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Rebels 2x17/2x18 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

There was some controversy over whether that was supposed to actually be Anakin doing a Force projection. Filoni eventually made an official statement that it was all Yoda, and in Ahsoka's case it was forcing her to accept what she'd already subconsciously figured out, rather than just realizing it here.

Saltire

Chopper likes to go in close and personal for the kill! He also asks 'do we really want Zeb back?' - he still hasn't forgiven Zeb for the betting incident! :D When Kallus left that moon, he didn't truly escape the cold. Its confirmed that the Empire didn't come for him, and it was a passing trader ship that found his distress call; hence why he was a bit dejected when Admiral Konstantin gives him the cold shoulder when he finally got back. Its a complete contrast from the warmth of the reunion Zeb got from his adopted family. Tarkin in season 1 mentions about our Ghost crew being more principled than other rebel cells, in that they don't take life needlessly (well unless Chopper is around!!!); and he's meaning cells like Saw Gerrera's bunch. That image of the lasat wandering through the smoke and fire, taking out Kallus's crew one by one and leaving him alive to witness it, is vivid and haunting. It probably formulated a hatred of lasat's from him, hence his earlier needling of Zeb about what happened on Lasan. The Geonosians getting wiped out from the Empire, approximately 100 billion of them, to cover up, well we saw what it was in Attack Of The Clones. They were formidable enemies in the Clone Wars, and developed tech for the Separatists, built the tanks and battle droids for them, as well as other nefarious plans Sidious would have post-war; so while they weren't exactly 'good', they were an enemy to be respected, and they didn't deserve that fate. Another world wiped out, like Lasan, Mandalore and Alderaan, by the Empire.

Saltire

Onto the second episode, Ezra and Kanan teaming up again well at the start, once again showing they are progressing as fighters at least, and Ezra again showing an affinity with animals. Chopper not coming in until the coast is clear at the start, Kanan can read him like a book, he's not getting shot up for no one! :D Ezra mentioning to Ahsoka what Kanan said about Anakin being the greatest warrior the Jedi had in the Clone Wars, kind of reminds me of that little tyke Petro, in the youngling arc, who clearly idolised Obi-Wan (don't we all!!); and I think amongst the younger Jedi at the temple then, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Ahsoka - who was as we've now seen, the most talented padawan of her generation - were seen as kind of a glamorous dream team for the temple younglings, as they'd mainly always be in the thick of the war, fighting Grievous, Dooku and Ventress, and pretty much always get the job done. Ezra here sees that Anakin must have been a hero whilst Ahsoka tells him what he was like as a friend and mentor. Again when this aired, the last time people had seen Ahsoka, was when she was leaving the order and Anakin, so for her to mention here that she met him for the last time, just as he was rushing off to save the Chancellor, kind of blew fans away, as they hadn't seen that, and all sorts of thoughts went through people's heads about where Ahsoka was during Episode III. Obviously now with season 7 of TCW done, that line ties in beautifully with what we saw. ts interesting that Ahsoka has worked with Bail here for about a dozen years at this point helping seed rebel cells, yet he doesn't tell her that Obi-Wan and Yoda are very much alive. He trusts her as he trusts them, but their path is different from Ahsoka's. Ahsoka probably would have been able to open the temple without forcing it open unlike the Inquisitors later, and I think it would have admitted her without issue, but I believe she is just being respectful. Kanan getting his ascension to Jedi Knight is awesome. The Grand Inquisitor taunts him earlier in the fight, saying 'is this the limit of your knowledge?'; this I think says that although Kanan passed his Trial Of Courage/Strength when defeating the Grand Inquisitor in season 1, that he still has much to learn, even if he is knighted. He wouldn't be a Jedi Knight at the height of the Jedi Order, due to that lack of knowledge, but these are different times, as you note Jess he is still doubtful that he is good enough to be a Jedi, and I think this is the force telling him he is on the right path as it knows its important to him that he can make it, as one. The Grand Inquisitor was once a Jedi Knight Temple Guard then before his fall. Dave Filoni stated he reckoned that he was present as one of the guards at Ahsoka's trial, before his fall as the Sith overran the temple and decimated the order. This isn't him (or his force ghost) at the Jedi Temple though, merely a force vision; the GI died a coward in fear. However because there is a connection to Kanan with him, and with Kanan overcoming him, its fitting that a representation of him Knights Kanan. There we have it then, after all the portents about Anakin turning, and Ahsoka not believing them, or being in denial about it; she can deny it no longer, and must accept that Anakin has become Vader. You feel for her as the true weight of that insight, hits her. As Vader says here, his master will be most pleased with this discovery. At the start of the season, Minister Tua mentions that the Emperor is seeking something from Lothal, and discovering a hitherto unknown Jedi Temple is NOT good news! Yoda waving to Ahsoka is heartwarming. He did not like one bit how Ahsoka got treated by the High Council, its one of his great regrets as he is fond of her; but he knows that she needs no guidance now, she is master of her own destiny and a light throughout the galaxy. And yes Padawans of this time, are more in danger of veering towards the darkside, due to them having life experiences before they get trained. Even Luke is drawn towards the darkside as he defeats Vader in ROTJ and once again in the sequels when he has a vision about what Ben Solo is becoming. Ezra must overcome his anger, pride (I don't need protecting) and impatience if he is to become a Jedi Knight.

Thomas Corp

As you say, two most absolutely amazing episodes today. Start with the first one. First, I loved your reaction to seeing Rex again. Likewise, loved your encouragement of Chopper, by saying, “Chopper’s going to FUCK HIM UP!” I said in response, “Well, I’d be disappointed if he didn't.” Also, you mention how we probably shouldn’t be encouraging Chopper. A well-intentioned sentiment, though I suspect something of a fruitless one as I SERIOUSLY doubt our dear recalcitrant pedal-bin needs all that much encouragement to commit wanton violence and murder. The forced team-up of Zeb and Kallus is great. It feels like The Defiant Ones meets The Thing, and it is excellent. Steve Blum and David Oyelowo were so great in their scenes together. I loved you going through tumultuous and conflicting feelings that you were not expecting to feel. I love how the episode ended where you are left with feeling sympathy for a character you were not expecting to feel sympathy for. The second episode opened with a bang. I have a wonderful mental image of Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr both being in stitches over the trash-talk/semi-flirtatious bantering back-and forth between the Seventh Sister and Kanan. It tears into your heart the scene of Ahsoka talking about Anakin with Ezra. I love the revisiting of the Jedi temple on Lothal, and how evocative it is of Indiana Jones. Oh, and speaking of Indiana Jones, for the record, the fifth and final film, I loved it. Quite possible I would be in the minority on that opinion, I don’t care. My mom and I both enjoyed it tremendously. It was wonderful to see. A great experience. The visions that Kanan goes through are startling, not least of all because of the Grand Inquisitor from his days as a Sentinel. Your reaction to that reveal and Kanan being knighted, with dialogue pulled straight from Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars I might add, was a striking moment of your reaction, especially the look in your eyes at that part. I loved that you loved Kanan’s declaration about Ezra. Fantastic to see Yoda again, and your reaction was delightful. It’s actually refreshing seeing the reaction to Yoda that doesn’t comment on his appearance. Lots of fans saw him in this, and said, “Jesus, what happened to your face?” It was profound to hear Yoda speak of the emotional devastation the Clone Wars wrought upon the Jedi, and Frank Oz delivered it to perfection. And as you saw, Ol’ Yoda continues to be cryptic just saying to find Malachor, and nothing else. You asked if you knew Malachor. You do not, Jess, I do. I had a stroke hearing it mentioned, saying, “Malachor!? As in, the planet!? As in visiting it’s an option, it’s still intact!?” and I became deviously excited by the implications. Now to the big scene of Ahsoka and Anakin, and your perfect reaction to that. You are correct that Ahsoka knew before that moment. It’s less denial (Not just the river in Egypt) and more not being ready to face the horrible, HORRIBLE truth. Ashley Eckstein and Matt Lanter shatter one’s heart into pieces in that scene. And going back to Indiana Jones, that bit where Ahsoka sees Yoda waving to her, again your reaction to that being perfect, that scene was pure Last Crusade, and seeing it this time especially after seeing the fifth and final Indiana Jones film, made me weep my eyes out. Now Darth Vader and the Inquistors have found the temple. Vader himself notes that the Emperor will be most pleased with this, and if I know the Emperor, which I like to think I do, I know that dear old Sheev will have quite the time vivaciously plundering the temple and all its secrets therein. Thank you, Jess, so very, very much for this absolutely amazing reaction to these two most absolutely amazing episodes of Rebels, it was so perfect.

Thomas Corp
>>112163161

Yeah, the fear from seeing the Lasat mercenary coldly murdering his fellow men would make a hell of an impression. Namely a tremendous amount of fear, which leads to anger, and the anger leading to a powerful hate. Of course the Empire would have to take out Geonosis given their small moon shaped secret. It’s as the saying goes, “Three people can keep a secret when two of them are dead.” Very much a horrifying act.

Thomas Corp
>>112163184

It is interesting to see the legacy of our trio of heroes from the Clone Wars have the continued influence on Kanan and Ezra. That scene does hit differently upon seeing the completed final arc of The Clone Wars. I think there is some level of pragmatism on Bail’s part, though like you say, Ahsoka’s path is different. Yeah, with Ahsoka, it’s like how Rafa said, “Let me level with you. You might not think of yourself as a Jedi, but you act like one. Or at least how I want them to be.” I do like your thought of Ahsoka being respectful. Gah, this episode is so good!

Ryan
>>112163184

It’s also great to see Yoda openly acknowledge that the Jedi Council had fallen from their purpose and made serious mistakes that let the Empire rise. Of all the criticisms you can give the prequels, that always struck me as a deliberate story point, and I love seeing the franchise run with it.

Ryan
>>112168130

I honestly have no idea what all these people giving Dial of Destiny negative reviews were expecting from an Indiana Jones movie. Especially the ones calling Wombat unlikable for the exact same things several of Indy’s other sidekicks have done, and I wonder what the difference is (I mean, I know what it is, I just want to hear them say it). My one big complaint, to avoid spoilers, is that the very first major black character in the franchise really should have had a different role.

Thomas Corp
>>112168130

Best I can figure is that people are going in expecting, wanting, and/or insisting that Dial of Destiny be just as good as if not better than their favorite entry of the original three films, and it’s just setting the film up for failure. I went into it knowing it was never going to top the original three, yet I went into it thinking I’m going to have fun with it; just enjoy it. Like I said, my mom and I loved it; we cheered, we laughed, we cried. I’ve seen the backlash Phoebe Waller-Bridge is getting, and it pisses me off because like you said, you know why it’s happening, and it’s infuriating and tiresome. I thought Phoebe's character was great, and John gave her a lovely theme which I enjoyed. The one big complaint you mentioned, yeah, that’s fair.

Ryan
>>112168130

There’s been some talk from Disney about giving her a spin-off, whether movies or a show, which I’d be totally down for just because of how it would piss the right people off. Bonus if they get Short Round in there.

Thomas Corp
>>112168130

Yeah, if she got her own show, I would not be opposed to it, particularly as you say, a bonus would be that it would piss the right people off. I DEFINITELY would want Short Round to have his own show, or maybe the two of them would be the stars of a theoretical spin-off show/film series. I’ll take anything of Ke Huy Quan coming back as Short Round.

Ryan
>>112168130

It really helps that despite all his efforts to get better opportunities for Asian actors, he’s clearly still very proud of the role and grateful to Spielberg for getting his career started. So seeing what he could do with a more thoughtfully written version of Short Round would really be something.

Saltire
>>112163161

Yeah. Zeb's design can work against him in this show as he does look rather warm, avuncular and cuddly! Even in Mando he had a few more wrinkles and all I wanted to do was buy him beer all night for being such a legend! :D However seeing other Lasat's like Jaro Tapal as a Jedi Master in Jedi : Fallen Order as Cal's master; man he is terrifying; even without him being an experienced space wizard, he and Zeb are 7 foot, 30 stone muscly tiger men, and one of these coming at you would almost be as scary as Chopper chasing you down!!

Saltire
>>112163184

Yeah it is interesting how much Ahsoka still distances herself from the Jedi Order, though not the Jedi Arts and religion. I have a theory we may see her return to the Jedi in her series as she has to let go of all that baggage she carries with her about what happened. I haven't seen any trailers for it, so am totally in the dark, even if I know about some things and people who will show up (cue organ!). Yoda has had a lot of time to reflect on what happened, and there is a lot of sadness in his voice as he speaks about how the order got consumed by the darkside. I wonder how he coped immediately after going into exile on Dagobah, we saw how even Obi-Wan struggled for years on Tatooine by the guilt about all that happened.

Saltire
>>112168130

I haven't seen The Defiant Ones (The Thing is a classic though), but the Zeb and Kallus teamup reminds me of Enemy Mine, Hell In The Pacific (with the great Toshiro Mifune who George Lucas originally wanted cast as Obi-Wan) or even a few episodes of Star Trek : TNG. All great stuff about enemies having to work together to survive. I do love the nod back to the Gendy Clone Wars with the Knighting ceremony (oh how I wanted Captain Fordo to be canon!). I'll always defend Yoda's Rebels look too, as its closer to his Empire Strikes Back look, than that frog thing they did in Clone Wars. And yes, finding out Malachor is canon made a lot of us very happy indeed! We'll get to all that soon enough though. :)

Saltire
>>112168130

As for Indy, I have heard some solid stuff about it from those that don't nitpick everything, and I quite fancy it myself. Its got to be better than Crystal Skull surely!

Thomas Corp
>>112168130

The Defiant Ones, I recommend seeing. Tony Curtis and Sidney Poitier are so excellent in it. Those are good comparisons you made yourself. Fordo being canon is a most agreeable idea. Nice to see you’re ok with Yoda’s look in this as well. Yes, I was VERY happy with Malachor being canon once more. Concerning Indiana Jones, yeah, Crystal Skull does end up being last, and I’ll still stick up for it as I enjoyed it each time that I saw it in the theater when it came out the summer when I was seventeen. Looking back on it fifteen years later, yeah, it hasn’t aged especially well as I perhaps would have liked, and the complaints and problems people had/still have with it are much more apparent to me now than they were then. Even so, the things that I loved about it outweigh the less than spectacular/things that make you say, “Ok, that’s getting just a wee bit too silly here guys, come on.” Dial of Destiny, in my ranking of the films, makes its way above Crystal Skull. I highly recommend catching it in the theater if you have the chance.

Thomas Corp
>>112163161

Yeah, Zeb is indeed the type of guy you just want to hang out with and buy him a cold one or two or three all night long.

Thomas Corp
>>112163184

Ahsoka’s arc in the show is sure to be interesting. It is possible she could more formally rejoin the Jedi. Yeah, curious to explore Yoda’s early days-years on Dagobah and how he coped.

Saltire
>>112168130

Might look The Defiant Ones out then, always like the oldie films. Been going through a lot of the forties through seventies British war films in the last few weeks, so always on the lookout for a classic I haven't seen. Poitier was great in anything, Curtis less so, he was more a star - however he did give one of the best acting performances I've ever seen in The Boston Strangler. I've only seen Crystal Skull that once at the cinema. I do remember loving the first part of the film, especially Ray Winstone being added in, and Cate Blanchett is the best actor currently working imo (and linking that to here funnily enough, a character we are about to meet soon was based upon her design in Skull). That last part though I couldn't believe they did it - you went over the top George! I remember us walking out of there and we didn't say a word for 20 mins, just flabbergasted by that ending. Will give Indy 5 a go though, always have time for Harrison Ford in pretty much anything anyway.

Thomas Corp
>>112168130

Hope you enjoy The Defiant Ones if you get to it. Yeah, Ray Winstone was great in Crystal Skull. Cate Blanchett, superbly wonderful actress that she is was fantastic as Irina. Love John’s theme for her too. More on the Rebels character soon. And of course, John Hurt was a delight to see in that. And I loved the return of Karen Allen as dear Marion. The climax of Crystal Skull yeah was a bit much. I was never even all that bothered by it as the film was more an homage to the fifties’ sci-fi B-movies, and even then, I still get people not being crazy about it. The bit with the swinging on vines with the monkeys was the part that stood out as the silliest part to me back then and more so now. When you get to Dial of Destiny, I hope you like it.

Ryan
>>112163184

I immediately took note that she doesn't seem to have any issue with being called a Jedi again in The Mandalorian. And sure, some of that's probably just to avoid confusing the people meeting her for the first time, but it has to have some canon meaning too.