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House of the Dragon 2x01 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Thomas Corp

You had a leg up on me with going into the new season of House of the Messy completely blind. I avoided the trailers like the goddamn plague and the internet would not shut the fuck up about the spoilers. This on top of other spoilers they’ve been chattering away about for the last two years. You had a better reaction than I did, Jess, though I should note one reason for that was I was very depressed yesterday. Rising tension is the prevalent theme for the episode. We did get deprived of a scene of Aemond imparting the events of the last season’s end. He probably did own it if for no other reason than nobody would believe otherwise, might as well lean into it. Olivia sells well the panic that Alicent is trying desperately to quell. It’s much the same as my own panic for nearly the past two years that came from putting myself in her shoes. Specifically, my thoughts over these past two years were this: Alicent made Otto put forth the offer of peace. The quality of said offer can be debated elsewhere. The point being that the offer of peace was on the table. The idea that it would take, that was on thin ice already. Now Lucerys is dead; the facts won’t matter. Rhaenyra’s going to make that Alicent’s fault. Apparently, my prediction was slightly off as it seems Rhaenyra has yet to become fully mad queen as she only wants Aemond dead. Or, so she says, anyway. Love the scene of Alicent and Otto; their dynamic is the most intriguing and fascinating. Just as Team Green is the more fascinating of the two primary factions, or at least I think so, I know you assess both sides in an equal measure, and I love that, Jess. And I concur with your thought nobody needs to be Team Aegon and Larys talking to each other; nobody needs that shit in their life. The development with Criston was technically spoiled for me, or at least the idea got leaked. Feelings about that are neither hot nor cold at the moment. I know that I’ve heard that the ship has been quite popular in certain fan circles, and as I said, I heard alleged leaks that Alicent and Criston had started a physical relationship. Seeing that those leaks rang true, uh, I suppose I’m not against it, so long as they get VASTLY better writing than what Daenerys and Jon got, as that dialogue was so absurdly clunky, that when I finally saw the show, upon seeing their scenes, I outright said, “I think the world collectively owes George Lucas an apology.” Quite enjoyed the scene of Rhaenys throwing the sass toward Daemon, especially after he accuses her of not ending it all, whilst conveniently not giving two shits about the, what was it, thousands of people she unnecessarily killed. She got a round of applause reminding Daemon he’s not king. Likewise, the one former member of the Kingsguard got a similar round of applause when he points out to Daemon the contradictory nature of the vows when the factions were formed, and how satisfying it is that Daemon had no counter to that. You had a stronger emotional reaction than I to Rhaenrya and Jacaerys ’s scenes. Sadly, from the sound of it, everyone did. Possibly that demonstrates my having drawn that hard of a line in the sand concerning my favorites of this show. Possibly I was just that dead inside yesterday. Or both. Who knows? I don’t know. The way you talked about it hit me with the guilt and now I feel like a fucking asshole. I think I had the stronger reaction to Alicent lighting the candle for the fallen boy along with the candles she lit for her husband, and her dearly departed mother. I do know what you meant on loving the scenes where Rhaenys says that Rhaenyra needs to see some sort of proof of death before it finally becomes real. There’s been a few prominent deaths in my family where cremation was decided over traditional burial. The result being that even at the funerals, the deaths did not sink in, and only after some time, the absence of those that had died, all the days they stayed dead, finally caused it to register. So, I do appreciate your comments on finding that scene to be powerful. Concerning Blood and Cheese. I knew about the general idea about what was going to happen, if not the specifics as the internet was obscenely cacophnic about that since at least the third or fourth episode of season one. Nobody said anything about the dog. I did anticipate your reaction to the poor dog being brought into the nefarious situation, more so when the poor thing got kicked which made me jump both from my own revulsion and knowing that it would upset you to see it. In answer to the question that you asked upon seeing the scene: No, it was not fucking necessary. I did recall your love for our dear beloved Bug Queen Helaena, the feeling is mutual. Massive praise to Phia in that scene. You and I were on the same page, reaction-wise, particularly the sound, I had to look away at that one, and the stomach churned. My brother let me know that he’d seen the episode by shooting me the message, “God, Daemon fucks up a lot.” to which, my dry response was, “You’re expecting an argument?” Messiness, messiness, messiness, that’s what Daemon has chosen. As to what to expect going forward, I know Alicent’s going to be safe, physically anyway. At least, I think so. It stands to reason that if you’re the Salieri of the story that the showrunners aren’t going to kill you off before the story is done. Particularly, as since Alicent is the Salieri of the show, it means that she’s the main character, the chief protagonist, so they’re not going to kill her. Then again, this is the Game of Thrones universe, so you never know. Otherwise, I have your fabulous fashion to look forward to. And dark green is my favorite color, plus I love a good black ensemble, combine that with you look amazing in any color, you’ll hear no complaints from me, Jess. Then of course there is your fantastic thoughts and insights, which one episode back with House of the Messy, and it’s already so great. Thank you for the great reaction, Jess.

Ryan
>>141123941

The dog was a completely new addition, so that's why no one was talking about it. In fact, the whole scene was massively toned down from how fucked up it was in the book, as hard as that may be to believe. Which I'm actually all in favor of, as this was the point in the book where I officially said "Every single one of these people suck and I hope they all die horribly," and I've much been preferring the show's rendition of a ton of bad communication having these tragic results. Though I did have a very inappropriate laugh at the stabbing itself being left offscreen; exactly how many people did they think would react to that with "I was perfectly fine with the Red Wedding, the multiple childbirth deaths, and everything with Ramsey, but this is crossing the line!"

Thomas Corp
>>141123941

I have been hearing that it was even more fucked up in the book. The show does feel more like a tragedy where blame is fairly equally distributed. I still remember my reaction to the Red Wedding finding it somewhat tame compared to the build-up and hype in pop-culture. Of course, Order 66 sets the bar too high for scenes like that. It’s also why the Snap felt slightly underwhelming. Concerning Ramsey, as he is my most loathed and despised character of anything, I was NOT perfectly fine with him, and the one scene in season five, I am NEVER watching that scene again. His death scene, on the other hand. I could play on an infinite loop, and it would never get old.

Ed Green
>>141123941

The book presents itself as the gathering together of various accounts of the events of the civil war by a maester historian during the reign of Robert. These accounts are of varying degrees of reliability, and one source in particular goes out of his way to make his stories as shocking as possible. So it's entirely possible to say 'in the book, it may have still happened like this but the characters who told the tale thought up an even more shocking version of events in order to drum up attention/memoir sales for themselves.'

Thomas Corp
>>141123941

Sort of sounds like Unforgiven in that regard. Which is fine by me as I love that movie. Such an idea certainly fits if nothing else.

Vanessa J McNamara

Fantastic Reaction, Jessica! I like to experience both sides as well. It’s so much more fun. Great acting almost makes me tear up, and they’re all so great. Of course bottom line, I’m team Daemon all the way. Lol, book readers have been whining all day about the ending. (It’s slightly different in the book). It probably would have been more impactful, but personally I never care about the shock value moments. I like the scheming and the character moments. I appreciate the restraint. I won’t go into the gory details about Blood and Cheese, but I know for certain someone will. Honestly you got the gist and your analysis was straight on for every point. Lol, I was screaming at the TV about the dog too. You pretty much said it all so I’ll just thank for a wonderful reaction.

Thomas Corp
>>141131588

Both teams do have phenomenal acting. Can’t quite say I’m Team Daemon, but I am Team Matt Smith as Daemon. Liking Daemon is one thing. Living for Matt’s absurdly good performance, that’s something else, and I can get behind that. As a book reader, not of this, I haven’t read this, but as a book reader, I get the frustration of you built something up in your head, and seeing an adaptation how the reality doesn’t match that. My aunt used to say that the film of The Shining sort of threw her for a loop for that reason. The restraint was well done, though the sound was stomach churning; my reaction was similar to how Jess reacted. And I agree with you on favoring the scheming and character moments. Shared reaction with the dog getting kicked; I jumped like I just got kicked.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>141123941

I’m sorry you were depressed. The fandom can be very polarising, and tiring. I try to stay away from that as it only brings grief. Of course I don’t always succeed but I try. No one is innocent in this story. They’ve all done things to contribute. I know it’s fashionable to just blame all of the men or just one side or say the women are too passive. I think it’s much more interesting to try and decipher all of their motivations. I’ve yet to see a GOT Joffrey among them. I don’t know what’s going to happen. The pov material in the book is so scarce they could do just about anything. Having said all that I think it’s natural to pick a side if you want to. I’m a huge Matt Smith fan and so naturally my bias is there. My issues are usually with the showrunners because I want more of him, lol. Wasn’t Tom Glynn Carney delightful in this episode. What a fine young actor he is. We needed his comic relief as well.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>141131588

It’s not a spoiler to tell you that is mostly a history book with very few pov perspectives. It’s barely an outline of a story with certain key happenings, Really they have the freedom to do what they want to. However it is not a happy story overall. You know how GRRM is. One of these days that man really needs to write a book with a happy ending. Unfortunately he can’t finish the series he has now, lol. But for all we know, these showrunners could change anything.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>141123941

There are not very many fleshed out characters in the book, not really. I think Daemon had the most having had a whole novella written about him. I do get the frustration of book readers. I really wanted a fleshed out Laena and Daemon storyline last season. Ironically it’s one of the more detailed accounts. Hey we can’t always get what we want

Ryan

First off, I've read Fire and Blood twice, so the only surprises on this show are going to be changes from it. Of which there have been quite a few, so there's still plenty non-spoilery stuff for me to talk about. I had a bit of a laugh at the opening scene, which very much comes off as a response to the fans complaining about the lack of the Starks in Season 1. Ditto Mysaria's accent disappearing with no explanation. And it's amazing how much more connected the show now feels to Game of Thrones with Cregan involved. One thing that puts the show in a bit of a bind is that in the book, Aemond killing Luke was absolutely deliberate, which as you'd imagine informs a lot of his later actions. And so far it seems like they're dealing with that by just...ignoring it and having everyone act like it went down like in the book. Really hoping that doesn't last and there was an actual reason for making this change in the first place, as it got kind of silly by halfway through Season 1 that absolutely no one but Daemon was allowed to deliberately kill anyone. Oh, and I also have to say that I recently finished The Last Kingdom (absolutely loved it), and Ewan Mitchell's role in that show is a pretty hilarious contrast to Aemond: a king's bastard son who hates fighting and becomes a monk. The scene that got me the most emotional was Jace struggling to get through his report of his successful missions. Harry Collett does a fantastic job that should lead to a great career. And I was also very impressed with Phia Saban, after wondering for the whole first season how she'd be able to handle this kind of material that I knew was coming. An incredible opening, and with what's coming later in the season (and I have a pretty good idea about what particular event this one's going to end with) it should be quite a ride.

Thomas Corp
>>141123941

Yeah, fandoms can be tiring. This one may be the most polarizing I think I’ve experienced. It is near impossible to blame everything on solely one person and/or side. Certain areas, you can reasonably argue that there’s greater guilt or blame. It’s great sharing the show with Jess as she really takes the time to analyze and decipher motivations. I went into this knowing that Matt Smith was going to be fantastic, and he is. From what I’ve heard, it does sound like Daemon’s one of the few characters in this where they had ample material to work with. Alicent just grabbed me and never let go. It then skyrocketed when Olivia Cooke stepped into the role as she is sensational. There were some amusing Aegon moments in the episode. One that got me was they called him Aegon the magnanimous, leading me to note, “That’s what they’re going with?”, right before Aegon mentions much the same, which made me laugh.

Thomas Corp
>>141135202

I confess that I was slightly mean with the Stark business, saying, “Yeah, well, none of you are Sansa, so, not interested. Pass.” Didn’t even really notice that about Mysaria’s accent. Or I just wasn’t that bothered by it. As Jess said, you could make the argument that Aemond simply sold what happened as what was described in the books. My own thought as I said, he might have held a reasonable belief that no one would have believed him if he told the truth. Certainly, Team Black would not have, so maybe he leans into it as a sort of safety measure. The acting remains great. Phia got me with her acting with mainly just her eyes and body language in the ending portion of the episode. Based on the internet’s inability to keep quiet, I may or may not know one or two ways this season could conclude. Of course, they could change things up. Either way, we should be in for a hell of a ride.

Ed Green
>>141131588

His existing 3 Dunk & Egg novellas have more or less happy endings.