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Star Trek TNG 2x16 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2024-07-06 17:00:07
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Star Trek TNG 2x16 Full Reaction - Sesskasays

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Ryan

I truly can't fathom the experience of tuning in to this show on May 8, 1989, and seeing this episode. With the way the Borg have since become THE iconic villain of the franchise above all others, and truly worthy of being greeted with a lot of "Oh fuck"s, what was it like to encounter them for the first time here, having no expectations, and slowly learning just how malevolent and seemingly unbeatable they are? I was a couple months away from turning five years old, and just vaguely aware of the show as the other thing that the Reading Rainbow guy was doing, and by the time I had taken more of an interest in it, they were already well into that reputation, not least because of a certain thing they'll do in Season 3. When I did finally get back to this episode, what creeps me out most of all is the way they completely ignore the crew strolling around their ship, in absolute confidence that they'll be able to swat any attack like flies, so in the meantime there's no purpose to even acknowledging them. And then the crew only escapes at the end through a nigh-literal deus ex machina and we still have no clue how they could possibly survive another encounter without Q in the right mood. There were a few changes made to the idea of the Borg after this episode, most notably that they were intended here to be their own distinct species that simply uses cybernetic enhancements, which was quickly changed to basically being technology zombies who assimilate anyone they encounter. And of course, the downside to them becoming so popular is that they had to keep appearing, which meant the writers had to keep coming up with ways they could be defeated, which naturally led to them eventually becoming nowhere near as scary as they started out. That was actually a major lesson Ron Moore took when he made his Battlestar Galactica remake, which is why that show rarely presented the Cylons as a direct threat to the heroes, and whenever they were, there was a steep price to defeating them, as the best way to keep them from lapsing into what happened to the Borg.

Thomas Corp

Yes, Jess, that was a fucking episode if you do say so yourself. A Q episode and a Borg episode all in one, oh happy day. It has been a hot second since we last saw John as Q. Q does announce himself with a dramatic turn as you noted, which of course it’s dramatic. He’s Q. You expect anything less? I love how this episode solidifies one of the best parts of Q in that whilst he may be quite the mercurial trickster and an insane amount of fun, there is a darkness and danger to him. Well shown when he imparts the knowledge to the crew, and when he has the line, “Oh, PLEASE.” which John ad-libbed. It is a great moment when it’s established that Guinan and Q have had dealings, made more prominent that Q is startled by her, hinting that Guinan is like the Yoda to Q’s Palpatine. Now we come to the main event: the introduction of the beloved Borg. I knew, Jess, that going by past reactions and comments that you knew about the Borg. You spoke of prior knowledge here. My own was that I vaguely knew of them even before I got into this franchise. And the way the Borg was spoken of, you knew they were amongst the greatest threats in Star Trek. Such is their nightmarishly glorious reputation that your recognition of the Borg cube was instant, leading to the chorus of “Oh, FUCK!”s that you let out. LOVED both that moment and your acknowledgment of said moment. The terror is well shown through Whoopi’s standout performance in this episode where Guinan exhibits such cold dread over the Borg, which is why she advises vamoosing as fast as possible. Unfortunately, curiosity wins out, leading you and everyone for that matter to call out our heroes. This is also operating under the assumption that Q would have let them leave. It is breathtakingly good, your reaction to the Borg in this. You admit to being scared to the point that your heart was racing. The terror of the Borg is quite potent. It gets me some. Watching this, I’m nervous. And it takes a lot to scare me. I love the sensation. You highlight how the big scary thing is how the Borg barely acknowledges our heroes. To them our heroes are little more than dust motes in a storm, a grain upon the beach. And their might is so great that Picard has to table his pride to beg Q to save them; Patrick sells the moment well. LOVED your reaction to when Q departs with the line about them not being able to handle a bloody nose. A callous response to the death of eighteen people. But then again, one of those people was that Engineer Logan asshole from last season. I KNOW you would not be broken up about that given his anti-Geordi behavior. And how they discuss the potential merits of this. Guinan notes how the encounter wouldn’t have happened until long in the future, and now that it has happened, the Borg will be coming. And you and Picard recognizes the benefit of that in now they can begin to prepare for when it happens. And indeed, my thought is if this hadn’t happened, by the time the Borg would descend, their power would be unstoppable. By snapping his fingers to spin them in the Borg’s direction giving them the bloody nose, it will rouse the beings of the Federation from their stupor and lead them to glory. I call that...mercy. Briefly discussing Sonya, her and Geordi’s scenes were quite sweet. I anticipated you would like Sonya and find her relatable. Yes, you do chatter away at times, Jess, but I love it as you exhibit your sharp and keen mind, and it makes for such wonderful videos. As to the yard work. Didn’t hear any of the possible yard work until you mentioned it. And even if I did, I’m just too engrossed in your reaction to pay it any mind. I hear you though on how you suspect it wasn’t yard work given the extended duration of time it has been transpiring. A month or so ago, the street I live on got repaved and that was obscenely fucking loud and intrusive driving me up a goddamn wall, so I feel your pain. In any event, it did not detract from this MAGNIFICENT reaction that I loved SO much, Jess, thank you.

Dave Hampton

I am glad you had not seen this one. If I remember right, you have seen all of (?) Voyager and much more recently than the few TNG episodes you have seen a lot of. Since you have seen all/most of Voyager, you know of the Borg. I like seeing your reaction to THE introduction of the Borg to the franchise already having knowledge of them and that they are a big deal. I really like the ensign at the beginning of this episode as well. There is a few more things I want to say about this episode, but it would be spoilers about expectations for the show, so I won't. You are usually at least one episode ahead so I will say (and stop reading here if you have not seen the next episode) that I am excited about your reaction to the next episode based on your love of certain character(s).

Ziro the Hutt

Some episodes and stories of TNG early on, can feel like they threw something at the wall and see if they stick - especially those pesky Wesley episodes "oh he's a 24th century Mozart...", yuck. However I don't know if the Borg were planned from the off to be the new main villains, though they do bring in the Romulans and later Cardassians for all of that as well; but its pretty well breadcrumbed up until this episode, especially when they bring back what happened to those outposts in season 1, that no one knows who or what wiped them all out, and we see that it was likely the Borg here. That sets them up already as something to be feared, and you do immediately feel on edge seeing them be this unstoppable - for now - foe, that "They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!" or in this case absorbed into the collective. I was a bit young to fully remember this episode, though I did watch the show when it aired (and went to a Star Trek convention at this show's height - I bought a mug of the Enterprise-D!), though remember the famous double parter later, that we all do those who have seen the show, or know anything about Star Trek. The Borg reminded me of some species in the mighty Babylon 5 a few years later, the Vorlons and Shadows; who for millions of years fought battles on and off when the Shadows would resurface every 1000 years or so to wipe out lesser civilisations and the Vorlons felt it their duty to try to protect those newer races. Chaos and order. In that show, you felt that those races were so ancient and so far ahead of the rest of the species, humans included, that we were to them, as ants are to us. Babylon 5 also echoed Star Trek here in that we humans had the potential, despite our issues and impatience, to one day become as wise and as powerful as the Vorlons or other first races. Ironically now, I've been watching a Netflix series called The 3 Body Problem (featuring Rosalind Chao, who plays O'Brian's wife Keiko here), where we are getting invaded, and I side with the aliens wanting to obliterate us, such is the mess we are doing to ourselves and our planet. I've lost that hope that Gene Roddenberry had for the original idea of Star Trek. Anyway, back to the episode. I think we can all see that Q does give our crew a much needed kick up the arse to warn them that there are others out there whom they should definitely stay away from, though by throwing them into the hands of the Borg, will set up a chain of events that will cause devastation in the Alpha Quadrant in a few years. I wonder if Q is kind of based on Odin or Zeus, chief deities always getting up to shenanigans and causing issues for us mortals. Picard in his speech to Q isn't arrogant, or showing hubris, but there is pride in his remarks, and he sees the error of his ways later, at the cost of those 18 lives. The zoom out on the shot of the interior of the Borg ship is indeed terrifying, as is seeing how those cute little babies will become one of these! While we know where this all leads now, this would have had millions dwelling on this episode back when it aired, wondering what was to come, and was a great way to keep watching the show, for those who hadn't fully embraced it (and I believe it didn't really start getting the big viewing numbers until season 3 at that). On your babbling Jess, no you are a great reactor, you generally let episodes breathe, without talking over dialogue when you can, always come across as engaging in your reactions, and I'm one of those that love lengthy post-reaction thoughts anyway - so babble away! :D

Josef Schiltz

Not to worry, Jess. Language excused. As for Q, he is a SOTFW.