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The Acolyte 1x02 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Thomas Corp

It is great to hear that these first two episodes have you so intrigued, Jess. Assessing the first two episodes, it seems to have a tone reminiscent of The Name of the Rose. Slight shades of something like The Boston Strangler. Slight shades of something like Se7en. All of that I am here for. I take your point of it is still difficult to fully ascertain feelings on the characters given we are still unfolding the story. The bits and pieces of information thus far imply that there was some sort of war crime that the Jedi committed that was then buried in the public record. It would not be the first. Certainly, this Jedi Master Torbin, who yes, along with Philip Seymour Hoffman as Owen Davian in the third Mission Impossible movie, pure examples of unbothered, seems to hold immense guilt that he willingly drank the poison. So, whatever it is, it weighs on the Jedi. Again, there is a shared curiosity of the full backstory, which, I presume, will be a steadily unraveling mystery throughout the season. I like the tension of the chase for Mae. With Mae, I’m getting similar vibes to the Third Sister, albeit with a better presentation, or at least a more nuanced presentation with the writing. In that, we’re getting more of an idea that there is some sympathetic reason for her actions, thus putting her in a nice middle ground of you’re not condoning her actions, yet you are curious as to where she’s coming from. Had a slight chuckle at Mae being irked over hearing that line about peace and the falsity that it is. Peace IS a lie. There is, after all, only passion. You and I were on the same page on the plan with the apothecary. The plan wasn’t a bad one, though I too noted that it would assume that the apothecary wouldn’t immediately see through the ruse, to say nothing of how you noted, I said much the same of what exactly was Osha supposed to say to convince said apothecary to buy the act. They do at least get confirmation that Mae is who they’re after. Two big highlights of the episode are Sol’s scenes with the sisters. The first being his talk with Osha. Sol says that Osha is not seeking justice by wishing to confront Mae, she is seeking revenge, to which I said, “Maybe. “Revenge is the foundation of justice. Justice began with revenge, and revenge is still the only justice some beings can ever hope for.” Is it not?” The second great moment that he had was his confrontation with Mae. Shared appreciation of the fight choreography. I am loving this focus on the pacifistic nature of the Jedi only using defense in combat, and only drawing their blade when left with no alternative except to end things a somewhat permanent manner. Loved your observation of Mae pulling the SHEE-AH KAZING magician puff of smoke trick thus allowing her to take a powder. One thing that I’m noticing is the show is taking a somewhat critical eye on the Jedi Order and its teachings. I’m INSANELY onboard with that. One area that got brought up last episode was Osha defending her present occupation, which makes sense as being raised in the Jedi Order since one’s infancy and then going out in the real world would be the equivalent of trying to get a decent job in the world whilst not having a particularly useful college degree. In the job market, most Jedi skill sets would be perhaps the most useful in the blue-collar market, and one does need to provide the bread. Then there’s the signs that even a century prior to their fall, the Jedi were very intrinsically tied to the political system, as shown by Sol arguing that they know that Mae is seeking the Wookie Jedi, but the Jedi Council needs to have meaningful discussions. And let me guess, this means that the Jedi can’t so much as lift a finger to action without these meaningful discussions, and even then still cannot act without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, queried, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. Good to know. I’ve been enjoying the he score by Michael Abels; it is thus far quite good. I was unfamiliar with the name and looked up his work and I see he’s scored all of Peele’s films, which the music for those films was great, so that bodes well for this show and the continuation of John’s majestic tapestry. So, the two episodes in, I’m having a favorable first impression, I’m gladdened to see that you are most taken with what we’ve seen thus far, Jess, and I’m anticipating the weeks to come, sharing more of this show with you. Thank you again for the pleasant evening with the lovely reactions.

Saltire

Hehe Torban with the no-entry sign from Mae at the start, nothing is getting through that force barrier! Looks like he's been looking deep into the force for a long time to be able to levitate and do that. Oh isn't there a slight error when Jecki mentions to Osha about "R2 droids" being astromechs. R2 droids shouldn't be in development yet. Heck Chopper is a C1 droid that R2 units replaced, and I don't think even he would be around at this time (imagine that though seeing a Chopper cameo at this point!!!). Pablo Hidalgo is in charge of the continuity here for the series, and he's usually solid and writes a lot of the background lore for accompanying books. Unless he's now given the go-ahead to push R2 units further back in time. Sol puts down Yord a bit by saying he's thinking negatively about Osha and Mae through fear; but tbh I find that a tad harsh; Yord doesn't say anything untoward and he might not be wrong (in his theory). Sol knows Osha more intimately it seems since he was her master. I think that scene is there to show the difference even between an inexperienced Knight and a seasoned Jedi Master, and that Yord still has much to learn. Heck, Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi of all in my book, and even he wasn't the finished article when he was a Jedi Master on the High Council. Its referenced in the first episode that Osha was 8 when she was admitted to the Jedi Order. And that she left because she couldn't let go of what happened. Remind us of anyone? He was 9 and had similar issues. Now a lot blame the Jedi for what happened to Anakin, and perhaps they couldn't get through to Osha, but the fault is not with the Jedi, its of Osha and Anakin's unwillingness to let go of all that baggage. It seems like Osha's sister, has bent that baggage into something more sinister by seeking revenge for what happened that night. I do like Sol mentioning he wasn't perhaps a very good teacher to help Osha more, and that is a quality that the best Jedi have, humility. He also wants to try to get through to Mae peacefully to try to help her out of going further down this destructive path. I don't think it will work, but he's right to try. Torban readily accepting the poison from Mae, suggests something the Jedi did that night on her planet, was rather iffy, or that they could have done more. Sol says he has made peace with what happened, but obviously Torban didn't. Perhaps he could find no answers through the force and so felt he had to make amends to Mae, and that was the way. Nice fight scene with Sol and Mae, the man's got style! Again no lightsabres either, which is refreshing. Even Yord for once doesn't activate his own sabre. It seems Mae doesn't know what happened to Osha either. Whatever happened that night, its intriguing. Mae comes across as very raw and unrefined in her fighting. She's becoming dangerous, but definitely not on the level of a Sith yet. I think this parallels nicely with Ventress later, in which her own anger fuels her fighting style, but its not until she leaves Dooku, that she comes into her own. I think Osha misses Mae with the stun shot deliberately both times, and judging by the look Sol gives her, he comes to the same conclusion. She is her sister though, its complex. Qimir is more savvy than he's letting on I think. He's playing the fool but looks very dangerous, and judging by how easily he saw Mae coming, there is more far more to him than he appears. In his line of work, he'd need to stay on his toes thats for sure. Haha the wookie Jedi looks a boss "get off my lawn you cheeky sods!". Things are ramping up. Solid start. :)

Ryan
>>140047978

As put in my favorite book The Count of Monte Cristo, “Is it justice you want, or revenge?” “When revenge and justice have the same goal, does it matter?”

Thomas Corp
>>140054639

Not entirely sure about the droid continuity. I suppose if astromechs weren’t around then, we could just easily alter the timeline. I see Sol scolding Yord along the lines of how Qui-Gon advised Obi-Wan in their first scene in a, “Don’t get too hung up on following the code to the letter.” Like Qui-Gon said, “Don’t center on your anxieties, Obi-Wan. Keep your concentration here and now, where it belongs.” and when Obi-Wan points out that Yoda always says to be mindful of the future, Qui-Gon counters, “But not at the expense of the moment. Be mindful of the living Force, young padawan.” Here, it feels like Sol is noting that Yord is thinking too cut and dry on things. And as you note, it shows a good contrast to the still learning Knight compared to the veteran Master. I assume the sisters’ age at the time of Osha’s being recruited to the Order is serving as deliberate parallel to Anakin. The Jedi do have there share of blame for Anakin without being entirely responsible; it’s always the simplistic easy way out with fans. It’s easy to say it’s all the Jedi’s fault. It’s easy to say it’s all the Emperor’s fault. It’s easy to say it’s all Anakin’s fault for being a “weak bitch” I believe tends to be the popular description for him over the last twenty-two years. There is unwillingness to let things go on Osha and Anakin’s end of things. I’ve often argued perhaps there’s Anakin’s genuinely unable to let one or two things go. Grief and trauma can hit people differently. One area I’ve often taken exception to with the Jedi is the subscription to a one size fits all mentality. Occasionally, you have guys like Qui-Gon or Plo who think outside the box and try different approaches. Now, with Anakin, admittedly, he does hold onto things with white knuckles, and that part’s definitely on him. With Osha and Mae, I’m waiting to see and learn more there, though I get what you’re saying about Mae bending the baggage into something more sinister. I do like that bit of Sol conceding that perhaps he wasn’t the best teacher. With Mae, no, try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. That was a joke. Seriously, yes, it is great he’s favoring the effort for the peaceful resolution. Torbin’s acceptance of the poison does suggest this group of Jedi did something shady. They would not be the first. Hell of a fight that was sans sabers. The intrigue of the fated night increases when Mae is surprised of Osha being alive. Mae is giving me vibes of Ventress and similar themes that were shown by the Second Sister and the Third Sister. It appears that fear is her master rather than her ally. Osha missing with the stun gun is deliberate, to the point I channeled Andre the Giant saying, “I did that on purpose. I didn’t have to miss.” The apothecary is a curiosity to keep an eye on. Great moment of the Wookie having the “Get off my lawn!” moment. Solid start, I concur.

Ryan
>>140054639

As said in Cobra Kai, there's no such thing as a bad student, just a bad teacher. Anakin might well have been able to deal with his trauma a lot better if the other Jedi didn't insist he immediately just forget about it rather than try to help him work through it (and Qui Gon very likely would have been able to do it, which in hindsight is the true stakes of his fight with Maul). By the way, if anyone here hasn't seen that show I highly recommend it, some of the best character development in a relatively compressed amount of time I've seen (though I wouldn't quite say Jess should see it because, well, it's kind of there in the name).

Saltire
>>140054639

Yes that scene with Sol and Yord does kind of parallel Qui-Gon teaching Obi-Wan about staying in the present and not letting his thoughts dwell too much on things he can't control. I know the situation with Anakin is more complicated than many - and I include myself in this - present it as, but my issue has always been about accountability with him, that he's too quick to dwell on his power, his ego and his many attributes, without truly looking within to find balance, which is what Jedi teaching is all about. You are right that not everyone is the same and can be taught in the same way, but at this time, padawans didn't become Knights until they were ready. Had Anakin been in this time, he wouldn't be a Jedi Knight at all until he got to about Obi-Wan's age when he ascended to Knight. Another 6 years of development is what he needed; but then circumstances and his hubris, got in the way of all that. Yord has found a certain amount of balance, but there is definitely some hubris needing driven out of him to move him on to become a wiser Jedi. Mae definitely has a lot of fear within her, especially with her line to Qimir about not telling her master about the poison. That fear keeps her on her toes, and I suppose thats what a "good" Sith master does, by playing on that to their apprentice; but she will only sink further into a hole like Maul and Anakin did by continuing this path.

Ryan

Well, that's twice that Dean-Charles Chapman has committed suicide, but unfortunately this one's not as hilarious as his literal King's Landing. I do wish the opening scene hadn't gone on quite so long, to the point I was quoting Crow T. Robot: "Yeah, try it eight more times, maybe it'll work." I'm very much on board with the mystery of what exactly Mae has against these particular Jedi, and I'm hoping against hope it's leading to something substantial and not just some Black Guardian "Your evil is my good" bullshit. In particular, I'm guessing Torbin's blinded eye has something to do with it; that seems like a detail they wouldn't just put in for no reason. This is just my second time seeing Manny Jacinto after The Good Place, and it's very interesting seeing him go from that impossibly dumb petty crook to a guy with pretty much the same job who's still not exactly smart but has a certain low cunning and survival instinct. And when his idea for how to get to Torbin actually worked, I very much was shouting "Jason figured it out? Okay, this is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts." It's such a huge relief that just two episodes in, everyone's on the same page with Mae's existence and being the killer. I really wasn't looking forward to a whole season of Yord pissing and moaning that Osha has to be the killer and no one takes him seriously. Always great when you can tell the story's crew is exactly on your wavelength about what should be happening and when.

Thomas Corp
>>140061855

True, Torbin’s death isn’t as humorous as the literal King’s Landing. Good use of the Crow quote. At this time, no specific ideas as to precisely what the mystery is, and I’m happy to let it play out. You’re probably accurate on Torbin’s eye. I’ve not seen The Good Place, but I’ve already caught a meme of Ted Danson saying that line in relation to Qimir. I was puzzled, saying, “I don’t even understand the reference.” Your comment clears that up. It is a breath of fresh air that everyone’s on the same page vis-à-vis Mae. I wouldn’t have minded the potent schadenfreude of everyone just ignoring Yord going on about Osha being the killer, but it is greatly a relief that they nip it in the bud damn quick.

Ryan
>>140061855

The trouble is that it’s not really possible to describe the context of much from The Good Place, since the show has several massive twists that it would be truly unforgivable to spoil, and most of the really quotable lines are tied up in them. You just have to ask for trust that it’s an amazing show.

Thomas Corp
>>140061855

Well, I know the one big surprise in, I believe it was at the end of the first season, because everybody will not keep quiet about it, and it ends up being as about as well known as Darth Vader being Anakin.

Thomas Corp
>>140054639

Yeah, one of the bigger failings of the Jedi is that they have the insistence of Anakin should have the suck it up, get over it lickety-split mentality without offering much in the way of help with that, because they’re too used to that’s how they’ve operated as long as they have; they see no real reason to consider a different approach. Filoni’s even spoken about the Duel of the Fates being very much tied to Qui-Gon’s noble end, and how that becomes one of the major catalysts for the fall of the galaxy as Qui-Gon likely would have been more attuned to have been able to help Anakin process his traumas. As Filoni describes it, “What’s at stake is really how Anakin’s going to turn out. Because Qui-Gon is different from the rest of the Jedi, and you get that in the movie. And Qui-Gon is fighting because he knows that he’s the father that Anakin needs.” The real mystery is what pressure points would the Emperor have attacked with Anakin had Qui-Gon lived. I get the particular frustration with Anakin having that lack of accountability, thus making it easier to treat the whole shebang in much simpler terms. It has gotten so frustrating over the last two decades that I really just wanted to give Jess such a great big hug when she had that perfect analysis in Revenge of the Sith. She got it. The lack of development given the situation of the war didn’t help. This is why I’m interested in the situation with Osha as this is ostensibly a peaceful time, and it’s thus far been implied that whatever caused Osha to leave may or may not be tied to her family and/or what happened on the night they cryptically refer to. Yord is on the way toward a nice balance. He takes the pole out of his keister, he should be set. Yes, a true Sith Master weaponizes the power of fear with their apprentices. There’s an amazing line from Darth Plagueis, “I am your torturer, Sidious. You will make every effort to appease me. So, appease me, Sidious.” Whoever the master is here, they are keeping up the fine Sith tradition. As to Cobra Kai, I think Jess would really like it, and there’s fewer literal snakes than what the title would suggest, albeit not as small a number as the amount of blood in There Will Be Blood.