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Doctor Who 14x06/1x06 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

Okay, who gave you permission to start this by ripping out my heart like that? It was hard enough seeing your Twitter post about it, and now I have to explain to my family why I'm crying so much in the middle of the day. If I was pitching this episode: "Jonathan Groff has a whole enemies to lovers thing with Ncuti, and they kiss at the end." "And what else is in it?" "...I don't understand the question." Remember how everyone was predicting after the trailer that Rogue was a new regeneration of the Master? Or River? Or a recast Captain Jack now that Barrowman is so problematic? Maybe you guys should take a rest from this stuff, because you don't seem to be very good at it. At most, I'd say he's intended as a replacement for stuff RTD wanted to do with Jack, but it's really hard to care about any of that when Groff is so fantastic in the part, and he and Ncuti work so well off each other, so that within the span of one episode I fully bought the bond between them and I'm fully invested in how the Doctor's going to find him. Apparently what went down here is that RTD ran his mouth about the line about Loki's bisexuality being "cowardly," without knowing how much the show's crew had to fight Disney to even be allowed that much, and once he learned the full picture he called Kate Herron to apologize, and they ended up getting along so well that he ended up inviting her and Briony to write an episode for the season. And I'm so glad it all turned out this way, because even with the inevitable comedown from the last two truly spectacular episodes, this was a ton of fun. I personally have never been that into Bridgerton, and it's been a blast watching people mostly respond to Season 3 with "Wow, has it always been this bad?" now that the COVID lockdown desperation for entertainment has fully worn off, but I was still able to fully get into the fun of "cosplaying" the setting, and that motivation is a wonderful twist for the villains that I'm kind of surprised it took the show this long to do. And then, there's Richard E. Grant. You know, there was a time when I would have been all over this, but now I'm a month away from turning 40 and I've seen so many annoying fanbases that I actually hope this never, ever gets any further explanation, and RTD only responds to questions about it with "Well, why was the Third Doctor an older Pertwee from the Eastenders crossover? Didn't even notice, did you?" Going back to Fatal Death, I've even found it's not really as funny as my memories, and of course the stuff about a female Doctor has aged insanely bad, so just let it sit there.

Paul Mason

Pausing the reaction to say the tribute was beautiful!

TokuBLWhovian
>>140313482

I’m taking Dimensions in Time and Curse of Fatal Death as canon now 😂 I love the enemies to lovers trope, I find that more interesting than two characters falling for each other instantly and I like slow burning relationships.

Thomas Corp

Oh, good Lord, that outfit is FANTASTIC, Jess! The colors really suit you. It looks very nice. And even before getting to the episode, you reduced me to tears with your beautiful tribute to William Russell. It was very heartfelt and much appreciated. Favorite Ian moment, uh, that’s a tough one, uh, really all of them. I will say that I’m still reeling from seeing William’s final appearance as Ian and how much I sobbed, and then I sobbed even more seeing your beyond beautiful reaction to that moment. That’s not exactly a favorite moment, but it is a moment that’s sticking with me for possibly the remainder of the decade, maybe longer. Now to the episode. I had a feeling you would like this episode better than I. I see Ryan uses the term “inevitable comedown”, and yeah, after the last four spectacular episodes, I suppose that should have been expected, plus it serves as a (relative) breather before, I assume, the dramatic season finale. This was still good. I enjoyed it. You and me both, Jess, in terms of having never seen an episode of Bridgerton. I think you should take a shot every time they say the show’s name. Judging from the episode, I don’t have the highest hopes that I’d enjoy it. I too came across something about Jonathan Groff being in this season, and when the setting established, this seemed a likely spot for him to show up. He was good, good dynamic with the Doctor. Wasn’t the biggest fan of how fast things progressed, and I share your feelings on the trope you mentioned, though that’s not the fault of the chemistry as that was quite something. I feel like if there was less Bridgerton shenanigans, and it was allowed to breathe just a hair more, I wouldn’t even have the complaint. Indeed, I’m seeing overwhelmingly positive comments from others about it, and I’m happy to see that. Indira Varma was nice to see, and she too, I guess got spoiled for me. I said, “Oh, shit! Indira-Oh, yeah, I did hear something about her being in this.” Mildly distracted as she was Suzie on Torchwood as you noted. On the other hand, Twelve is my Doctor... Who am I to complain? Indira was a delight as the leader of the feathered fiends going around frying people like drumsticks. Certainly, a less hateful villain than she was on Game of Thrones. I shared your doubt of them killing Ruby before we’ve revealed what the big mystery is, so I was far LESS emotional than her almost death in the land mine episode, which got me SO bad, to say nothing of going through the emotions with her in the 73 Yards episode. The Carla scene got me. I think I missed something too with Rogue getting her out of the trap. Did they establish how he was able to do that and I just missed it? The sacrifice was emotional, for sure, and yeah, we’ll see him again. And even if we don’t, that last scene with his ring gets you right in the heart. Other notes. You had me cracking up over your rebuttal to the Doctor’s assessment of the left behind shoe making me say, “If you’re trying to race-I KNEW you were going to make a Cinderella remark, Jess!” The earrings accessories would be quite handy, though I hope they would come in clip-on style in the real world, or perhaps you could fit such an accessory in a watch. I continue to prove how out of it I am, music-wise. People are going on about some song being played early in the episode, which I didn’t catch, nor do I know what it was. The Doctor playing the music in Rogue’s ship threw me, I said, “Am I supposed to know this song?” and now your reaction makes me say, “Yeah, that doesn’t help me.” I did catch the Gaga of it all as you put it. Helping with that is the radio station they’ve had hooked up at work has been playing that song twice a day at least. And I know you love Gaga. That statement I just made is not meant to impugn her work. The song’s just been a mite overplayed as of late is all I’m saying. The use of Willy Wonka and Mozart was the most familiar to me, and the ones I kind of danced to. All in all, a fun episode that just happened to have the bad luck of following the Maestro episode, the landmine episode, the 73 Yards episode, and the social media dependent racist moron fucks episode, but even then, though it didn’t reach the bar of those episodes, I still enjoyed the episode, I enjoyed sharing the episode with you, Jess. Thank you for the fun reaction and the lovely tribute.

Ryan
>>140318627

Bridgerton has two major things that set it apart from just being a generic Jane Austen wannabe: an alternate history where King George III married a black woman which resulted in the country's black population getting a much higher social status (which oddly is hardly ever actually used to advantage beyond just a handwave explanation of casting black actors as 19th century nobility), and classical string covers of popular music. I'm pretty sure the show itself has used Poker Face at some point, but I don't recall Bad Guy anywhere. Also Julie Andrews as the narrator, though she's never going to appear onscreen since it's pretty much the same role as Gossip Girl, using a famous voice to hide which character is actually writing the stuff. Like I said above, I find it mostly mediocre, but it's one of those times where there's just enough there that I find myself still watching because I hope it can get better.

Thomas Corp
>>140318627

Yeah, I don’t know what Bad Guy is. So, basically the divergence in history is just to say why the colorblind casting is done, and they don’t actually explore it in any interesting manner? Sounds disappointing. I’ve never seen Gossip Girl either, though that sounds like an aggravatingly underuse of Julie Andrews.

Thomas Corp
>>140313482

Yeah, Jess had strong Mola Ram energy in ripping my heart out with that beautiful tribute. Hoo boy. I think I would have just taken your pitch sans all the Bridgerton shenanigans. Rogue feels most like a stand-in for Captain Jack, albeit with an American accent that’s less jarring on Doctor Who then Captain Jack’s American accent is. Of course, part of why Captain Jack’s accent is the more jarring is that it’s my accent and hearing it on a British show throws me for such a loop. I did not see any of the trailers, so I missed all the Pepe Silvia activities, thank God. Jonathan Groff was good as Rogue. He’ll be back. I didn’t know about how Kate Herron got invited to write for this, though I did catch her name in the credits. That’s sweet. I know my sister in-law has seen at least some of Bridgerton. No word if she’s seen any of the newest season. My brother doesn’t sound like he cared for it all that much. I’m fine with the cosplaying angle. I would have just preferred straight up Jane Austen over the Bridgerton. I’m only saying this about Richard E. Grant: the man is a goddamn treasure. Let the fans tear themselves apart with the speculation and theories.

Ryan
>>140318627

It's by Billie Eilish, and was used in the trailers for Bombshell, Cyberpunk 2077, and (of course) The Bad Guys. Also a ton of covers in different genres in stuff like The Umbrella Academy and Westworld.

Graeme Wood

They say never meet your heroes but as a child William Russell as Ian was became my hero. Every week it was Ian I followed rather than the Dr, as the Tardis crew escaped peril after peril. I was heartbroken when he and Barbara returned home. Imagine then when decade's later I was fortunate enough to meet Russ several times to interview him and found him to be the most warm and welcoming person. It was wonderful to spend time in his presence. A true gentleman he will be greatly missed.

Josef Schiltz

Oh Jess. What a lovely tribute to Russ! That truly got to me. He was, indeed, a gent of the classic kind. Barbara: "Oh, look, I don't understand it any more than you do. The inside of the ship, suddenly finding ourselves here. Even some of the things Doctor Foreman says . . . " Ian: "That's not his name. Who is he? Doctor who? Perhaps if we knew his name we might have a clue to all this." Although it was a complete shock when that horrible accident happened to Roger Delgado, the first time - and, completely, no disrespect to Roger at all - that I really lost it was when Patrick Troughton died. We almost felt, through Patrick's performance as The Doctor, that we indeed knew Patrick himself, chameleon though he was, and it felt as if we had all lost an old and very dear friend. So many partings since then, in all our lives, and they never get easier and they shouldn't. Sorrow, as well as joy, makes us human.

Josef Schiltz
>>140318627

I think my favourite Ian moment is descriptive of The Doctor. In the opening scene on Skaro, Ian and Barbara have a quiet moment to themselves as The Doctor and Susan have scouted on ahead, which Ian notes, and he says to Barbara, "We had better keep an eye on him. He seems to have a knack of getting himself into trouble!"

Josef Schiltz
>>140313482

I've always found 'comedy' take offs of Doctor Who to be very forced. We are supposed to laugh . . . . and then we don't. Usually, it's because of a shallow and ennerved perception of the show and failing dismally to clock what it's all about all because they want to get a cheap laugh. The same with Star Trek skits. An embarrassing switch off.