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Classic Who "Logopolis" Parts 3&4 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

Well, you must have had some suspicion that Four wouldn't be lasting much longer after Power of the Doctor presented Tegan as being associated with Five. To this day, Tom Baker is THE Doctor to the majority of fans, with only Tennant giving him serious competition, and of course part of that is how unusually long his time in the role was, likely forever the longest with how three seasons has become the norm. And they couldn't have come up with a better big final heroic moment for him than defeating the Master with his scarf. This story is a bit notorious for how it glosses over the Master's destruction of so much of the universe (shades of the Flux, until RTD actually started acknowledging how huge the loss was), and some crew members have admitted they panicked a bit upon realizing the show was in no way equipped to properly handle the ramifications of such an impossibly huge amount of destruction, especially while they were also trying to give the most popular Doctor a proper sendoff, so they just rushed past it as fast as they could and hoped people would go along with that. The regeneration itself is pretty weird with the inclusion of the Watcher, something that has only ever been a part of this particular regeneration and for no apparent purpose, but it does let Baker have some great dramatic acting on his way out as Four knows for most of the story that this is it for him. And that shocked, sudden sitting up by Davison is entirely real as he wasn't expecting the shot to begin filming so soon, and everyone agreed it perfectly fit the Doctor's emotion at having just regenerated. You'll also notice he has his natural brown hair in this scene, which was quickly dyed blonde so he'd look more different from Baker (just like Jodie Whittaker!), and luckily his appearance here is so brief that it's barely noticeable.

Owen Wildish

I may suggest, perhaps after your two-week break before jumping into the 5h Doctor's era, and to finish off the 4th Doctor/Tom Baker era, you should react to K--9 & Campany.

Thomas Corp

Well, that’s convenient, having this be the final Classic Who reaction prior to your break on youtube. This whole reaction was great. I liked you expressing Tegan’s thought process of, “I just want to go home.” Likewise, I enjoyed your observation of Tegan should not wear the bangle (or was it a bracelet of death?), fond of a good bangle though you are. Plus, her impressive skill in booking it in those heels, which you commented on. Then there was when you noted about the Master hiding in plain sight whilst maniacally chuckling to himself, I do it all the time myself, so I appreciate how you derived amusement from the Master frequently having a diabolical titter to himself. I don’t disagree with your assertions that our dear old Master should be supervised at all times. Then of course, there’s your delightful dance along to the fun music. Now to the main event: the regeneration of Four who is still to this day the longest running Doctor. I appreciated that you remained unaware when this was coming, though like you noted, you had the inkling, aided by Tegan arriving, given her scene with Five that you saw. I was perpetually curious what reaction you would have to Four’s regeneration. I am pleased, Jess, by your reaction. I thought it was lovely. It’s interesting in that given Four’s reputation, his regeneration is relatively subdued and brief, though there is that lovely touch with the companions. I adored all your post-reaction comments for the final Fourth Doctor story. And as you note, Four is nearly universally regarded as THE Doctor by the fandom, largely matched only by Ten as I see Ryan mentions. Which is where your reactions are so fantastic, as your preferences tend to be somewhat against what is traditional, same as mine. Because when it comes to the subject of your Doctor, you are firmly cemented on Eleven, your Honey, as your Doctor, and your stance on that is intractable and adamantine. And, when it comes to the subject of my Doctor, that would be Twelve, followed closely by Eleven, leading to the marvelous time way back when sharing the Moffat era with you. The reactions to the regenerations of the aforementioned Moffat era Doctors still remain two of the greatest reactions you’ve ever had, Jess. Comparatively, as you noted, this reaction was not tremendously emotional, though still excellent. And that’s ok, like you said, with Doctor Who, there is something for everyone. Everyone has their Doctor. Even if it takes time for people to discover theirs, when it happens, well, it’s a wonderful thing. You inquired about companion dynamics with Four. Hard to top Four and Sarah Jane. Godspeed on writing the review of Tom’s run as Four. And however long that will take, no problem. Thank you so much for this lovely Classic Who reaction, Jess.

Thomas Corp
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Tis indeed a nice touch, Four defeating the Master with his scarf. As to this story glossing over the destruction, well, it shows the flux wasn’t the first time such a thing happened, though like you note, they are addressing the flux some. It took a while for me in terms of figuring out who my Doctor was. I know almost everyone always says Four and/or Ten, and though I got why, they just didn’t click for me on that same level as everyone else. One’s my favorite Classic Doctor, and he ended up tied with Eleven, with the War Doctor leaping up to third favorite. Upon Eleven’s regeneration, he nudged just above One, yet I still felt like I was missing the feeling that people expressed when they talk about their Doctor, much though I adored Eleven, One, and War. Then when Peter Capaldi came on, I was excited as I loved his work before Doctor Who. And it is insane how before Deep Breath had even finished, he became my Doctor. I still can’t properly articulate fully how it happened. Like Jess said, everyone can find their Doctor in this show, and it’s great.

Ryan
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Apparently Baker really hated the regeneration scene, in particular that his last appearance would be lying on the ground filmed from a high angle, though he's lightened up on it a bit in more recent years. It also makes the cliffhanger of him falling off the plank in The Pirate Planet a bit harder to watch.

Andrew Vignaux

"I'm an ignorant old Doctor and I've made a mistake.", The Doctor, "Logopolis" I like this story - not the getting rid of Tom part. Chris "H" (don't forget the H) Bidmead was the writer and also the story editor for this one and there is a bunch of accurate technical terminology (e.g. the mention of bubble memory) in this story and that's quite nice for this science-geek viewer. But what a body count! Many directly by the Master but we can just imagine all the people involved when the black entropy field sweeps over and blanks out parts of the Universe - poor Nyssa, poor Tegan. I really like the character of the Monitor in this story. His whole world and plan and the whole Universe is breaking down and he stays really stoic and keeps trying to help out. "I envy you your TARDIS, Master.", "Excellant, Doctor. Envy is the beginning of all true greatness.", The Doctor and the Master, "Logopolis" So nice to see the callback to the 4th Doctor's companions in the regeneration scene. In "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot", Moffatt was haunted by various classic companions - a callback to these visions. Now, the big lever with the red bulb on the TARDIS console. This frequently gets used to open and close the TARDIS doors but in this story it activates the TARDIS flight mode. I am reminded of "An Adventure in Space and Time" where the "William Hartnell" character says that the show should be seen to be consistent in the use of the controls or the kiddies would notice. I noticed! We've obviously seen Peter in some New Who era stories, but he really does look so young when he pops up. There's a nice (short) video of David Tennant reacting to the behind-the-scenes footage of this 4/5 regeneration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFXhXt3TaDY "He was the Doctor all the time.", Nyssa, "Logopolis" Thanks for your wonderful post-episode thoughts.