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House of the Dragon 2x02 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

I can't wait for the big twist that Helaena was actually pointing at a street sign behind Jaeherys. Yeah, I'm going to be pulling this one out for a while. First of all, let me just assure everyone who hasn't read the book: No, you're not having a stroke regarding Alicent and Viserys having a fourth child. One of the weirder adaptation choices in Season 1 was never even once making mention of Daeron, which of course led us who read the book to assume he'd been adapted out completely until the crew put out a statement after the season aired that he was still in it and was just already in Oldtown when we came back from the time skip. I kind of suspect they did intend to cut him, but got stuck when they unthinkingly copied the four bloodlines from the book in the opening credits. Arryk and Erryk was one of the parts of Fire and Blood that most stood out to me, this epic and emotional falling out between brothers reduced to a footnote in a much larger story, and making you wonder just how many similar stories are playing out in this war. And I imagine some fans had an idea this was coming just from how the show hired actual twins rather than doubling the actor. Although, would it kill you to come up with a handshake or something when there's someone on the other side who looks exactly like one of your guys? Your reactions to Criston are up there with Pulaski, and the whole affair with Alicent is invented for the show, so I have no idea where that's going. Not that actually having a point was ever much of a deterrent for newly invented subplots on GOT itself (anyone remember Podrick the inexplicable sex god?), but I'd hope that after all the mockery that show got for it, they'd know better here. The biggest standout of all here is Rhys Ifans, and his one big scene alone should absolutely be his Emmy submission. I've never sympathized with Otto more, and his look of "I know I'm going to regret it but I just have to ask" upon hearing Criston had "taken action" is a very welcome bit of humor in an episode that's pretty lacking in it even by this show's standards. Now we can only hope he finally turns into the Lizard and kicks some ass.

Thomas Corp

Yes, this was quite an episode if you do say so yourself, I’m inclined to concur. Sadly, I had another week of being afflicted by the blues, thus you had a much better reaction to this than I would have. I’m going to preemptively apologize if portions of my comment anger anybody as there’s one or two things to vent about, but I’ll try to keep it as civil as possible. Copious amounts of messiness in this episode of House of the Messy is an understatement and a half. Phenomenal acting across the board. It is an objectively effective method of spin with the baby procession, morally fucked up though it is. Images of Alicent and Helaena as part of the funeral procession were somewhat unavoidable long before this season started airing and I saw them at some point, much though I tried to avoid them; the internet seemed quite determined to chatter away about the whole Blood and Cheese business. Completely share your feelings of protectiveness for Helaena. Massively entitled though Rhaenyra has proven herself last season, it is refreshing to see she’s genuinely aghast about the baby murder. I was an asshole when she said, “Vile allegation.” My thought and comment being that I thought that Rhaenyra did not know the meaning of the word “vile”, it appears I was wrong. Half-wrong, anyway, but that is not her fault. Nice how Rhaenys clocks that Daemon’s the guilty one in this situation. That scene that Rhaenyra and Daemon had was a standout. Daemon got my patience to wear thin with his weak non-denial denials with his trying to blame it on the assassins, and saying he gave the instructions, yet the wrong blood was shed. Force majeure and all that, and I start yelling at him, “Daemon, I don’t think that now’s the time to come over all fucking Jerry Lundegaard about all this. Supposing for sake of argument that your protestations and denials are genuine, which I doubt, I HIGHLY doubt, once you get past the “Aw, jeez! The heck ya mean I got a baby murdered?” stage and realize that you’re COMPLETELY FUCKED from EVERY conceivable direction, let me know, ok?” It is quite something where Rhaenyra admits that on some level, she’s always held mistrust for Daemon, more’s the pity. And Daemon gets the blood slightly simmering with the attempted gaslighting, whilst having one relatively accurate observation that Rhaenyra was chosen to be heir largely to keep Daemon off the throne. I loved your assessment of both of them in that scene. You openly question where Daemon’s character is headed, which I imagine you mean besides causing more fuckery, should be memorable, if nothing else. The scene Corlys had with Rhaenys was nice, and I thought his one line was sweet, nice to see you had a small laugh at that. Looks like Criston’s cracking a bit what with his going on about the cloak being sullied being as egregious a sin as wire-hangers, apparently. Then there’s the whole sending the kingsguardsmen on the suicide mission. You surmise correctly, I imagine that he was projecting guilt some. Still. I don’t recall you explicitly mentioning the twins and your desire for focus on them. That might have been a good thing because all this morning, I’ve been seeing endless comments about how their big scene was in the book versus the show and given the recent Pyramids of Mars debacle in the youtube comment section, I would imagine there would have been lots of leading and winking comments that would be left behind. And you would not appreciate that given the reminder of that in this video. Their big confrontation was something. Similar thoughts on confusing the two, which I like that it is noted in the show as no aid or back-up can be given for the same reason of the confusion. Your reaction to the conclusion of that plotline was most memorable, Jess. On one level, I’m sympathetic to Aegon’s spiraling from losing his son. On the other hand, he’s still spiraling. He got Blood and Cheese at least. It’s honestly hilarious how fast Blood caved. Lord Randall Weems of House Tarantino didn’t even have to do anything beyond presenting his Marathon Man equipment and Blood folded like a cheap suit. And the dog is safe, which I yelled, “He’s ok!” and I anticipated your reaction to that. It says something is bad when Otto becomes genuinely livid. You are right that there have been strong parallels between Otto and Daemon. My own take is that Otto acts much like a sin eater in that he knows he does distasteful things. Whilst he makes little to no apologies, he’s not needlessly cruel or wanton, nor does he ever appear to take much pleasure in those acts; only doing them for a perceived greater good. Daemon, by contrast, doesn’t seem to give a shit about what he does, and just has the “I am a Targaryan, I can do whatever I want!” type of petulance to him. Rhys killed that scene that Otto had, and I loved everything about your reaction to that. And now he’s off to look after Daeron. I was not expecting the laughter at Otto’s line to Alicent in their scene together. Not saying such a reaction was wrong, it was just, as I said, I wasn’t expecting that. How you said, “Oh, boy.” at the last scene, that more or less mirrored my own response. You think the continued dalliance is going to not be good for Alicent. It’s not, (Saying this as someone who does not know what’s to come with that.) but that’s the decision Alicnet has made, you get the feeling she knows it’s not going to be good, so, we’ll see how it goes. Now to Alicent. Alicent, Alicent, Alicent. Goddamn is it obscene how fantastic Olivia is in this whole episode. The scene where she half retches out of guilt, that scene with the bath, the funeral procession, and all the other scenes with no dialogue, and she sells it all perfectly. I am of the opinion that we can just give Olivia all the awards right now. I realize my bias as Alicent is my favorite of the show, which, by the way, seeing as her whole arc and character feels very Salieri by way of A Doll’s House, I’m wondering how exactly the show expected me to favor Rhaenyra and/or Daemon, and that I wasn’t going to find Alicent to be the most fascinating character in this show. Seriously, going by how Olivia has been exemplary beyond belief in this role, just give her all the awards now. And each of your reactions to her scenes are most sublime, Jess, just as your reaction to this episode of House of the Messy was sublime, thank you.

Thomas Corp
>>141752473

I’ll second the point, so long as Alicent gets to ask what it’s about, and Helaena responds, “...I don’t know. It looks ominous?” I’ve been aware of the existence of Daeron since, I don’t know, I think it was halfway through last season. The fans, Teams Black and Green would not shut the fuck up about it. I would like to meet him, which I expect may or may not happen, we shall see. The fight between the twins is greatly aided by the hiring of actual twin actors. Good thought on the secret handshake. I confess with Criston that I’m curious how everyone just collectively decided that he’s the worst piece of human garbage on this show. I’m not saying I’m overly fond of the character myself, I’m just baffled by the level of vilification he’s gotten. Again, not saying I’m necessarily a fan of the character myself. Maybe it just stands out considering the complete psychopathy and moral bankruptcy that is Daemon, whom everyone seems to love, and my brother and I keep saying that “love” or even “like” is a strong word with Daemon. Matt is awesome in the role though, let’s be clear. I pushed hard for Rhys to get awards attention with the first season as he is beyond excellent as Otto. Him and both Olivia and Emily as Alicent were the main three I was pulling for, though really everybody got snubbed last season. Yes, this scene Rhys had here, it is up there in terms of having sympathy for Otto. He did sell that Saul Goodman look of “I’m going to hate myself for asking this, but...” quite well. I will drink to Otto turning into Lizard to kick some ass. First, though, he’s probably got to help Hugh Grant get together with Julia Roberts.

Ryan
>>141752473

It seems to be the same reason Klaus from The Vampire Diaries became so popular: when every single character is a complete moral mess, the only real question is who you have more fun watching.

Thomas Corp
>>141752473

Haven’t seen that show, so I don’t quite have the frame of reference. But point taken.

Ryan
>>141756674

People have been joking since the start that Matt Smith is basically just playing Prince Phillip again, and it's especially uncanny here. The only difference is he's more okay with black people marrying into the family, ba-zing! In the book, Rhaenyra really was behind the murder, and just as Otto says, that's the point where it becomes impossible to root for her no matter how much you stan a girlboss against the patriarchy. Big relief they decided to change that.

Vanessa J McNamara

There is pretty much nothing in the source material to explain where they’re going next with Daemon. So it will be fun to discover it with you. Your observation about him doing the dirty work is an astute one. I recall episode 7 of last season when Rhaenyra begged him to marry her. He kills someone so that Laenor can escape. . He does it because all the rest of the “gentler” people in charge won’t. Then they slap him in the face with it. But he is responsible regardless of what he said. It was impetuous and foolish to do what he did. He put it into motion. The scene was powerful. They each made their points. I did like the insights into both of their characters. Just as you said, the acting is impeccable from everyone, and it can’t be overstated. Tom Glynn-Carney as Aegon is such a highlight for me, so unexpected. The Otto scenes were great. Some people think it was slow. I was pretty much riveted the whole time. I do hope they flesh out (no pun intended, lol) Cole a little more. Thanks for for a great reaction. Your points, as always are very intuitive.

Ryan
>>141752473

It’s much, much better than you’d expect from a show that was so obviously greenlit to cash in on how big Twilight was at the time. At least until the last couple seasons.

Thomas Corp
>>141771890

Oh, nice to hear we’re relatively in uncharted waters, vis-à-vis Daemon. Responsibility for Blood and Cheese falls squarely in his lap. It is a nice touch that we never do see him respond to the question of what to do if Aemond could not be found. And even if Daemon didn’t give them an explicit green light to kill the baby, (I rather doubt it.) by all indications, he did not care one way or another how any of that was going to play out. Both Rhaenyra and Daemon raise valid points and arguments, and what’s great is how neither side is incorrect, yet they still both paint a rather simplified narrative concerning the immensely complex and grey mess that everything has devolved into with this show. Aegon is in a similar boat as Daemon in that liking him is something of a reach. The acting, on the other hand, is fantastic, and I’m looking forward to more. Loved the Otto scenes. This didn’t feel slow to me. Much though it is not easy to like Criston all that much, I do have the desire to dive into his mental state and motivations more than we have thus far; hopefully we get the opportunity to do so.

Ed Green
>>141756674

I'd have to check the book, but I don't recall Rhaenyra being implicated.

Ed Green
>>141752473

Daemon lists the dragons in the S1 finale, and says the Greens have 4. That implies Daeron exists. The other three are Aegon, Helaena and Aemond's.

Vanessa J McNamara

Yes they keep doing that what did Daemon really say thing. I think a lot of people are tired of it and I tend to agree. It used to be fun, but now we have Green and Black supporters at each others throats in comment sections (not this one) and it’s getting ugly out there, lol. Ironically it wasn’t written like that but they liked the look on Matt’s face and left it in. It’s kind of sad, Matt Smith adores children. Now that the 3rd episode has aired I can say I am very intrigued. But as for this one really a great episode from all concerned. It was even better the 2nd time I watched it

Vanessa J McNamara
>>141756674

I’ve never heard that said. Daemon is totally different from Prince Philip, and I am never reminded of him when I’m watching Matt as Daemon. I once thought I would have a hard time disassociating him from The Doctor, but he is a professional and there is no bigger proof than this role

Thomas Corp
>>141756674

I’ve yet to see The Crown, so I have no frame of reference to compare. Matt and several other actors and actresses are a big incentive to see it, I know. Daemon is about as far removed from Eleven as possible, and it does demonstrate Matt’s chops and range.

Thomas Corp
>>142501172

Yeah, this show has incited that vitriolic fandom discourse, thus robbing opportunities to have nuanced conversations and debates. Though here, everyone has been quite nice. I still say Daemon did say what he’s accused of doing, and even if he didn’t, he likely wasn’t averse to the horrific act, although now the guilt does seem to be creeping up on him. I haven’t heard if he has or not, but I hope that Matt has been avoiding the toxic fans yelling at him for Daemon’s actions. I know that the actor playing Criston has been receiving appalling treatment over these past few weeks, leading me to get frustrated by it, thinking, “Let’s leave the poor guy alone, people. If you really want to commit to holding the belief that Criston is the worst piece of human garbage on this show, then that’s your call, but do not take it out on the poor guy playing him. All right?” I’m Team Green, or at least Team Alicent, and I admit I got my problems with Rhaenyra and Daemon, more so Daemon, as of late, yet I still recognize that they are dynamic and compelling characters, and I have nothing against Emma and Matt as they’ve been spectacular.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>141752473

I try not to hate characters with Ramsey and Joffrey in the original show being the exception. I prefer to look at their motivations and Daemon has reasons the way he is and so I’m all for exploring them. They cut out a lot of scenes last year showing Daemon hugging his daughters after Leana died and comforting Rhaenyra in Episode 10, just to name a couple and I’m not really sure why. Women have been fascinated with charismatic antiheroes since literature has been alive. It’s easier because at the end of the day, you don’t have to deal with the bad stuff, it’s fiction. Yes I know I’m biased. Cole, the way they are writing him now is way better than in the book. And still it doesn’t seem to be enough. I have always found his ability to not move on from Rhaenyra perplexing. Perhaps his murder of Joffrey explains that. Now It seems he may have passed a point of no return, because the guilt is so huge. I do not know for certain I have no inside info and wouldn’t mention it here if I did. There are a lot of book readers who loathed Cole before the show even started. Now the twin thing isn’t going to help more people come around. I believe that was originally given to Otto. I just adore Fabien Frankel, such a sweetheart. Ironically he and Matt Smith have become best buds the last few years.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>142501172

Matt is not and has never been on social media. That helps a lot. When people were giving him grief for Morbius, he didn’t attack anyone like sone actors do. He just something like, Hey I’m not saving the world, it’s just a movie. I know it probably bothered him, he’s human. He finds out things 2nd hand, usually from his mom, who is on social media. I’m sure she edits out any material he can’t handle.