there was usually a very long set of dialog to get through before the next one. It made it frustrating at times and I ended up skipping dialog after a certain point because I didn’t have all day to edge myself. I think that the best way to fix this is to extend the sex scenes that are typically 1 or 2 CGs/animations. Maybe trimming some of the writing back in the latter stages of games when the action picks up, or allowing it to vary more might work as well. But I waited until it was finished to play through, and that experience is way different than a supporter playing a new release every month with a new slice of content. With that constraint, padding the words and trimming the scene length to get enough out each month to be worthwhile makes sense. As such, I do think that definitive editions should be an opportunity to play editor and fix these pacing issues to make the game more fappable, since that’s the real goal here. Excited to see how the definitive edition of The Edge Of plays!

Gordov

I see no problem with that. He has a lot of games. And if one of them is bad I can say it. I still like the other ones. But The Edge Of was just bad, why should I not say it? It doesn't mean the other games are bad too. HMHF for example I love it. It's 1000x better than TheEdgeOf. Yous aid you liked it and I said it was his worst work. No problem with that. The whole approach how The Edge Of was done was not good and should not be an example for other games in my opinion. But tbh if he decides to do only Oliver first and the other view after the game is finished the new game has a high chance of beeing worse than The Edge Of. :D

HangoverCat

The story is already half written. The perspective are fully separated. The only question is whether I develop both at the same time, or one after the other.

HangoverCat

Thanks. I'm not sure about multiple endings. And even if I do multiple ending, I'm not sure about making everyone happy. This is not the goal. The goal is to give the best experience possible.

Ragnarok

Well, as you can see from the other replies to my comment, making everyone happy is impossible so I think you have the right mindset there! I do think that releasing alternating perspectives is a far better experience for patrons while it’s developed… 5 months is a long time to be subbed without seeing any action scenes. Maybe there’s a middle ground where it’s a few months of just Oliver’s perspective for the start for the all important NTS intro and then you start alternating perspectives, only leaving the starting bits to go back to at the end as a “reveal” of her initial mindset? I’ll probably hold off on playing it until it’s got to a significant amount of payoff scenes so I don’t mind either way.

HangoverCat

I don't know. I think the best way to experience NTS is through the cuck's eyes at frst. I know it's less popular, but I feel like that shouldn't dictate my decision. I appreciate your thoughts though.

wsl

both side sir please

Gordov

That is sad to hear. If this is your general nts view I will not be able to play any future nts game from you tbh. Even if I want to. Only the cuck view without seeing the other site is pretty boring in my opinion. And after the game is nearly finished the other site doesn't matter anymore. Way to late to show it, Until that point it's not appealing anymore and a new game would be better. Will still support until HMHF is over and after have to wait until the new game is over to come back. Just want you to know, I'm not leaving because its NTS thhat is appreaciated a lot it's only about the only cuck view first, Still wish you good luck.

Pete

still no fan of NTS but lets see what our NTR goat does with it. Good luck HC, rootin for u

Тин

Please make the male protagonist as handsome as Dax😆❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Kudoko

You want a better reasoning of why I think so? Anyway for starters i'm pretty sure he just copypasted the entire script from the original game (the only additional writing is on the end of Wife POV) so if that pacing thing you alluded to applies to edge of too, you will be disappointed. Anyway in this game much of the problem comes when you played all his games and do comparison between them, i don't know if you noticed but all Hself games feel all the same at its core (except Clumsiness ...) the bull feel the same, the pacing feel the same, the corruption progression feel the same and so on. Compared to the rest it has the worst gimmick tbh: husband delusional thinks wife is cheating, hires a detective to spy on her but said detective was the guy who he bullied on highschool which take this chance to revenge on him by stealing her wife. I mean just telling a recap of this plot is cringe asf ... Sex scene i also don't consider it as good as his other games (but that is personal preference). This kinda is his blueprint of almost all of his other games which well did improve in some area and had more entertained gimmicks, but they do all overall suffer from being too similar of each other (i repeat except Clumsiness) so I do REALLY hope to see a different "style" of game in these 2 new projects ...

Ragnarok

Those are all fair points. I’ve been around since The Edge Of was originally released and it being my first exposure probably makes me less critical of its flaws than I would be if I started with one of the more recent and polished games. I’m definitely aware that the definitive edition is word for word until the late game- that was always the stated plan for the remaster. I think that’s great because my only major complaint about the original was how abrupt the end was. I remember writing HSelf early on with that feedback- “It was just getting to the payoff!” 🤣 As far as gimmicks, APBLU’s rules system takes the cake by far IMO. Great implementation of power play. The dream would be a game where we could pick the rules and have it be less linear but that’s how you instantly blow up a budget. I would personally love to see some hypnosis/mind control show up instead of the usual blackmail, that would be excellent.

Absurd

Mystery ntr often doesn't fit in with netorase as it usually means both sides know and consent to cheating, i am curious how would you do it, personally though mystery never interested me in ntr games