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It's me, Colin. Please welcome my old friend Destin Legarie to Sacred Symbols+. While Destin appeared on Fireside Chats (RIP in Peace) way back in 2017, this is his first time on +, and I invited him at a seminal time in his life. Having opted to leave IGN at the end of last year after a long and vaunted career, our paths are actually quite similar, yet separated by about a decade. How's Destin finding his post-mainstream media life? What's content creation been like out on his own? And what does he think the future holds for both him and our industry? Plus: We talk about games, too. Indeed, most of our chat is all about PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo, and their respective paths forward in the short, mid, and long-term. How do we gauge the respective journeys these brands find themselves on? How will they interact with each other -- if at all -- moving forward? And perhaps most importantly, why does it feel like console gaming itself has a finite amount of time affixed to it? Are we on a road toward antiquity?

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Will Hahn

Good stuff! Glad Destin is here!

Fonz

Love listening to Destin!

Statistical Barista

I am so happy to see this! Two of my favorite video game commentators.

Genius but with downs

Haven't kept up too much with Destin but I used to love him back in the day on ScrewAttack. He told me off on the forum though for using the word CUNT 😭

Seth

Destin is great, him and Defining Duke were my go tos when I cared what Xbox was doing a couple years back but now I honestly couldn't care less about Xbox. I'll probably never buy an Xbox again so it's good to hear he has some awesome non Xbox interviews to check out!

Repede

Great ep love Destin have him on more

Black Detective in Dexter

I wish I was as confident about anything in life as Colin is in that Cassie Drake Uncharted game. He's so dead set certain that the 2 second clip of a female archeologist is an Uncharted game. He often speaks about it as if it's fact. I don't think this game exists. Who's making it? Why have we not seen anything about it? I just wish he would stop talking about it like it's a straight up fact.

joefray_

His certainty implies he has some insider knowledge but I agree, it is a little odd

Big titty drinker

Ah yes Destin , the console war baiter king himself. No one has sown more disingenuous standpoints , bad faith arguments and just straight up misinformation in the early 2020s than this dude. He definitely got better over time but a few years ago dude was a complete looney toon when I would watch his videos.

Kieran Scott

Another small step closer to a Colin and Greg reunion episode on Sacred symbols +

Daniel Pereira

I like Destin, but I must say, as a podcaster, he is kind of boring. He is not on the LSM level.

thesonofit

I'd be more inclined to join with Destin for 5 bucks if there were also a video version of it available. I have too many subscriptions already to bump it up to 10. This is what stands out so much for me with LSM, apart from the hosts and regulars which I all love (watching them all). The value is insanely high and I never felt bad about letting go of my 5 bucks. Same with the add based model for Netflix, insane value.

Xstar25

Would love to hear Greg on SS+, he seems so grounded and open-minded.

Gabriel Baker

Unlocked is truly dead now. No disrespect to Ryan, it’s just hard to listen to a podcast with that Michael guy on it

Black Detective in Dexter

Ehh, that ship has sailed. And Greg is a shell of his former self anyway. LSM is too good for a person like Greg Miller. I'd rather see Nick Scarpino as a guest.

Master Rahl

This Dustin guy is so bland,this was painful to listen to.

A Hind D

Huge!! Diving in now

Caleb Shelton

Shout out to Chris for shouting out Joe Satriani! One of the greats of guitar.

Garry

Great show guys love Dustin hopefully he could do a few guest appearances on defining duke.

Stewy108

A little unfamiliar with Destins work at IGN but I really enjoyed the podcast! He'd make a great guest on the Dukes or Summon Sign.

Nulsums

Destin looked a bit tired, proof that he is a father of a two year old kid.

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

Why would anyone even want to see Greg back? Especially Colin? If my best friend for years just did a 180 on me for no real reason I would never want to talk to them again. I would feel so betrayed. The stories Colin tells about how shitty those guys were to him before he left is disgusting. Colin is the definition of the best revenge is living well. Kinda Funny is a shell of its former self. Greg is a corporate shill, he's anyone's dog for a bone. Keep that garbage away from Last Stand.

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

His reasoning is sound thought. During that ad you could name every single clip and what game it is, except that one... Plus the fact that Playstation has a couple unannounced teams working on something. We will find out eventually and it will make for a good SS correction or a Colin Was Right moment.

Kieran Scott

Not to be overly rude, but I think we need to simmer down the rhetoric by a few notches. I think obviously Greg's behahvior wasn't for me, and isn't how I would handle things or what I expect out of a friend, but in business shit gets complicated, Colin's always been pretty good faith about the whole thing from what I've observed and has offered to bury the hatchet on a number of occasions. Greg gave him some shout outs more recently on the air. More broadly I think I remember Colin acknowledging that his exit absolutely created financial stress on the company. I don't know about you, but I think it's possible there may come a time when Greg contacts Colin and buries that hatchet, and I think I'd watch the hell out of a stand alone episode, I'm probably not alone.

Gonçalo Ferreira

Bungie will pay off and a lot of what is said here will simply sound silly in hindsight, judging Bungie on so little time. Look at history of releases. It’s Destiny 2 a ten year game. PlayStation invested in the future projects.

Jeff Kenney

How do I get this to show up in my Apple Podcasts app.

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

Boy you are really trying to sugar coat how bad what they did to Colin was. Bad enough that even Joe Rogan wanted to hear the story. I'm not really sure how they can bury a hatchet that has been lodged in Colin's back for this long.

Adam Martinez

In a world full of extreme takes with no nuance, I welcome his gentle & thoughtful responses. Definitely not someone with the energy of say Jaffe but I enjoyed it.

Aaron

I don’t think Colin can keep saying Micah is a huge Xbox fan when she doesn’t turn the console on lol

WhatDarrenPlays

This conversation felt a little bit dull and unfocused. I understand it's just a general catch-up, letting people know Destin is full time and getting broad sentiment on a variety of topics, but there was a feeling of not knowing what to talk about. I was also somewhat shocked to hear he doesn't have much of a content plan and is figuring things out as he goes. In 2015 that makes more sense, but now? You've had a lot of time to study what others are doing and figure out your focus before leaving the job. I think his patreon is middling and he seems a bit stressed it didn't pop off as much as he perhaps hoped. Hopefully I'm wrong about that, he does seem nice.

Joshua Brown

Destin the notorious Unlocked trophy stealer, taking it from Mitch Dyer on a technicality.

JLR

I feel bad for Colin trying to carry this person through this episode.

Brian Comstock

Greg is the furthest thing from open minded

Mama Micah

Already played Yakuza 7, Borderlands 3, and KCD2 on Xbox this year but I guess I made it all up and never even turned on the console. -Micah

UnchartedShinobi

Shout out to Destin for going on his own! Would definitely be a great addition to talk games on the network.

Fenixrisingxl21

What’s the point of asking Destin to game out the idea of the next Xbox allowing Steam on the system, if Colin’s going to immediately say ‘it makes no sense and here’s why’ right after asking? Seems more like Colin is trying to steer Destin towards his line of thinking, instead of actually trying to see of there are alternate ideas of how Steam on Xbox could work. Why not ask the question and wait for the guest’s response, instead of trying to color their response to match your opinion. Good to see Destin on the show, and can’t wait to see Colin on Save State.

Ryan

This has been driving me nuts for years lmao I’m so glad I’m not alone

Black Detective in Dexter

It wouldn't be so annoying if he didn't just assume his guests are on the same page as him. He's always like "that Uncharted game that's coming" and then whoever he's talking to looks confused and he's just like "yeah, you know the Uncharted game they revealed in 2020 with a 2 second clip in a highlight reel promotion for the console. You can't tell me that's not an Uncharted game!" Not an exact quote but that's the jist of what he always says. And after 4 plus years of not hearing anything about this game, it's getting annoying.

Ryan

I don’t want to get things misconstrued… that is absolutely most likely a very real possibility. Even without that dumb ad it’s just the obvious next step based on U4’s ending. IT JUST HASNT BEEN CONFIRMED/LEAKED/MENTIONED/ALLUDED TO lol

Bailey Callis

Wish we got a more honest and in depth answer to IGN being ideologically captured, as it is completely plain to see, and anyone with eyes can observe a sharp decline over the past 10 years, but its totally understandable why he couldn't speak more to that

Bailey Callis

Some of you guys are being so mean. Destin deserves more respect, he's an industry veteran just like Colin with vast knowledge and experience. Not everyone can deliver forced, insincere constant energy for yall's tiktok brains. Guys probably drained looking after 2 babies

Destin Legarie

Ive released an interview every week since going independent. Covered the biggest news, livestream every Sunday, did several previews, and am mid review on Shadows. Hope that clears it up

Destin Legarie

There is a video version of everything available

WhatDarrenPlays

Hey, I didn’t say you weren’t putting out content, or working hard. I just thought it was odd you weren’t exactly sure of your own focus yet, as you stated in the podcast. Regardless, I wish the best for you, as I said, you seem genuine.

Grosface

Oncologists plan and sign chemotherapy regimens for cancer patients. Radiologists read X-rays, ct scans, etc.

Beaver diva

Colin doesn't think switch 2 will be able to run returnal? Of course it could

Marco Maluf

Destin is awesome, wish him all the best always! And I think he is right about xbox future with other OS, hope it works out, its a awesome idea