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It's me, Colin. In my lengthy experience covering PlayStation professionally, I've had the pleasure of speaking with and interviewing legendary Sony executive Shuhei Yoshida many times. But today, I'm pleased to present you our very first chat in more than eight years. (Indeed, I approached him to talk with me because so many of you asked me to. So thank you for that.) Shu and I touched on a lot of things here, far too many to list. Some points of interest: Thoughts on Sony's pursuit of games-as-a-service, Jim Ryan's seeming ultimatum to go indie or leave, the process of both buying and shutting down first party studios, whether the abandonment of PlayStation-published shooters at the beginning of the PS4 generation was a mistake, future potential for a PlayStation All-Stars-like product, details on Sucker Punch's cancelled game Prophecy and Santa Monica's cancelled untitled sci-fi title, why Sony never purchased Quantic Dream, the perceived loss of the brand's Japanese identity, and much more. There's a whole lot in here for PlayStation nerds, so please enjoy.

Timestamps:

0:00:00 - Intro

00:04:44 - The GamesBeat interview

00:12:28  - Sony’s on and off shift with online games

00:24:12  - Should PlayStation release games day 1 on PC?

00:26:21   - Should Sony investigate games on other platforms?

00:32:34  - Xbox games on PlayStation

00:37:48  - Is it better for Sony to be less reliant on first party?

00:41:16   - What goes into deciding an acquisition?

00:48:38  - Studios that got away

00:50:38  - Buying Insomniac

0:53:10 - Closing studios

00:57:53  - Where does second party fit in?

01:09:54  - Growing PlayStation in China with censorship

01:13:56  - PlayStation All-Stars

01:18:21  -  PlayStation's Japanese identity

01:24:06  -  PlayStation becoming more US focused

01:31:31 -  Sucker Punch's Prophecy

01:36:01 - Santa Monica's canceled game

01:42:09 - Demon's Souls

01:48:52  - The opportunity cost of live service

01:55:45 - Reaction to Intergalactic

01:57:03 - Boomerang controller

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Dylbun

LETS FUCKIN GOOOO

Judah Bailey

HOLY FUCKING SHIT LETS GOOOOOO

AL022

YESSSSSSSS

Dennis

Whoa

Lunar Tear

Different type of late night snack.

Greg Shapiro

Just dropping bombs randomly in classic Colin fashion. Love it!

Alec Rock

AYOOOOO. That notification caught me way off guard lmao good shit, Colin.

Collin Sparling

I had to do a double take when I saw my notifications. Stoked!!!

Casey Weinmann

I was wondering why patreon was notifying me at this time of night. HELL YES!

Bryan Juarez

Wow I never thought it would happen

Digital-Bath

Amazing, looking forward to listening to this one!

Cedric S

I never thought you'd get a (former) PlayStation executive on your show. Bravo sir, I'm looking forward to listening to this interview

Waqar Uddin

I cannot wait for what will be the best interview with Shu yet. Oh my God.

Michael Hobbs

Holy fucking shit. This is dope. Congrats.

AJWhite

I like to think my write in that he read a few weeks ago kicked this off, but I'm probably just being full of myself. Can't wait to listen to it!

Pianopower

Wtf this was NOT on my bingo card

mattyboy316

This is awesome colin thank you for this interview with shuhei!!

Moi

HOLY SHIT

Shadi Haddad

COLIN YOU LEGEND! This is incredible. It's like listening to two friends reunite after so long

iDrewby

Couldn’t click that notification fast enough!

Mattveego

Fuck yes Colin thank you!

Hector Salcido

I’m so happy this happened, redemption.

Link

Awesome get Colin, congrats!

caswellow

Holy moly! What a get!

Gabriel Baker

Shuhei spending the holidays with both of his divorced dads

Marco Maluf

Yoshida san is a legend!

Deemac

Hell yeah, Shu is a real one. Glad to see you got an interview with him so quick

Eric Bolella

Colin “the hammer” Moriarty

Luke Knockton

Props for this team , great content

Link

Excellent interview, I really wish it didn’t keep me up until 3:00am though.

Robbie Agnew

Wow he did the thing! Good job Shu

Jamie Hexum

Congrats, Colin. You deserve the big gets.

Ethical mailman

I’m so excited to hear this. I’m about to begin. Shuhei is one of my all time favorite Japanese people. #JapaneseMtRushmore

Sucking Duck for Quack

What a legend. Shu is the GOAT and Congrats to Last Stand for getting him in.

Joe Perez

Awesome, Colin! 🤙

Damien Groome

Can't wait to listen to this today!

Monkey D Luffy

Colin M absolute GOAT move, can’t wait for this.

Colin Moriarty

My man really dropping one of th hypest interviews when I'm asleep🔥

Otacon_Ocelot

Hell yeah Collin best fucking podcast network ever. 👏👏👏

John

WHOAAAAAA!!! Colin’s “don’t announce until it drops” mantra is great

lazer_josh

Whaaaat?! Sick dude!

Kaleb

Getting my $5 worth hell yeah brother

IronLion44

The only shu interview I wanna hear.

Robin

Let's gooooooo

Senor Benjamin

LSM has been the best it’s ever been lately. Just started listening, great start to my work day.

Gareth H

Wow Colin! This is big! Not just because it’s Shu, but you’re asking decent questions!

MnTwinsfan92

Thanks for changing your mind on this - it is something we definitely wanted!

Noah Trujillo

It’s weird and disappointing how this interview is being cited across games media, but I think it’s just another reminder of how these petty people are part of a dying form of media anyways. Shu mentioned many times how well Colin knows the industry and complimented his questions. That had to be an awesome validation to receive, and the only one that matters.

Michael Mashpotato

Amazing job Colin! You make it extremely easy to pledge money to LSM.

Az

🐐

Frank

Thank you for this!

Brenden

Cute ass lil Japanese guy 😊

Zachary Abell

I really don’t want to sound like I want to wear Colin’s skin as a body suit or anything.. but I actually felt something when I first heard Colin and Shu’s introduction together after all these years. As a weekly Beyond listener starting in 2012, day one KF patron, and day one CLS (LSM) patron.. it was just so cool to see these two sitting down ‘together’ again after all these years. I’ve listened to the other interviews, and props to Colin as he’s clearly shown to be one of the best interviewers in the medium, even next to Greg. Great listen and congrats Colin.

Matt Wiles

Colin, just started listening, you’re point about being like an old IGN style setup; you should really do a PC show. Imagine how many new nerds you could bring over.

Christian Montes

I never comment but damn what a great interview. Happy to see you reunited with an old friend, Colin.

Bartevious

Wow. Cool shit man. Hell yea.

Billy Wright

I was listening to this on the Spotify Last Stand Media podcast feed then they apparently yeeted all the episodes from this week including Sacred+? Welp.

Jason Rose

I’ll never buy the reasoning behind TLOU online’ cancellation and that Naughty Dog underestimated the effort to support a live service game. Bullshit. There’s no way a first party studio alongside PlayStation put zero forethought into long term efforts post launch, it’s inconceivable with development at that level. There has to be another reasoning aside from Bungie just decreeing from on high that it wasn’t up to snuff. Anyway, Shuhei is wonderful to listen to and hearing him state “this is a Colin Moriarty question’ made me chuckle. Jim Ryan man, smh.

Derek Williams

Excellent interview, Colin! There’s a lot of good stuff here to digest. I think that’s something everyone can appreciate, is that you know how to conduct an interview and build relationships with your guests. You’re always asking the right questions, without applying too much pressure, in order to siphon good answers and new information we haven’t heard already from other sources. Not everyone has that level of touch to be able to navigate like that in this space, but that goes to show why Last Stand is the dominant entity that it is on Patreon. It has integrity, as well as the creative and business minds behind it to understand its audience and trust in the foundation it was built upon.

ItsShaneBailey

Excellent interview, as expected. Well done, Colin. Hoping you get Shu back for another chat. I’d love for you to ask him more about Media Molecule and their status as a first party team.

NeO JD

Great interview. Long overdue. ❤️

Trevor Myers

If/when he comes back in a few months you should ask him about that Halloween tweet from a few years ago, not all of those games have come out yet, but wasn’t he there when that tweet was sent?

Carlos

Amazing interview

Declan McIntyre

Awesome episode. Great work Colin and team!

Robbie (DatLie)

Hands down, my favorite episode you have done yet. Guys like Shu and Cerny are fascinating people and love listening to them. Great job!

PairOfShuse

This was a fun episode and a great interview.

SIR_K_Daddy

I love how excited Yoshida San was to talk with Colin. Calling out the "Colin Moriarty" questions

Powerage

Loved this conversation with Shuhei. What an awesome guy. Thanks, Colin, for coming up with great questions.

Christopher Hoff

Excellent interview. You two have good chemistry, he seemed relaxed.

Lucas Hixon

I really enjoyed this conversation! It was really great to have Shu and Colin talk with their deep knowledge of PlayStation. Super fun, and hope they talk again later in the year

UncleJyro

Absolutely agree on ~15 hour games. Don't need every game to be 35+ hours. Longer games also largely kill replayablility.

Mike Moran

That was such a cool episode. Great questions, really insightful, and Shuei is always a hoot to hear. Stuff like that and so many more great episodes is why my subscriptions is worth so much more than money to me. Well done Colin!

Colin Kolhoven

Such a fantastic interview and conversation , thank you!!

NecrumOddBoy

Colin rules! Breaking down walls and bringing the best content

ludacritz

This doesn't show up on my RSS feed. That's really annoying.

Draven E.

We need Shu x Jaffe x Moriarty!! Make it happen!!

Deutschbag

Great interview. So many insights!