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House of the Dragon 2x03 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Thomas Corp

The thread of this episode of House of the Messy is, as you note, have things reached the point of no return, and how everyone is dealing with that. They hold out some hope that the one blood feud is not consequential, but the truth is known. Tis a good moment how they don’t know why the two families have feuded for as long as they have, though I suspect that when, uh, what was, oh, right, Ser Fucketh Around and Find Out killed the one guy at Rhaenyra’s dismal betrothal tour probably did not help matters much. Knew you would comment on him. And yes, it’s now again the nineties, we’re preaching about drugs, because that one guy dared, loved that joke, Jess, and I’m thankful I wasn’t drinking anything when you said it. A highlight how Rhaenys asserts that Otto would not have been the one to send the Kingsguard to assassinate Rhaenyra as ruthless though Otto can be, he’s too pragmatic to give the order to sanction such a reckless act, and as you note, she knows he’s over it. Likewise, I liked how she notes people are going to say war started at different spots. For instance, one could say it started when Rhaenyra lied to Alicent whilst swearing on the memory of her mother, then turned around and got Otto fired, thus demonstrating a monstrous violation of trust. You and me both, Jess, picking up what Rhaenys put down. I got so excited seeing in the credits the name Simon Russell Beale. Seeing Simon’s name in the credits, made me go, “Oh, Christ, I forgot I heard that he was going to be in this! Whoever he’s playing, I’m here for it!” So far, I am loving him in this. He had a great scene with the artist formerly known as Prince Daemon, now of course known as PRINCE Consort as we know a rogue such as him crept from the shadows will never be crowned King. Lovely to see horror settle upon Daemon’s brow when he sees the image of his niece and the baby he had killed, leading me to say, “Yes, look upon your work, you feckless fiend.” This combined with the other ominous and foreboding portents of doom and death, it seems Harrenhal is getting to the not so good prince some; he’s seeing things that are not there. Mayhaps, the prince could use a libation, and if so, he should visit Joe Turkel as he always keeps the Gold Room rather stocked for such occasions. We’re both worried about Helaena. It will be interesting to see how Larys continues to tug and pull Aegon in various directions. To be completely fair, a master of whisperers is a necessary and vital position to have, and objectively, Larys would be well suited. Especially when the advice is free, he gives and honest; Probal to thinking and indeed the course to better the Greens’ claim. (And if anyone believes that, stand on their head.) Certainly, you looked most enthused. Criston got the good moment of spotting the dragon. That was impressive. Team Green or Black, whatever side you’re on, he got an impressive moment there. Rhaenyra should know that Baela is not going to entirely heed her words. There’s too much of her father in her, which is exactly what Rhaenyra is afraid of. Speaking of Baela, I keep having to remind myself every time they say Baela’s name, that they don’t mean who my brain automatically thinks of, I say, “...Right, Baela, not Bela. Shame. He’d have been goddamn beautiful in this universe.” I feel I’m being an asshole in that Rhaenyra’s kids keep leaving not a single goddamn impression. Fucking Daeron makes more of an impression, and we haven’t even seen him yet. Still formulating thoughts and feelings on Rhaena, though I liked your thoughts. Similarly, I like how you like the highlighting the smallfolk. Of course, the big talking point is the big conversation between Alicent and Rhaenyra. I quite like how once Rhaenyra threatens Alicent with death, how Alicent has a genuinely befuddled, “I’m curious. After killing me, what is it you plan on doing next?” response, to which Rhaenyra processes that, and sheepishly has an “...I don’t know. I never thought I’d get this far.” type of response. Olivia and Emma, both killed it. Alicent cut Rhaenyra off as Rhaenyra was beginning to start to mash on what’s going to be a MASSIVE trigger for me, more specifically how she starts casting aspersions that Alicent schemed a long game, particularly with concern to Viesrys. My blood was starting to simmer on that one and I said, “Stop. Think. Reconsider. And do NOT speak of what you were about to say. Just a warning.” I derived far too much pleasure over Alicent striking the blow to Rhaenyra by asserting her belief that Viserys changed his mind, namely how she swears it on the memory of her mother. And unlike Rhaenyra, when Alicent says that, it means something. I hear you on they both heard things they needed to. And then the truth comes out from both parties, and the heart breaks. This whole business of this fabled prophecy of the one who will bring balance, you know, these things don’t have to be such big fucking secrets. And I agree with what you said, “This is the problem with so many Aegons.” and my brother’s thought of, “They should have just named Aegon Bob instead and we wouldn’t even be here.” Like I said, this show’s vindicated how my dad was always averse to giving junior names. The problem is that as Alicent said, it’s too late. And even with hearing Rhaenyra telling her about the alleged prophecy, she still holds onto her previous belief. She needs that to be real, because it justifies why all the bloodshed happened, and it can’t be for nothing. And Rhaenyra needs to believe that despite Daemon’s correct observation, she needs to believe that her father named her heir based on merit and not because it was to keep Daemon off the throne. That’s what the conversation proves, if it proves anything. It proves that they are desperately clinging to the realities that they’ve held onto. Realities that do not exist. Because everything is too far gone that war is inevitable, and they need their beliefs validated. And I swear, Jess, your reaction to the big scene was perfect, and hearing your post-episode thoughts, I said, “Uh, Jess. That was an honest, intelligent, well thought out and nuanced assessment in the situation, and Alicent and Rhaenyra’s response to it.” My gratitude to you for continuing to have the perfect approach to the show. Seriously, what you said was amazing. I loved all of it. Thank you for another outstanding reaction to House of the Messy, Jess.

Ryan
>>142433120

And of course, we know the whole time that the prophecy is bullshit anyway and Jon will just be crouching ineffectually behind a wall while his cousin does all the work. I really wish the show could somehow be more clear about whether that's deliberately another part of the tragedy of errors, because it just comes off kind of silly every time the Song of Ice and Fire gets talked about as this huge important thing.

Ed Green
>>142433120

I liked your comment, but I'd appreciate it if you could please introduce paragraphs after every 10th line or so. Unfortunately they aren't going to stop naming kids Aegon. There will be 3 more King Aegons after this one, and that's before we get to Jon, who Sam styled Aegon the 6th (VI). Not sure what you mean by 'Rhaenyra starts to mash on a trigger.' Perhaps I will after rewatching. Let's hope Daemon isn't reading these comments or he'd be demanding you change it to 'His Grace'.

Ed Green
>>142433120

I don't think a 200 years prequel is the best place to explore the canonicity of GoT season 8. The Jon Snow sequel, if it ever gets unshelved, would be a more natural place for that. I look at it one of two ways: either Jon's role as King in the North and bringing Dany to Winterfell was vital to giving Arya the chance, or there are more Night Kings out there and Jon hasn't fulfilled the prophecy yet. Of course the out-of-universe explanation is that the defeat of the White Walkers will make more sense if the last 2 books ever come out. Perhaps it will be a political settlement. Alternatively, I'm beginning to suspect at this point that A Dream of Spring has never been planned for real and is just a smokescreen to disguise the plan to have the series end with White Walker victory at the end of Winds of Winter.

Ryan

I have to start with how blown away I am by this show's production value. Stuff like slowly walking through Harrenhal and King's Landing is clearly just showing off, and who can blame them after the infamous budget issues of early GOT? If anyone doesn't remember, we technically met Gwayne last season, though he remained helmeted throughout losing a joust with Daemon so they didn't need an official actor until now. Freddie Fox has carved out a whole career of playing egomaniacal dipshits who eventually get some hard humbling, and while I suspect he'd prefer a career more like his father Edward (best known as the wily, utterly unflappable title character of the stone cold classic The Day of the Jackal), by now he's gotten this character down to such an exact science that his every facial and vocal inflection is a joy to watch. Fun as it was to meet a Targaryen bastard (and see your face throughout) I'm more intrigued by the return of Aegon's poor maid. Even having read the book, I have no idea where this could be going, and I certainly hope they'd bother getting the actress back for something more than her getting harassed some more. The show certainly seems to have taken complaints about the original show's gendered take of nudity to heart, so I have hope. Such a delightful surprise to see Milly Alcock again, and major kudos to keeping it from leaking until the episode aired. Can't wait to see her as Supergirl, especially if it takes cues from the My Adventures version.

Thomas Corp
>>142433120

Concerning how the prophecy appears to be misread, I do like the thought that’s deliberately another part of the tragedy of errors. It’s not even one of the less than a handful of grievances that I had with the final season of Game of Thrones, so I’m just waiting to see how it plays out. Addressing the introduction of paragraphs suggestion. I’ve tried to, but my brain obscenely rebels as it often does as I can never quite get the hang of it; too long since school years, I guess. I apologize if it is too irksome. The trigger I mentioned is more a personal thing. If it comes up again, I’ll likely vent some about it, but I’d rather not get into that right now. Supposing Daemon does read the comments, and it grievously wounds his fragile ego, I’d note, “I’m sorry, did Rhaneyra explicitly name you King? No. Did Rhaenys out right say, “Would that you were King.” whilst defying your commands? Yes. Meaning that you sir, are not King, so you need to put your big boy pants on and take the hit.” That might be true about A Dream of Spring. I love in the movie Logan Lucky how there’s the gag of a prison riot with the list of demands being the last three Game of Thrones books, and the warden has to patiently explain why they can’t acquire The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring.

Thomas Corp
>>142470086

I’m reminded some of the Prequel Trilogy where Lucas took advantage of cgi especially evolving to the point he could show off his creativity with the world building. I know the cgi is somewhat of a contentious issue with the fandom there, but I always have liked the ambition and creativity, and here I have a similar appreciation. I do remember Gwayne. Don’t recognize Freddie Fox, but he is good here. Way I have it from the rumblings from book readers, Dyana I believe her name is, is somewhat unique to the show, and everyone has a shared curiosity about what’s to come with her return. In terms of keeping an actor under wraps, recent examples that stood out to me are Ian McDiarmid in Obi-Wan, and Anthony Daniels in Ahsoka. Admittedly with Ian, I was convinced that I’d see him, saying, “Ian is going to appear as the Emperor. I’ve never been more certain of anything in my life.” With Milly Alcock, I’ve been anticipating that it would be likely to see her again in this show, Emily Carey, too. There is that ten year window we could have flashbacks, combined with how excellent both young ladies were, and how popular they were with the fans, I expect more, and if not, fine, but I think we will see both of them again. I confess I’m more curious about Milly as Supergirl than, uh, whoever was cast as Superman. I really need to make peace with how no one is going to even match Christopher Reeve as Superman. He is forever going to be the best and can never be surpassed, or even matched. I got a similar thing with no one is surpassing Michael Keaton and/or Kevin Conroy as Batman, nor is anyone surpassing Mark Hamill as the Joker, whom I still keep dreaming of him playing our good old Clown Prince of Crime in live action, even if I know it will more probably than not never happen. I’m also somewhat wary of Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor. Not that I don’t think he’ll be good, rather, it’s like Jesse Eisenberg in that I’d be more agreeable to him being Alexander Luthor rather than THE Lex Luthor, the greatest criminal mind of the century. That and I keep badly wanting Giancarlo Esposito as a live action Lex.

Ryan
>>142470086

Also Vincent D'Onofrio in Season 2 of Daredevil, at the height of the franchise's inability to keep the paparazzi away. Freddie Fox's first big role was King Louis in Disney's 1993 Three Musketeers film, with Kiefer Sutherland and Tim Curry. He recently made a big hit as King Hugo in The Great, Mark Thatcher in The Crown, and Spider Webb in Slow Horses.

Vanessa J McNamara

This is why you are my favourite reactor. You give me perspectives I may not thought of. I didn’t care for that last scene. It was reckless and Rhaenyra has been bordering on inaction way to long. Wow, I sound like Daemon lol. Still, I can see his point. Perhaps I am just waiting, not necessarily for the action, but for Rhaenerya to get ruthless. Not mad or uncontrolled, but with a little more teeth. Hopefully this will happen now that this meeting is out of the way. Personally I think having them learn the truth would have had more impact deep into the war. I can’t help it, I’m into Shakespeare tragedies (Othello is my favourite). But your comments about the acting reminded me that’s one of the reasons I love this show. Speaking of Shakespeare and great acting, the man playing Simon Strong is considered THE Theatre actor in England. In real life, he’s also a Sir Simon although I can’t think of his last name at the moment. I’m really curious as to where they are taking these Harrenhal scenes. I always enjoy your reactions and always love hearing your thoughts

Thomas Corp
>>142470086

I think you got Three Musketeers adaptations mixed up as I looked the guy up and he’s exactly two years older than me, and I was two when the Tim Curry Three Musketeers film came out. I do see he’s in the 2011 one. I haven’t seen that one nor any of the other things you listed.

Ryan
>>142470086

Right, that's the steampunk one by Paul W.S. Anderson which is so terrible my mind rebels at its existence.

Thomas Corp
>>142499975

The thoughts and perspectives that Jess brings up are some of the biggest highlights of why she is the best. Rhaenyra feels like she is somewhat stuck in an impasse. She doesn’t wish to descend into mad queen, yet like you note, she has been somewhat inactive, which people who have been loud about how they’ve read the books have indicated that’s not strictly speaking inaccurate to the book. At least, not right now. It is a delicate line that she’s walking. I could see arguments over when would have been the better time for the truth to have come out. The show went with it being this early, now we see how they work with that. Same here with loving Shakespearean tragedies. Shared favorite in Othello, largely for Iago, though the story is most excellent. Richard III is my favorite of Shakespeare’s work overall, both the play itself and the titular character. I’m gladdened to see someone else point out Simon Russell Beale who is SO good in anything I’ve seen him in. My brother and I particularly loved him in The Death of Stalin. One thing for sure with the Harrenhal plot, it’s sure to get spookier.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>142499975

Beale, that’s it, thanks! I could see his appeal right away. Richard the III is a good one. Iago is great.

Vanessa J McNamara
>>142433120

I’m afraid Winds of Winter may never come out either. I think the show has ruined it for him. Just a theory. Who the heck knows. He just writes vague things in his blog

Thomas Corp
>>142499975

Hadn’t seen it prior to you sharing the link. It is a good scene. Shame it got cut.