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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)

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Thomas Corp

You said, “You know, I really love my makeup getting ruined in the first five minutes of like a two-and-a-half-hour movie reaction.” knowing what was to come, which would undoubtedly, and indeed, did induce tears upon tears, I grimly replied, “I’m sorry, old friend.” I liked this about as well as the first. Which, at the risk of getting murdered, I wasn’t as crazy about it as everyone else was. It was good, it just, the overwhelming hype sort of undermined it is all I’m saying. You know, I haven’t even seen the first film in almost seven years. This one, it matches about the same enjoyment level. It pleases me to see you loved this. Going into this, you knew about as much as I did. Start with the elephant in the room that was the unavoidable spoiler. The death of T’Challa. You already pretty much knew it would be in the plot going in, and it was so obvious that people at work just casually mentioned it two years ago. And probably it was in the trailers, which I never did see any trailers for this, now I think about it. Did not know the film’s opening scene was the death itself, “starting off with pain” as you put it, so that surprise remained intact. The film very respectfully handled Chadwick’s death. Broke my heart a bit seeing how it got you as badly as it did; I wanted to give you a hug on that one, Jess. Gets you too, the silent Marvel logo with the footage of Chadwick, makes a man take a breath and say, “...damn.” Grief is definitely the undercurrent, on and off camera and they tackle it well. Particularly strongly highlighted with Shuri going through her grief and the desire for revenge, which just slowly poisons her soul. To the point that it leads to Shuri almost becoming a Paul Muad’dib where she’s quite happy to let Namor burn, his people burn, until from the sound of it, only the world itself will satisfy her. Made me ask, “And then what? When all the dust settles, what then? Say the next Thanos arrives, what then? How do you protect your glorious revolution from the next one?” It is nice, therefore to see M’Baku, Nakia, and you trying to make Shuri listen to reason. And ultimately, Queen Ramonda succeeds in getting through to her daughter. Bringing us to the fact of Angela Bassett being goddamn amazing, which, no surprise there, like you said. I know Angela was a heavy favorite to win the Oscar for this, which yes, she was nominated. That one big scene where Angela, as you described, just POURED the pain she feels, that alone earned the nomination. Jesus Christ did Angela and Danai both destroy people’s emotions there. I knew your reaction to the scene, Jess, would crack my heart wide open. I was right. Resultingly, people are mad that Angela did not win the Oscar. All fairness, that was a stacked category, and the question of who I was pulling for: I could have made a case for any of the terrific ladies in that category that year. They were all too good. As it is, Angela lost to Jamie Lee Curtis, who the two of them, I was more hung up on how neither of them had ever won one before that Oscars. Which brings me to my real disappointment of how I’m less upset about Angela’s loss here, magnificent performance though it is, and more upset about how she does not have her long overdue competitive Oscar. I would say she had it in the bag for her beyond phenomenal portrayal of Rosa Parks, but that was a made for television film, and I recently discovered that she didn’t even win the Emmy, nor was she even nominated for the Golden Globe. Fucking bullshit. Hence, the unfairness abounds long before her Oscar loss here. All that said, I get why people were pissed off about Angela losing for this specifically as she was terrific, though she always is. It is most saddening to lose Queen Ramonda, and your reaction to her death got me. She had a hell of a last stand, not even blinking at the spear move. And she has our respect, how she uses the last of her strength to ensure Riri’s survival. Christ, it says something when even Killmonger is impressed by that. Speaking of Killmonger, I think I heard something about his cameo before seeing the film. Nice to see you were unspoiled, and that you quite liked his scene. Sorry to say my enjoyment of Killmonger is not at the level of yours and by all accounts everyone loved him a lot more than I did, solid villain though he is. And it brings me to my criticism of how with Namor, that we have yet another recent MCU film where we have an intriguing enough villain, and they don’t fucking get satisfactory time and focus, even with the film being nearly three goddamn hours long. I’m reaching my wit’s end with this horseshit. It’s obscene. You had great observations on Namor, I will say. I have the reverse opinion of the big complaint that I guess everyone else had, and that is everyone wanted less of the Contessa. Me, I need so much more of Julia as that character, but I do know that there is more on the horizon. Hilarious to learn that she was married to Ross, which leads to the mental image of them being next door neighbors to the Griswolds, and it cracks me up. I assume that whilst on the run, he got taken by the Skrulls. I’d also hope we get more Richard Schiff down the road, as he felt severely underused, love how you called him Toby upon seeing him. Knew that you would look forward to more of Danai as Okoye. You mention she’s probably in your top five of characters of the MCU. Again, Jess, you’re a better person than I am as my top five’s Thanos, Red Skull, Nebula, Agatha Harkness, and Kingpin. Say we include Doc Ock and the Green Goblin, then they’d knock everybody down a spot. Dr. Zola is up there as well. Vulture too. Interesting coincidence you and Okoye sporting the same makeup. Fenty, I think you said, and the closed captions said? I don’t know jack shit about makeup, so I’ll take your word and assume it’s good stuff. Riri made a solid debut. You’re more on the ball than I am with the Ironheart business, because I didn’t fucking know anything about it, and had to look up about that afterwards. Something to look forward to, as you noted. Other notes of interest. You expressed the reminder of your fear of deep-water scenes, made me note, “Oh, boy.” knowing what was coming. Though you handled it well, all things considered. You express appreciation for the music, namely the songs. Yeah, I’m just an out of touch old man in a Millennial body with the music as the songs are not sticking, nor do I even know who sang anything. Then there was the ending with T’Challa’s son which got you right in the heart. See the kid having the same name as his dad, you got emotional, me, learning that made me say, “Well... That’s just a House of the Messy type of deal waiting to happen somewhere down the line.” In any case, a solid film that as I said, I’m glad that you loved. Seeing this film, I’m down to Shang-Chi, Guardians Volume Three, and The Marvels, plus the films due out in this upcoming year of the MCU films that I’ve yet to see. Until then, thank you for the very emotional reaction, Jess. Apologies about the headache.

Ryan
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The trailer was one of the most emotional I've seen for obvious reasons, but the biggest impact it had was including Ramonda's line about having lost her entire family, which got a lot of people worried that Shuri would die (I just figured it was from a flashback to the five years of the Snap, so we were both wrong). Namor is mainly associated with the Fantastic Four in the comics, so I'd guess his appearance here is more about building for that movie. I also distinctly remember a bunch of Namor-starved fans insisting the mention of an underwater earthquake in Endgame was foreshadowing for him, which is about on the same level as the people who thought Peter Dinklage was confirming Tyrion was a secret Targayen when he called Nikolaj his "brother from another mother." I'm just now finishing up what is seriously one of the greatest and most unputdownable books ever, One Hundred Years of Solitude, and anyone who's planning to write a story where multiple characters have the same name should read it as a lesson in how to do it properly.

Ryan

Oh good, I was just thinking I could use some surprise emotional devastation today. So, there's no use pretending any of us can look at this movie in a vacuum, and it permanently carries the responsibility of serving as a way to transition the MCU out of losing our friend, our inspiration, our hero Chadwick Boseman. I'm surprised how little it's discussed in how the franchise is supposedly dead now how many huge blows it had to deal with right after Endgame, with COVID destroying the planned schedule (if it seems weird that Ned can suddenly make portals in No Way Home, that's because America Chavez was already supposed to be established so she could serve that role), the actor for the new main villain getting Gina Carano'd, and the loss of Chadwick. It makes you wonder if Feige spent a while screaming like the Riddler, "This isn't how it was supposed to be!" Watching the first Black Panther is a whole different experience knowing that he was already being seriously affected by the cancer (and I have to wonder if this is why the movie was structured to take T'Challa out of action for a significant chunk of screen time), and I'm sure we all remember that moment of "This must be a joke. It HAS to be" just like people have been feeling for the at least one huge star in the prime of life who's suddenly struck down in every decade back to Rudolph Valentino. Marvel was in a no-win situation here and was going to piss off a lot of people no matter what they did, and after a lot of thinking it over, I do support the direction they went in. After the close relationships this whole cast and crew formed with Chadwick, asking them to keep going with a new actor like nothing happened is unthinkable to me, and that real grief is all over this film. But what is grief if not love persevering? And there's definitely a lot of love to be found here too. It was a stroke of genius to deliberately build this story around everyone feeling a giant T'Challa shaped hole just like the audience would be sensing in the story. My best guess is that this same basic framework was intended for a Black Panther sequel, with Shuri's role simply being her kidnapping, and it's much appreciated that they took the time to rewrite her taking over the lead role into something that made sense for her rather than the Dark of the Moon route of just swapping out the names in the script. I'd also imagine the whole thing of being tempted into darkness was added for Shuri; in particular I have a very hard time imagining T'Challa taking her place in the scene with Killmonger. And that's a time-honored direction to take a seemingly incorruptible hero (Bruce Timm and Paul Dini have spoken at length that a big part of Darkseid's appeal is how he does it to Superman), but still fits much better with Shuri. One of the biggest stories to come out of the movie was Angela Bassett being the first MCU actor to get an Oscar nomination, and much like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, it's hard not to feel like the nomination was honor enough for how little these kinds of films get that notice from the awards. And I guess it's now a rule that all her movies need to have a cameo from a CNN reporter? I like to think Wolf Blitzer did some strutting around, saying "I got to play Benji Dunn. And with all those Marvel characters to choose from, I'm sure they found a good one for you, huh, Anderson?" You of course can't do a Black Panther movie without the Tolkien White Guy, and this time he comes along with more of the saga of Selina Meyer's continued reign of terror after faking her death. It's perhaps in questionable taste to put this particular arc in this kind of tribute movie, but I find I just can't say no when the execution is this good. I just wish we could have seen T'Challa put his lessons from Black Jeopardy to use and tell her to keep her bland-ass potato salad to herself. I was surprised how much of a typical MCU movie this ended up being, but there's definitely enough tribute material here to satisfy me, and make me look forward to where this part of the MCU can go.

Thomas Corp
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Ah, what’s life without some surprise emotional devastation? The franchise did get hit hard after Endgame. The restructuring of the schedule did have the timing of Black Widow coming out at a time when the catharsis from that was appreciated, and the end of the year, the MASSIVE catharsis of No Way Home, Hawkeye too. The tears were BAD in all three cases, and I needed it. You say Feige sounding like the Riddler, yet I read the quote, and I got stuck hearing Nute Gunray. Whilst perhaps not at the same level of emotional devastation for me personally, Chadwick’s death was like Alan Rickman where the one thought was, “...I didn’t even know he was sick.” Shortly after, you learned he kept it secret, and you respected that. It was about as much of a curveball as Heath Ledger’s death, I still remember coming home from school and learning about that one coming up seventeen years ago. I will say that I really loved Chadwick in 42, and hearing he got cast as Black Panther, realized that I knew him from 42, and I thought that that was really damn good casting. And I also do feel like a shitheel in that when people were distraught over T’Challa getting dusted, I kept saying, “Black Panther just made a billion dollars at the box office! He’s coming back somehow! We’ll see him again! Stop crying!” The no-win situation, I just kind of knew that they couldn’t Darrin (or, well, I guess Dumbledore would be the more appropriate comparison) Black Panther, and there’s no logical explanation to give as to how he’s still alive and we just never see him again. So, they had to kill the character. And they did it very respectfully by, as you say they, “deliberately build this story around everyone feeling a giant T’Challa shaped hole just like the audience would be sensing in the story.” I heard that there were early drafts that were going to focus on T’Challa grieving for his lost years due to the Snap. I, too, would imagine that the whole thing of being tempted into darkness was added for Shuri as that time honored tradition fits her character better. I’m with the writers on Darkseid by the way. The nomination for Angela itself was honor enough. As I said, everyone in that category that year was all deserving of the win, so I was just happy with whoever did win, whilst agreeing with people who say it’s bullshit that Angela has no competitive Oscar. Because it is. Good note on the CNN business. Of course, you had the Iron Man movies where Jim Cramer and fucking Bill O’Rielly have quick news cameos. I think Elon Musk pops up in Iron Man 2, though I would wager that lots of fans would prefer to forget about that. I caught something about how Selina Meyer was planned for this long before we ever saw her in the MCU, and that her role actually got trimmed down to what we got. It does clash in this kind of tribute movie, but Julia as this character, I am relishing too much to care. And poor Ross, when she gets vicious, having to yell at her, “You’re KILLING independent Wakanda, Val!!” I wouldn’t call her bland-ass, but yeah, that would have been hilarious if Chadwick were still alive to say that to her. The film feeling like a typical MCU film, that happens to me with a few of these, and even then, it’s the thing of it is still reasonably entertaining; good popcorn pictures. And there are the times where even if it does feel like garden variety MCU fare, they can have some elements to it that help make it better, such as the tribute material here really does help balance out the parts that get too MCU heavy. There is curiosity as to where the Wakanda plot goes from here.

PhillyJ

I kind of liked that you split it up. it allowed me to watch it like episodes of a series.