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S4E43.5: Sorceror (Patreon)

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2026-07-17 11:05:43
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2026-07

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Today we're examining William Friedkin's re-adaptation of the novel on which Wages of Fear (1953) was based. Famously kneecapped in the box office by the release of 'Star Wars', Friedkin long held that if the movie was given it's proper due, it would have been his great breakout hit, and he would find himself amongst titans like James Cameron, Stephen Spielberg. Let's see if we agree.

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CAE

I fear the coming home status has changed for the worse since this was recorded.

Top Shelf Games

If sorcerer has 100 fans I'm one of them If sorcerer has 1 fan it's me If sorcerer has 0 fans it means I exploded in a truck full of nitroglycerine

CAE

We're keeping Miku though, she's in the British museum now and forevermore.

P.A.L.

Well, it's not coming home, but you've still got the "100 Years War Match For 3rd Place" to win.....so best of luck with that.

Felicity Hall

November's use of the term Forsythian raises the big question of who's doing the day of the Jackal? KJB for the espionage vibes or be gay solve crimes for the detective angle?

Crobisaur

This movie was really enjoyable and my brain kept making the joke "what if we gave Frodo a truck?"

NowhereMan661

Man, it's a real shame that the UK government is a terrorist organization that prevents you from supporting people resisting colonization and genocide.

big meg

Watched this with a firefighter trans woman who's only comment on the movie was the movie used the wrong kind of fire hydrant for New Jersey.

Hovis

Very much here for this review of Snowrunner on nightmare difficulty. Especially as I think Snowrunner did just add a tropical map.

NowhereMan661

22:39 to be fair, we Americans are quite stupid and love to eat up propaganda.

Ben Schwabe

I think the English need to ask themselves what they did to it that makes it stay away from home for all these decades. As an American I'm delighted Belgium kicked our ass after Trump's intervention with Johny Baby. We deserved it.

Brendan Hurley

Damn, I am going to pursue to the ends of the earth like a Catholic hitman whichever cohost denied us the WTYP crossover

NowhereMan661

My least favorite genre of movie is American remake that is inferior to the original in every possible way, which completely misses the point and makes a vapid facsimile of the original. Looking at you, "The Ring", "Oldboy", "The Wickerman", and "Death at a Funeral".

Winson Paine

You know the grouching are Americans makes me want the crew to review Team America World Police if only for the chance to redline every aspect of the SCUM. It might be the most punished ep of KJB ever

NowhereMan661

Fuuuuck, you shot me directly in the chest with that ending announcement. You hyped me up, you put me in a white suit, I was celebrating the first ever WTYP/KJB crossover in the bar with a lady on my arm, and you assassinated me like the mob.

John Harwood

Earlly doors I'm now living in hope of a KJB sports movie season

foughtthelaw (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-06 12:00 Calling it now. It was Rocz.
2026-07-17 13:49 Calling it now. It was Rocz. EDIT: I'm an idiot. It was Abby!

Calling it now. It was Rocz. EDIT: I'm an idiot. It was Abby!

Gary Alexander

It would have been very funny to pre-empt a planned episode about Sorcerer with Star Wars.

MatterWiz

technically it is coming home if you remember that spain and argentina are countries where people live

Ed

I liked this movie because I did not see Wages of Fear first, because I'm American. Also I want late 70s Roy Scheider bad. I thought it was really tense, but the idea of the jungle being the enemy does feel very...us. Especially then. You know what movie handled the Vietnam War in a really interesting way? A little film called Star Wars.

Your Hayden

Far too hard on this movie, imo. I’m especially sour on some stuff after 2/3 of the crew’s abject refusal to engage with the Blues Brothers’ love and joy in black culture lol. Scheider’s death in this movie is more engaging because it is pretty much entirely out of his control, almost pre-ordained. He let his guard down for a single moment and got domed the fuck off in the back of the head, and all we could do was watch in horror. Mario’s death is entirely at his own hands and comes from a place of arrogance, maybe an overwhelming and disordered joy due to his trauma, but it’s still one of those scenes where the lead up feels clumsy and overwrought considering the rest of the movie.

Lay-Tex-Lips

I feel like this is another movie that will reinforce my stance of the world needing a Remake Stalin alongside the Climate Stalin

The Mad Scientist's toolkit

Hard to think of an adaptation/remake being the next Star Wars, Star Wars was at least original. It wasn't very original but it was unoriginal in a way that nobody had ever done before.

Hovis

You don't need to do Star Wars. You need to do The Matrix. A movie that is absolutely about 9/11 and not about being trans. And then there's the two other Matrix movies which are about seeing Monica Bellucci and then spending the rest of your life wanting to see more of Monica Bellucci (Brotherhood of the Wolf and Dobermann, just saying). Ahem. Also must confess I feel kind of humbled by the Wages of Fear comparisons. I love this movie because I love watching two knackered trucks hauling stuff through bad terrain. I wasn't aware of just how much the director was leaving on the table out of fear (wages of) of being too clever for his audience. For shame.

hill

I really enjoy the contempt for Americans expressed throughout this episode after having read the comments from Americans who could not accept that Abi kind of disliked Blues Brothers.

BreadLord

Something is coming home, but not it

BreadLord

Can't believe that episode has 200+ comments of basically 'Abi, grrrrr'.

Zipzapzop

Please do uncle boonmee who can recall his past lives

Andrew Dunn

Crossover episode But also KJB needs to do hitman/assassin season

Flintabattey Flonatin

The point about Americans being unable/unwilling to comprehend death and annihilation is something I could scream about for hours, glad to hear others make this observation.

Gil the Gilded Dragon

Frodo; cannot reach the pedals, relies on Sam to push gas or break or clutch to change gears. They run over a Nazgûl, blade still impales Frodo & Horse mangles the break line making the trip into Moria... who knew a Balrog could be fused into a truck?

Kazz

Being named William and having the gang yell about how stupid I am definitely activated something.

Gil the Gilded Dragon

That Thorn thinks there is any daylight between Stilbon walking east & Hermes's festivity is afoot (far too dressed) is a calamitous disgrace. The effects of the rays are the thing & the motions of the sublunar world causes the stars to dance around the bear.

Gil the Gilded Dragon

... there is remarkably little sorcery for a movie called sorcerer. Like the truck isn't even used to give form to a daimon called forth from beyond the Moon. Not even some light necromancy. Like wtf. I expected, at least, some diesel smoke haruspicy

Gil the Gilded Dragon

Also if one is putting in precolumbian imagery then one is beholden to geographic specificity or one falls into some serious racism & disingenuousness as to how empire operates with different locales. Thus one must ask: WHERE IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE Because if it is supposed to be Mexico; no it isn't we had nationalized oil during dub dub dos. But like where else can it be? It is clearly meant to be evoking Mexica skulls & like geography is wrong but also: The REASON Cortez makes any inroads is because the Mexica were a brutal exploitative empire & this pre 1940s oil company & the nation state which backs & the Cathmobolic Church it ARE ALL THE SELFSAME THING. The same flowing with different masks But the geography would be wrong & the politics are wrong so what indigenous people are those meant to be? Are the terrorists the Zapatistas (don't take into account those are more of a 1990s thing)? I mean for one classical Maya, see my comment on the Mexica, but twasnt Cortez but climate change. Or are we in the Andes? Not that many people are doing stone megaliths! The politics change

Gil the Gilded Dragon

Also "indigenous American" is a USA category for the indigenous people of its territory, people whom it seeks to deprive of cultural identity & distinction. It's not unlike "African American", a category which exists as a consequence of the erasure of geographic & cultural specificity imposed on the people raptured and enslaved to the Americas. Thus it is kinda inappropriate to apply it to the people here presented except the movie does negate their specifics & reduce them to symbols. If this all isn't upping the C-score by at least 2 points it is bananas.

Kristaps Porzingis

Delighted to live in the future and thus be able to salve all the anti-american slander (from! the fucking British! of all people!) by imagining how cool they're feeling right now about being beaten by Da Racist Argentine

Witting Seanchai

Hate the fact that other Americans all think they'll never die, absolutely infuriating, they're so misguided. But I really would have avoided the rock though.

BDA

if you think the show needs more Star Wars, the answer is obvious: Attack of the Clones with No Notes

James Rule

Say what you will about the OG Star Wars, but I feel that it somehow trusted the audience more.

Skoloton

The wickerman remake is so specifcally bad im shocked they haven't covered it on the pod to compare Just a movie dripping with misogyny

Winson Paine

Roy Scheider is another reason I want KJB to do All That Jazz, both so they can talk about the most self loathing movie ever made and so Abi can be baffled at who Bob Fosse is

Winson Paine

Americans are ok with being disliked in general in the same way Brits are, it is the specific horror at the sacredness of Blues Brothers that was the blasphemy.

Brian Danger Hicks

[whispering to date while watching Sorcerer when Sorcerer first appears on the screen] That's Sorcerer

Ed

At the VERY LEAST she might recall the Birdcage reference. Every so often she has a cultural blind spot where I'm not going to shame her because not everyone has seen everything and there's joy in showing people cool things they weren't aware of before, but I do listen sometimes and think Abi, take my hand 🫴

Skoloton

Im glad their finally talking about American invincibility film All American media is like this and I think its why all of them are insane

Skoloton

Okay but thats the critique their making, its prodastant work ethic, death as a personal failure. The point of doing a film like this is capital sometimes annilates you through no fault of your own. Having it be because of lapses in judgement is the prodtant work ethic again, the only reason bad things happen is you didnt work hard enough.

Skoloton

The way abi was competely dismissive and refused to enage with the culture of what blues brothers is about was extremely rude however, they really should have had a guest on

Trevor Gilmore

I think all us Americans (including myself) in the Blues Brothers comments may have proved Nova right (T_T)

DocBones

I would argue Sorcerer is at least a little anti-capital. The oil company is depicted as pretty reprehensible. Then working conditions are horrid, they get the cheapest nitroglycerin they can, and don’t care about the dead workers or the safety of the drivers. That said, as a William Friedkin fan, William Friedkin was evil. Like a total piece of shit. And you really don’t want to know his opinions about Birth of a Nation…

John Leavitt

I’m doing that really awful thing where you say something before finishing the episode but the OG Simpsons’ writers were big fans of Sorcerer and included an homage to it in ‘Mister Plow’ and got WF to sit in while storyboarding it or some such

John Leavitt

And of course the uhhhhh Rumors

Donovan Burns

I would have died in the town from both humidity poisoning and treats withdrawal.

Zachary Janow

FUCK! FUUUCK I was so hyped for the wtyp crew to be on this show. For one of the three movies Rocz has seen!

Brian Danger Hicks

Extended "It's coming home" bit followed by extended "Everyone hates Americans because they believe things will happen for them simply because of some intrinsic exceptionalism" bit. WE LEARNED IT FROM YOU, OK? WE LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!

FreeBard42

Ironically, it was probably one of the two Catholics given their standards of PC care.

Jermz

Too be honest I really like blues bros. but I get it. Its an early snl movie. So its like how do we do this sorta thing.(turning our sketch into a movie). The blues brothers does have like a SACRED TEXT vibe, kinda like how goonies was for anyone within the blast radius of pop punk lol.

Winson Paine

I am just glad we can all go back to not giving a shit about soccer now

A.L.

Saying Sorcerer was "the film that's going to put him on the map" is a crazy thing to say, William Friedkin won five Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director for French Connection and then made The Exorcist, which was the fifth most successful movie of all time (it's still in the top 20 today when ajusted for inflation). He had complete creative freedom and used it all for this film.

A.L.

Bruno Cremer was a tremendous actor, he co-stared in The 317th Platoon, one of the very few films about the First Indochina War. That film (like The Battle of Algiers, released the same year) was very influential on war movies all over the world for his quasi-documentary style, it was shot by Raoul Coutard, the DP of the early Godard films and Costa-Gavras' Z (another banger), who was a war photographer during the conflict, and the director, Pierre Schoendoerffer, was an army cameraman who was captured in Điện Biên Phủ.

Kyle Clark

One month till pre-season football! Who's your team?

Harper

How dare you say that about Americans. "Americans are the cheatingest people on the planet." I can't believe my ears. This is the deepest and most profound disrespect... OF AUSTRALIA. WE ARE THE CHEATINGEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET JUST LOOK AT OUR CRICKET TEAM FUCK YOU NOVEMBER TEN THOUSAND YEARS BALLSCRAPING AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE 🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘

Røskva Winther

i went to Cannes Film Festival in 2016 with my film school, and saw Sorcerer at the free beach cinema they had! We were all sat on beach chairs with blankets over us in the sand, watching this movie being projected onto a screen on a barge in the water! It was really cool

Foxing around.

When it comes to weird movies about the American saying nah I'd win. Y'all have gotta do Stargate at some point.

Tàirneanaich

C‘mon mate. The rest of us JUST finally got the English to stop blathering on about that One Time bullshit. It was nearly a decade ago and it wasn‘t even against England.

Ineloquent Reverie

I’m gonna burst a blood vessel at this review aren’t I

Ineloquent Reverie

Yep, she called To Live And Die In LA an evil film. Turning the review off immediately

Ineloquent Reverie

She disliked it in an explicitly ignorant manner, don’t take the fucking bullet for her on this

Harper

Coward. Take pride in our country's greatness. The most fun wrestler is always the heel. "It was just one time" We should do it more.

Lucie Rose

American November? Damn, call that a *fall* from grace, amirite fellas? 😂🔫

Lucie Rose

i can't believe that Activate Windows lost their local recording

Felixir of Life

Fun fact about the bridge scenes, is that this whole production was kind of cursed, they spent a million dollars building this bridge and reinforcing it with hidden steel cables, thy built it at what they considered "the perfect river" in the Dominican Republic. It was 200ft long to cross the river and by the time they finished building the bridge IT HAD NOT RAINED FOR TWO WEEKS, so the river looked like SHIT and they had to MOVE THEIR MILLION DOLLAR BRIDGE to Mexico. Crazy

Blikbonen

Tout le monde devenez plus français MAINTENANT !

It’s a Lads, Lads, Lads Cast World (British)

I’m surprised that you’re the only one who has said this. Perhaps everyone else is just being polite. I totally forgive whomever did it, but it was surely Rocz.

foughtthelaw

I could see Nova too, but I'm confident Rocz is the safer bet. I'm just thinking back to every WTYP where Liam is quietly seething at one of the 2 of them for ignoring some technical advice he's given more than once. That said, it's long odds but it'd be hilarious if it was Liam. The roasting to follow would be brutal.

Rory Thomas

We did beat the french, but not in the desired circumstances

Meekle Tubas

Well. At time of me listening, England did just beat France in a World Cup game. I just think perhaps not in the way that they were talking about! I don’t know that Burnam will feel the need to mention it when he speaks to Macron.

Erin Roane

lol wut? Are we all immortal over here or something?

DocBones

This is a critique of a critique, but to me, it seems a double standard to complain that the film lacks subtlety, and then to complain it doesn’t show the death of Scheider’s character on screen. Saying it was only kept offscreen so that American viewers would be able to think "That would never happen to me!" feels a bit of a false equivalence. The rest of the critiques about the film being dumber and louder are fair, as well as the characters lacking depth, but this particular critique is not. It’s saying it’s too subtle for the audience to get it, when the general critique until this point is that it’s not subtle enough.

DocBones

George Lucas actually asked William Friedkin to direct A New Hope, and Friedkin said he thought it looked like shit and he was gonna do his masterpiece Sorcerer instead. He aslo watched a test screening of Star Wars and told Lucas it would definitely bomb.

Clark Westfield

As an American I feel like participating in the world cup at all after pretending it didn't exist for decades is basically already an L no matter how the team does.

Karen Hainstock

Not immortal, but I think a lot of Americans lack the understanding that bad things are capable of happening to you. It's tied to American exceptionalism, I think, a real "those things don't happen in real life/here/to me". Meanwhile, folks who grow up in places that have been warzones in recent memory, or have had openly fascist governments actively destroy their countries, or have experienced atrocities just look at the horrors and nod.

Erin Roane

Could y'all ease up on the anti-american sentiment? It's all in good fun but we're contractually obligated to be annoyingly patriotic when a non-American talks shit and my arm is starting to hurt from the eagle landing on it majestically. Jokes partially aside, do y'all need a consultant on American culture? I can't speak for the public at large but whenever a 'this is what Americans actually believe' tangent comes up I know more than a few of us are left puzzled. It's as if I was on a podcast and mentioned o wouldn't ever want to go to England because I don't want to learn all the silly walks or would be exhausted from the constant running back and forth while Yakkety Sax plays.

arbitrary-fascinations

Sorry to hear y'all lack the drive to defeat death. Couldn't be me. Built different

AbsolxGuardian

The "time annals" George Lucas had access to were Newt Gingrich's "promise to America" speech. He wrote the trade federation aspect of tpm in an angry haze after hearing that speech, and that's why the head of the trade federation is named Newt Gunray (Ronald Reagan + Newt Gingrich)

Kristo Miller

They're so professional. I'm truly shocked they would have a technical slip up. XD

Andrew Dunn

Just rewatched Grosse Pointe Blank and holy Christ do they need to do this movie. It's like the thesis statement of KJB, is about dehumanization through masculine violence, talks about labor organizing, has a non derogatory transmasc joke

Dreebus

Two weeks late but obviously it was Rocz. If it was Liam I would know because I would’ve already been laughing uncontrollably and inexplicably since the moment it happened and only now finding out why.

P. j.

I'd settle for an "I'm your girlfriend" ⌚ 😅 If you find the secret Isle of Gay/Queer Femmes Looking To Become Wives though, please send location immediately 🙏 😅

Therapist on Vacation :)

Just wanted to say it's great that yall are willing to talk about being in therapy, you don't know how much good that can do to help others take that step towards helpin themselves! One of my favorite things about yall is that you're all very emotionally intelligent, we need more voices like yalls in the world!

A Tedious Returning

I actually love paying money for 1hr+ hatchet job on one of my favourite movies

Robert Jacobsen

i haven't listened to the episode and probably won't get around to it but isn't sorceror the least 'death as personal failure' a film has ever been. it's a movie about how all these guys are destined to die. their reward for escaping death in their past lives is an insane Sisyphean journey where it doesn't even matter that they, say, survive crossing the bridge because death's always waiting around the next corner. like how do you get "they didn't work hard enough" out of the tire blowing out for example.

Lloyd Thabartender

For real? Them arguing back and forth about the Blues Brothers is what made that episode great.